Theory for new method of creating mescaline HCL.

[Eluna]

Okay ive been thinking lately about this.

Firstly - if you didnt already know, theres a simple way of turning hardware store HCL liquid into HCL liquid with NO impurities.

Simply putting two containers - one containing HCL water and the other containing an equal amount of distilled water, into another container and putting a lid on - leaving it for a week, what will happen is the HCL in the hcl water will gas out of the water, then go into the distilled water and what your left with is two equal amounts of HCL water (obviously at half the strength of the original HCL water). This video demonstrates exactly what i have just said:

Now this has got me thinking - i know some people "gas" their solvent to yield very very pure mescaline, however the apparatus to gas isnt easy to make/available to most people.

So, what about, using this "two containers in another container" method to gas it out of the xylene/limonene? I'm thinking that maybe the HCL will link onto the mescaline freebase and the excess gas wont have anywhere to link on so it will not be in the final product? Then just doing a distilled water wash on the xylene that contains mescaline HCL and it will simply migrate over, never having the issue of dirty sanchez or salting out gunk etc. It might take a while, but it will yield very pure mescaline, and this is just an alternative to people that want the most clean mescaline they can get, without having to use mek, acetone, ipa etc.

I havent worked out the exact process, but i havent seen this mentioned anywhere..

Thoughts?

 

[Madcap]

I get the idea. Give it a shot. I have no exp gassing, but I have seen a video of what you described with hcl. I would be concerned about leaving some goods behind in the limo. But, that could be tested easily. Good luck


FASIPA precipitation from dlimo gives very clean results.

 

[Mindlusion]

sounds like a plan, it would definitely take a while, but theoretically should work.

Also, i want to add for a higher purity mescaline, you want to wash your solvent with distilled or slightly basic water first. Before gassing, with a quick wash before even salting with dilute HCl should reveal quite a pure product.

And of course re crystallization, but I understand you are looking for easier methods of getting a purer product.

 

[Eluna]

I can't try this as its hard for me to get enough starting material - what product i do get is very cherished, lol.

If anyone else would be willing to give it a go that would be awesome

Also i was thinking it may not actually take too long because your not needing to gas so much of it, just like maybe 1 50th or less of the total hcl

 

[ouro]

Thats a very interesting idea - its actually crossed my mind before. The only problems i could think of is that 1) hcl gas might be much less soluble in your NPS than water, meaning that it wouldn't diffuse into the NPS and salt out alks. Also, 2) water from the atmosphere will dissolve into the NPS (moreso if using limonene than xylene as water is more miscible with it) stealing some of your yield. Experienced gassers will tell you to dry your NPS before gassing to prevent this loss. This could still work with a relatively high yield though - its worth a shot.

 

[Crystalito]

To complement ouro: Even if you dry your NPS, still you will "rehydrate" it with this method since apart from HCl , moisture from the original HCl solution could enter the NPS vessel.

By all means try it, after all you will be using water to pull the mescaline HCl so you will be introducing water to your system whereas original gassing i do not think that utilises water : crystals fall out and they are collected on filter paper.

You could also try using a tube filled with moisture absorbant but allowing air to pass through in order for your gas to be "drier" but i doubt this will work well with the amount of moisture coming of your original HCl solution

 

[meme]

Your gas will be very wet. This will make it impossible to directly isolate crystals.

90% IPA (isopropyl) + muriatic + molecular sieves = dry HCl (in IPA)

Prepare soln of dry HCl gas by adding muriatic to IPA and drying with molecular sieves.

Dry some extra IPA with molecular sieves; by adding lye and distilling, or by careful addition of DRY MgSO4. Add legal freebase to dry IPA and titrate (drop in slowly and stop when done) the addition of HCl (IPA). Place in freezer for ideally 72 h but at least over night, filter and clean up.

EDIT

Also, why for small amounts? M sulfate is the best salt form to isolate; sulfuric is abundant and it is insoluble in alcohol and cold water, but soluble in hot water. That is a fucking gift from god.

 

[justine]

Here is a method to produce a dry IPA/Hcl mix of very high purity and you can also use it to directly gas your xylene/toluene.

Theory.

Muriatic acid, a mixture of water and HCl, is slowly dripped into a stirred flask containing sulfuric acid. Sulfuric acid has a strong affinity for water. The sulfuric acid dehydrates the muriatic acid, absorbing water and liberating HCl(g). The liberated HCl is then bubbled through a smaller quantity of sulfuric acid to remove any trace of water vapor, and then the dry gas is absorbed in stirred, cold IPA. By weighing the IPA before and after gas absorption, the exact production of HCl can be determined. This exact amount of HCl is very useful in subsequent reactions, since stoichiometric amounts of HCl can be dosed into base/solvent mixtures, in contrast to direct gassing of such mixtures, which is a "hit or miss" and exothermic operation. The HCl/IPA mix is stable and can be stored for future use, unlike HCl/acetone mix, which quickly degrades. IPA is not hygroscopic as is acetone, another important consideration. (Bees may note that this information is in contrast to several major Hive write-ups where HCl loading into acetone and/or direct gassing is recommended.)

Source

It should allow you to get very pure mesc hcl.

 

[dg]

a simple gasser can be made in minutes using a garden sprayer
that said, salting direct from dirty np will yield impure if pretty crystals w/dirty inclusions/surfaces.
like meme said, a salt that forms in water is nice

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

sulfuric is abundant and it is insoluble in alcohol and cold water, but soluble in hot water.

in my experience mescaline citrate has very similar solubility to the sulfate

 

[justine]

a simple gasser can be made in minutes using a garden sprayer
that said, salting direct from dirty np will yield impure if pretty crystals w/dirty inclusions/surfaces.
like meme said, a salt that forms in water is nice

Nice ghetto tek, it's good to know Is it safe and reliable though ?

 

[dg]

a simple gasser can be made in minutes using a garden sprayer
that said, salting direct from dirty np will yield impure if pretty crystals w/dirty inclusions/surfaces.
like meme said, a salt that forms in water is nice

Nice ghetto tek, it's good to know Is it safe and reliable though ?

hehe
if the most basic common sense is applied
i can provide more details via pm if any interest....