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Thinking of using Diethyl Ether to pull jungle/jimjam (MHRB)

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Shrugs

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Hi all,

New member, long time lurker here.

Swim has a load of wine bottles full of spent soup that have been sitting around for months.

Swim left some naphtha in them and turn them from time to time. Thinking it couldn't hurt to try and mop up any dmt molecules still available to the naphtha before moving on to the next solvent.
So swim plans on taking out the naphtha and combining for one final freeze precipitation in next couple of days.

would really like to get some of the red waxy stuff as this was the first experience of dmt given to swim at a festival going on ten years ago now and well, you never forget your first. Plus swim feels like it is wastefull to throw it out without being sure it is completely exhausted.

It seems as though the majority of people are opting for Xylene or Toluene for the full spectrum pulls but reading up on these chemicals and the smell they give of during evaporation has swim put off. Reading that Diethyl Ether is good for the application and being able to source it, swim has decided to go that route. Swim knows about and can deal with its volatile properties so no worries there.

The Diethyl Ether is available with two different stabilisers.
1st option Ethanol and Methanol

2nd stabilizer system for Diethyl Ether is Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT), which is typically added to ethyl ether at low ppm concentrations. This compound scavenges the free radical species responsible for peroxide formation and is a very effective suppressor of peroxide formation. BHT is incompatible with methods requiring high optical purity due to strong UV absorbance resulting from the aromatic functionality of this molecule.

The Ethanol is added at higher concentrations than BHT. Due to this relatively high stabilizer concentration, the presence of ethanol significantly increases material polarity and may affect certain applications.

Above taken from spec sheet.

So swim is leaning towards Ethanol Methanol as guessing it will evaporate better. Having said that being that this is a non polar solvent that swim is looking for the part about the Ethanol significantly affecting material polarity has swim hesitating as not sure which direction the Ethanol Methanol would push the material toward, as in more polar or non polar.

Hope that all makes sense and that someone knowledgeable can weigh in so that people who aren't keen on Xylene / Toluene or are unable to source them will know what is the best type of stabiliser to get with their Diethyl Ether.

It may make no difference what so ever, which is also fine and good to know.

Thanks in advance.
Shrugs
 
Is yuremamine the red waxy substance which you wish to extract from MHRB?



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Red spice can be a mixture of plant oils, fatty acids or other plant impurities, or in the case of pulling with a more polar solvent like xylene, it can also be small amounts of a secondary alkaloid from mimosa (ok to smoke). Or it can also be some weird solvent non-volatile additives (not ok to smoke). Many people think red is necessarily the same as jungle spice, but that is not true, red can be any or all of the above, depending on solvent/chemicals used, extraction method, plant material, etc etc. IMPORTANT: spice color purity fallacy AKA is your dmt ok to smoke ? - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus




-eg
 
Quite possibly. Thanks for the link.

Swim only had one hit of the red spice, a long time ago and, being at a festival, there were a lot of other substances in the system at the time so can't really say if it was affected by the presence of Yuremamine or different from the white spice being used now.
Also the trips seem to vary ALOT even using the same spice on the same night.

The only thing swim can say is that the crystal flakey spice that came from a re-x of the white spice using Heptane definitely has a different quality to it. The visuals seem finer maybe and theres bit less of the amazing feeling body tingles that follow a hit on the white spice (STB-freeze precipitate Naphtha) .

As far as the red spice go's swim can't help thinking that Mimosa is a very deep purple before you basify and that Xylene,Toluene may just pull the DMT that he Naphtha can't reach along with some pigment.

Having said that it would be great if there were some other alkaloids in the mix. Suppose theres only one way to find out.

What do you reckon the best type of Ether to use would be?
 
Please don't use ether. It's far too flammable and has an insanely low boiling point. Also it stinks just as much as toluene or xylene (in its own way) so stealth arguments fail here entirely.

A final pull with warm naphtha after all these months will yield about as much of any remaining DMT as any other solvent would.
 
downwardsfromzero. Thanks for your concern. Other nexians with more experience than me have echoed your sentiments and encouraged me to look into limonine for full spectrum pulls.
So that is what I'm going to try next.
I was under the impression that full spectrum/jungle/jimjam could not be pulled with naphtha. Have I got this wrong?
Am aware that a larger amount of white spice can stay in solution of a given volume of naptha at a higher temperature and conversely less at lower temperatures hence freeze precipitation.
But you seem to be saying that temperature affects what is pulled aswell as how much..
 
downwardsfromzero. Interesting read, although I must confess that chromatography is not a subject I am very knowledgeable about so a lot of it went over my head. A fascinating subject though and one I will be learning more about in the future I'm sure.

benzyme. Thanks for your input. Can I just double check. THF is Tetrahydrofuran and DCM is Dichloromethane.
 
Shrugs said:
Quite possibly. Thanks for the link.

Swim only had one hit of the red spice, a long time ago and, being at a festival, there were a lot of other substances in the system at the time so can't really say if it was affected by the presence of Yuremamine or different from the white spice being used now.
Also the trips seem to vary ALOT even using the same spice on the same night.

