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The smell of DMT

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bodymechanics

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For the first time I smelled a fresh extraction done with xylene and backsalted immediately with naptha.
The yield was great, yet has absolutely zero smell.
I thought it may be due to using citric acid instead of vinegar.
Ran a new batch using my old routine of A/B with just naptha, still with citric acid and this time it smells as expected, like honeysuckle or new sneakers.

Makes me wonder, what causes the floral odor. Why is it very strong sometimes, and not there at all with others?
 
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Loveall said:
I'm going to guess degree of oligomerization as a possible hypothesis.

I have not noticed zero smell mysel, but different batches do seem to smell a little different.
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This or a cold 😄, I’m pretty sure that when scraping it into a pile and putting it into a container will make the smell come back after a couple of days. It is a strange though the smell changes quite allot over time, so much so that I sometimes smell old containers just to get a intense whiff of it.
 
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This is the first time it’s been odorless. So strange. No odor after scraping or putting in a glass container and stirring it up.
Funny I smelled another batch that’s ultra fine whit powder to see the difference.
That went straight up my nose 😅
 
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You know it's worth noting the different solubilities of other stuff present and also the smell of deemz crystals freshly made versus the smell of cooked/vaporized deemz, completely different. I think it usually finds a floral new shoes to fresh tortilla smell after my usual stb, a/b, crystallization extractions, I've done crystallization which yield almost zero smell, and the zero smell crystals hit like the magic schoolbus with zero smell or taste, maybe the all too familiar "deemz taste/smell" is in fact not deemz at all? I've also heard people say it smells or tastes like burning plastic, again maybe contaminants?
 
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StoneyBroski said:
You know it's worth noting the different solubilities of other stuff present and also the smell of deemz crystals freshly made versus the smell of cooked/vaporized deemz, completely different. I think it usually finds a floral new shoes to fresh tortilla smell after my usual stb, a/b, crystallization extractions, I've done crystallization which yield almost zero smell, and the zero smell crystals hit like the magic schoolbus with zero smell or taste, maybe the all too familiar "deemz taste/smell" is in fact not deemz at all? I've also heard people say it smells or tastes like burning plastic, again maybe contaminants?
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Mayhaps even degradation products are partially to blame for the smell.
 
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Pure DMT presents itself with different structures since it loves to stick to itself (aggregate). That could be a reason for different smells.

The different DMT structures (from different degrees of aggregation) also change the vaporization temperature. Less aggregated DMT vaporizes at lower temperature. Lower vaporization temperatures make it easier to vaporize DMT before burning (but with good technique, a sweet spot can still be maintained even for highly aggregated DMT goo and the narrower temperature window between vaporization and burning).

The simple fact that DMT is a polymorph can explain all your observations. No need to imagine there are contaminants or oxidation (assuming oxidation is a historic mistake I believe). Contaminants can be somewhat common, expecially for beginers.

Even the most seasoned extractors are affected by polymorphism. DMT in plants could present itself with some degree of agregation. Fortunatley, an abundance of Na+ or (even better) K+ ions while extracting breaks up DMT aggregation (see salt teks like max ion).

Aggregation also affects DMT solubility (less aggregated DMT is easier to dissolve). It had long been assumed that the ionic strengh in the salt teks made it easier to move DMT into naphta from "salting out" effects in the partition coefficient. However, the abundant cations disrupt DMT aggregation, making the "loose" DMT molecules easier to dissolve in the solvent, and solubility will have a huge effect on the partition. This max ion effect on dmt aggregation is very important and went unnoticed for many years (I think).
 
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It also can depend on your plant source.. I find DMT extracts vary a lot in smell with different Acacia species.. especially comparing bark/phyllode extract. Mimosa has the new shoes smell more than Acacia IME.. which has a more creamy/floral scent overall.
 
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Anybody know whether synthesized DMT smells different than extracted? I've only ever extracted my own (MHRB, lab-grade naphtha, regular lye) and it smelled of new shoes. I have 1g of synthesized DMT (mostly a rocked chunk) and a .5g cart with synthesized DMT. The rocked chunk smells kind of chemical-like. Is the synthesizing process likely to result in a different smell than extracted?
 
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