Yup...and as we all know, criminalizing non-criminal behavior doesn't stop people from engaging in it, it merely adds more dangers and risks for people engaging in those behaviors.BananaForeskin said:
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I must confess...I don't understand this. Can you elaborate; if not on your position then as to why you don't wish to be asked why? I ask only because I find the dual clause of your post to be intriguing.kyrolima said:
i don't really know whether it should be legal/illegal , allowed/disallowed
but what i do know is that it does not matter
people do what they want or whatever they are told , eitherways in the grand scheme of things i guess humans might not even matter much , the earth looks like a speck of dust from far reaches of space and go a little further you might not see it atall
hardly matters if you do or do not , its best to just ENJOY THE MOMENT THAT IS HERE and leave the abortion to whoever it may concern
but what i do know is that it does not matter
people do what they want or whatever they are told , eitherways in the grand scheme of things i guess humans might not even matter much , the earth looks like a speck of dust from far reaches of space and go a little further you might not see it atall
hardly matters if you do or do not , its best to just ENJOY THE MOMENT THAT IS HERE and leave the abortion to whoever it may concern
Jin said:
- I completely agree with you, and would like to add that....
-Surely Abortion is something that only requires thought when it happens to you or someone close to you, a bit like death of a relative?? We can't all go round telling other people how to live their lives, and the truth is "do we really care anyhow". Do we go around to complete strangers and say sorry to have heard that your grandma,etc died the other day?-, No. So why should we be bothered if for whatever decision they make, they have an abortion?? It is their life, their choice, and NONE of our business.
-Live and let live. Let the close relatives of those who choose to abort deal with the scenario. In the end those that choose to abort have to live with their decision, and that is enough.
I think we should invade russia and kill everybody over the age of 37 and a half who lives there. But please, don't ask me why.kyrolima said:
Call me a negative git, but the amount of females I know who have completely f*cked up their lives by having kids is ridiculous. Friends, relatives etc of these girls influence them to join the club, having babies is like a trend these days (just like giving them retarded names to be original).
Abortion is fine in my eyes, but should be the absolute, I repeat, the ABSOLUTE last resort.
Hey kids! Use a condom ffs!
I can only speak for those I know. I guess I live in a land of wannabe mothers inspired by wannabe mothers inspired by........ etc.
As for the legal issue, thank god there isn't one. But I doubt it's because the government has a heart. But it's better than the old days, when you had to do it in secret, sometimes alone.
But as for being careful, seriously, that piece of lubricated latex covering your shaft could mean the difference between life and death, in more ways than one. Keep some in your wallet ffs
Abortion is fine in my eyes, but should be the absolute, I repeat, the ABSOLUTE last resort.
Hey kids! Use a condom ffs!
I can only speak for those I know. I guess I live in a land of wannabe mothers inspired by wannabe mothers inspired by........ etc.
As for the legal issue, thank god there isn't one. But I doubt it's because the government has a heart. But it's better than the old days, when you had to do it in secret, sometimes alone.
But as for being careful, seriously, that piece of lubricated latex covering your shaft could mean the difference between life and death, in more ways than one. Keep some in your wallet ffs
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polytrip said:
Don't worry, I understand you, trip... this is a problem that many overlook, and should be the government's top priority in executing right now (in addition to marijuana legalization!).
polytrip said:
Mhh, i think everybody is responsible for his actions! If someone doesn't have the responsibility to plan something like having a baby in advance and prevent any babies before the made decision- i feel so sorry for him- but it's his/her fault.
I believe the unborn is a living organism and in respect for its life one shouldn't abort!
And because people need rules i'd suggest making it illegal!
I know that it's creating a blackmarket for those kind of surgeries but in my opinion it should be illegal or punished to create life in order to destroy it.
Maybe that is too radical
but atm I feel that way.
I am a woman and i had a termination 5 months ago at 14wks. It was devastating to say the least, but it had to be done. Now, after some time, i see that if this soul hadn't come to my belly i would have prolonged a very bad situation. So... in the bigger picture, my personal view is that this soul saved me from ruining my life and the lives around me. In a bigger sense, i feel that this soul knew that it's physical life was expendable as it will some and go as we please, as we all do (i hope).
So victims of rape or familial molestation that leads to pregnancy should be forced to have the child? What about the infinitesimal chance that someone is on the pill and using a condom and the condom snaps and somehow, the .1% chance that the pill doesn't work actually happens and the woman becomes pregnant and can't support a child?kyrolima said:
What about generally if a family can't support a child; is it really better to have a child starve to death or suffer horrors throughout their life than to terminate a fetus? When abstinence-only sex-ed is the norm, many people don't know how to avoid pregnancy, as bizarre as that may sound...how dyou prepare to prevent something when you don't know how it happens?
Like any other law even this one has exceptions! the exceptions you mentioned, Snozz, are legitimate reasons to grant an abortion.
This whole topic is very emotionally charged cause there are so many cases to support both sides of the coin.
And after all it's not up to men's world.
It's the woman who has to decide.