The only thing swim can say is that the crystal flakey spice that came from a re-x of the white spice using Heptane definitely has a different quality to it. The visuals seem finer maybe and theres bit less of the amazing feeling body tingles that follow a hit on the white spice (STB-freeze precipitate Naphtha) .

As far as the red spice go's swim can't help thinking that Mimosa is a very deep purple before you basify and that Xylene,Toluene may just pull the DMT that he Naphtha can't reach along with some pigment.

Having said that it would be great if there were some other alkaloids in the mix. Suppose theres only one way to find out.

What do you reckon the best type of Ether to use would be?


The color of crystalline DMT freebase is a complex topic. DMT free-base is polymorphic. There can be both translucent and yellow crystalline forms of dimethyltryptamine, both pure.

DMT samples were prepared following extraction from Mimosa tenuiflora inner barks or by laboratory synthesis and then its crystals were recrystallized from solutions of the alkaloid using either hexane or acetonitrile. Irrespective of source, crystals originating from synthesis were predominantly white crystals obtained using crystallization from hexane, whereas yellow samples following recrystallization with acetonitrile.

There can also be translucent DMT which is not pure, as sodium hydroxide, solvent impurities, and other misc. impurities, can be translucent and not visually detected.

Yellow coloring can be a result of plant lipids, oils, Misc. contaminants, etc...though there are pure DMT crystals which are yellow.

The link below goes into greater detail

Regarding red colored extracts of Mimosa tenuiflora:
Jungle Spice
Jungle spice is one of many names that have been applied to an intriguing non-DMT alkaloid fraction that can be isolated from much of the commercially available Mimosa root bark (See V. Botanical Confustication).[1],[2],[3] In the most general terms, it is the alkaloid fraction obtained from the aqueous basic phase of an extraction by pulling with xylene or toluene after DMT ceases to be pulled by an aliphatic hydrocarbon solvent (naphtha, heptane, etc.). This product will almost always contain some N,N-DMT in addition to the more mysterious alkaloids; some extractors choose to remove the DMT in a hot naphtha wash to obtain a pure "jungle" experience, while others use the jungle/DMT mixture as it is.
There is a great deal of ambiguity surrounding jungle spice, owing to a wide array of factors. First and foremost, there appears to be a great diversity of compounds which can be isolated by extracting the aqueous basic phase with xylene or toluene.[4],[5] Which compounds are actually isolated depends on some several of the following factors: the source and botanical identity of the root bark, the conditions of cultivation/harvest, and various pH, temperature, and airflow considerations throughout the extraction process.[6],[7],[8],[9] About all that is certain about it at this point is that it contains some psychoactive material that isn't N,N-DMT.
There has been a lot of speculation going around that this compound may be yuremamine, the novel phytoindole isolated from Mimosa Tenuiflora and characterized in 2005.[10],[11],[12] Looking at the evidence, this scenario appears exceedingly unlikely based on yuremamine's known instability to base and speculated instability to heat.[13],[14] It can't yet be ruled out completely, but there remains a substantial body of evidence against this identification. Until an LC-MS of jungle spice emerges with a molecular ion at 477.1 m/z, I think it's safe to assume that yuremamine is not the red alkaloid that has been isolated by home extractors

It's reasoned above that yuremamine is not the mysterious red "jungle spice"...

yuremamine in its pure state is an amorphous purple solid, though I don't feel the purple coloring in the woody sections of Mimosa tenuiflora is related to yuremamine.

Though indole does have a connection to indigo dye, and indole can be formed by treating indigo dye with oleum....

Indole chemistry began to develop with the study of the dye indigo. Indigo can be converted to isatin and then to oxindole. Then, in 1866, Adolf von Baeyer reduced oxindole to indole using zinc dust.[4] In 1869, he proposed a formula for indole -Wikipedia

So it's always fascinated me that certain indole containing organisms will display some sort of purple to blue coloring...and while there are explanations for a good deal of these instances, the relation of these organisms which contain indole compounds to.some form of purple/blue coloring has always caught my attention...the Smenospongia aurea sponge will turn the water which it was collected in a deep purple when brought to the surface, this caught my attention, I was reminded of the blue colored bruising reaction common with psilocybin containing fungi...

(On a side note, Some basic organic chemistry study can do wonders. I recommend you learn as much chemistry as possible. If academics don't interest you as much as psychoactive compounds you can find a way to blend the two, like, you could buy a text book on organic chemistry, but also purchase a book like "A Laboratory History of Narcotics, Vol. 1 Amphetamines and Derivatives" by Jared Ledgard, this is a book regarding the synthesis of stimulant and psychedelic amphetamines, however, the first section of the book is an introduction to organic chemistry, it outlines nomenclature regarding chemicals and lab ware, it contains illustrations of laboratory equipment and details basic lab procedures, it outlines common laboratory chemicals as well as chemicals common in clandestine synthesis, it outlines sources for chemicals and precursors, it basically gives you some quick background on everything that is important to know for understanding basic organic chemistry and synthesis...I have had a copy of PIHKAL/TIHKAL by shulgin at my side every day for the last 5 years or more, I highly recommend them both as well...though the best thing you can do is take a few years of college organic )

-eg
 
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