IN my opinion women are very very influencable by scoiety and family. It's like and imperative for them to submit to the laws, not to rebell, not to do "their own" thing. Once her group has decided something is wrong or right, they change their mind in the middle of their argument.
I've seen it that often!
I know a girl who did an abortion - same case: condom exploded
and guess what - she felt ashamed about it and guilty!
In the end she (about half a year later) got a baby on purpose.
There are plenty of methods to prevent to get pregnant for example a temperature measurement which is VERY reliable! Combined with condoms i see the risk of getting involunantarily pregnant go to zero!
Thanks.
This whole topic is very emotionally charged cause there are so many cases to support both sides of the coin.
And after all it's not up to men's world.
It's the woman who has to decide.
IN my opinion women are very very influencable by scoiety and family. It's like and imperative for them to submit to the laws, not to rebell, not to do "their own" thing. Once her group has decided something is wrong or right, they change their mind in the middle of their argument.
I've seen it that often!
I know a girl who did an abortion - same case: condom exploded
and guess what - she felt ashamed about it and guilty!
In the end she (about half a year later) got a baby on purpose.
There are plenty of methods to prevent to get pregnant for example a temperature measurement which is VERY reliable! Combined with condoms i see the risk of getting involunantarily pregnant go to zero!
Thanks.
Thanks for clarifying kyro...your initial post seemed unusually hard-lined for you
Education...as with many of the ills that plague our world...is the foundation for addressing this issue, imo.
Education...as with many of the ills that plague our world...is the foundation for addressing this issue, imo.
Here's some razor blades into the hot soup: Is it really up to the woman? Who decided that? Because she carries it for 9 months makes her wholly responsible for it? Personally, I don't see how that's right. What if the man wants to have a son or daughter, but the woman wants to get rid of it? Is that really ok?
As kyro mentioned, both sides of the coin are evident here. Well... they are now.
If you push for equality, someone gets pissed off. If you have inequality, someone still gets pissed off.
As kyro mentioned, both sides of the coin are evident here. Well... they are now.
If you push for equality, someone gets pissed off. If you have inequality, someone still gets pissed off.
I think it most definately is mostly the womans choice.
There are risks involved in pregnancy/labour and it's the lady who takes the risks.
There are risks involved in pregnancy/labour and it's the lady who takes the risks.
I believe that if abortions were to be made illegal it would cause more problems and suffering than necessary.
Women have been known to resort to ghastly procedures in order to terminate a pregnancy. Often these procedures involve the insertion of wire coat hangers or knitting needles to remove a developing fetus. This can cause terrible damage to a woman and of course, if the procedure is unsuccessful, damage to a fetus which can continue to develop and remain in the womb until she gives birth. Typically this occurs in less developed countries where abortion is illegal however it has been known to occur in developed countries where abortion is legal.
These drastic measures highlights that if a woman is desperate to terminate a pregnancy, and that option is not available to her through safe medical procedures, then she may be willing to resort to harrowing solutions. Therefore, I believe that it is important to keep abortions legal, to make sure that there is a safe procedure for women to turn to, instead of opting for self-induced abortions.
Sally
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Women have been known to resort to ghastly procedures in order to terminate a pregnancy. Often these procedures involve the insertion of wire coat hangers or knitting needles to remove a developing fetus. This can cause terrible damage to a woman and of course, if the procedure is unsuccessful, damage to a fetus which can continue to develop and remain in the womb until she gives birth. Typically this occurs in less developed countries where abortion is illegal however it has been known to occur in developed countries where abortion is legal.
These drastic measures highlights that if a woman is desperate to terminate a pregnancy, and that option is not available to her through safe medical procedures, then she may be willing to resort to harrowing solutions. Therefore, I believe that it is important to keep abortions legal, to make sure that there is a safe procedure for women to turn to, instead of opting for self-induced abortions.
Sally
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kyrolima said:Like any other law even this one has exceptions! the exceptions you mentioned, Snozz, are legitimate reasons to grant an abortion.
This whole topic is very emotionally charged cause there are so many cases to support both sides of the coin.
And after all it's not up to men's world.
It's the woman who has to decide.
IN my opinion women are very very influencable by scoiety and family. It's like and imperative for them to submit to the laws, not to rebell, not to do "their own" thing. Once her group has decided something is wrong or right, they change their mind in the middle of their argument.
I've seen it that often!
I know a girl who did an abortion - same case: condom exploded
and guess what - she felt ashamed about it and guilty!
In the end she (about half a year later) got a baby on purpose.
There are plenty of methods to prevent to get pregnant for example a temperature measurement which is VERY reliable! Combined with condoms i see the risk of getting involunantarily pregnant go to zero!
Thanks.
How exactly would you propose that this law and its exceptions be enforced? Wouldn't everyone who wanted an abortion just start lying?
Many governments have decided that DMT and psychedelics are bad and amoral to use, so I guess no one should smoke DMT in those countries either. And if you're just going by your government, isn't it a little arbitrary as to what country you're born into and what "morals" you should hold? What if your country is particularly amoral in the first place?
Is it possible that if catholics in particular didn't espouse propaganda with the intention of making people feel ashamed and guilty that your friend wouldn't have felt that shame and guilt?
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