LevitatingGod
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??? That just doesn't make any sense to me ???
What do you want to say here?
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Thoughts on purity
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??? That just doesn't make any sense to me ???
What do you want to say here?
LevitatingGod
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99.9 % pure is a big difference than 100% because the 0.9 goes on as such: 9.9999999999999999-indefinitely going up in purity. We only ever assume 100% pureAum_Shanti said:
melotikaci
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You are trolling, right?LevitatingGod said:
To answer OP:
I believe there is no fixed amount of dmt enough for breakthrough, ignoring vaping technique and other technical details - for some people breakthrough dose is 25mg, for others it's 60; you may blast off on 30mg one day and on the other day 50mg may seem too mild.
Usually with good vaping technique 30-40mg should be enough for average person, but this numbers can vary quite a bit from person to person. So why don't you just start experimenting on your own?
LevitatingGod
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melotikaci said:LevitatingGod said:melotikaci said:u are trolling, right?
There is no such thing as 100 percent pure anything, so 'Pure dmt' cannot mean 100 percent pure dmt. So what does it mean? Maybe "4 nines" (99.99% pure)? Maybe not.
LevitatingGod
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melotikaci said:You are trolling, right?LevitatingGod said:
To answer OP:
I believe there is no fixed amount of dmt enough for breakthrough, ignoring vaping technique and other technical details - for some people breakthrough dose is 25mg, for others it's 60; you may blast off on 30mg one day and on the other day 50mg may seem too mild.
Usually with good vaping technique 30-40mg should be enough for average person, but this numbers can vary quite a bit from person to person. So why don't you just start experimenting on your own?
I really am not trolling. Purity is a matter of what is calculable. :thumb_up:
This is nonsense.LevitatingGod said:melotikaci said:You are trolling, right?LevitatingGod said:
To answer OP:
I believe there is no fixed amount of dmt enough for breakthrough, ignoring vaping technique and other technical details - for some people breakthrough dose is 25mg, for others it's 60; you may blast off on 30mg one day and on the other day 50mg may seem too mild.
Usually with good vaping technique 30-40mg should be enough for average person, but this numbers can vary quite a bit from person to person. So why don't you just start experimenting on your own?
I really am not trolling. Purity is a matter of what is calculable. :thumb_up:
Please stop.
LevitatingGod
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SnozzleBerry said:This is nonsense.LevitatingGod said:melotikaci said:You are trolling, right?LevitatingGod said:
To answer OP:
I believe there is no fixed amount of dmt enough for breakthrough, ignoring vaping technique and other technical details - for some people breakthrough dose is 25mg, for others it's 60; you may blast off on 30mg one day and on the other day 50mg may seem too mild.
Usually with good vaping technique 30-40mg should be enough for average person, but this numbers can vary quite a bit from person to person. So why don't you just start experimenting on your own?
I really am not trolling. Purity is a matter of what is calculable. :thumb_up:
Please stop.
I am sorry. Was not trying to be bothersome but rather distinguish the evidence that even on the most advanced testing agencies, oxygen is listed as an impurity in parts per million whilst trying to determine what is referred to as "The Absolute Purity."
Nines Purity % Total Parts Matrix ppm Impurity ppm
1N 90% 1,000,000 900,000 100,000
2N 99% 1,000,000 990,000 10,000
3N 99.9%. 1,000,000 999,000. 1,000
4N 99.99%. 1,000,000 999,900. 100
5N 99.999%. 1,000,000 999,990 10
6N 99.9999% 1,000,000 999,999 1
7N 99.99999% 1,000,000 999,999.9 0.1
- 100% 1,000,000 1,000,000 0 -The Absolute Purity-
I apologize if I came off seemingly trolling :/
I really just wanted to exemplify that dmt can forever be purified, even if it's beyond what we can calculate, that doesn't make it 100% pure. Similarly, a neutron is actually not a neutral charge, but rather a justification because the charge is so small that we just established it as a 'neutron' / neutral charge.
I really am sorry though, my intent was to show that the 'amount needed to break through' is entirely dependent on the state of being and the purity involved, alike.
Much Love, Light, and Respect to Each and All of You.
Your assertions don't match actual real-world application and don't actually add anything top a pragmatic discussion about DMT dosage, imo. I doubt you could reliably differentiate between 95% and 99% pure DMT in a double-blind placebo-controlled test. Heck, I doubt you could differentiate if you let someone pack your GVG with a variety of DMT in a basic blind experiment (we've already had members do just that). The assertion that there's any noticeable difference between 99% and 99.999% pure DMT in the actual context of smoking/vaping is absurd.
LevitatingGod
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SnozzleBerry said:
Interesting perspective. I still know that the higher the purity ingested, the more likely you are to envelop into a stronger experience. If this were not true, one could smoke say 85% pure dmt and achieve the same effect as 90% but that isn't the case because the higher the content of purity, the more heightened experience, if you will. Even if we only notice a difference between substantially different levels of purity, there is still always a difference in purifiying it to be a bit better, but hey maybe I am just a nut for quality and purity a bit more than the average person. I do not like my dmt vapor to have taste or smell so that tells me I already purify it(by particular recrystalization techniques) to a point that most people do not. However, this is all a matter of perspective of the subject and opinion / preference. To each it's own.
Lastly and most importantly on the subject of importance of purity/quality overall.. My significant other didn't like dmt because of the "bad taste and smell" and I see many people talk about dmt "tasting like plastic"..which needs to be confronted as the misinformation that it is (much like how neurosoup on YouTube promoted dmt being horrid on the lungs and throat and came with an awful taste and smell so thus disliked it entirely) ...so then the quest to make a product to prove to my significant other that the smell and taste was in fact not dmt, began. After all I learned the synthesis just for her birthday because she was very curious as to how the experience would be. After achieving and proving it, my significant other acknowledged it in fact as tasteless and odorless by smelling the exhaled and run off vapor time in and again and it having no scent, & no feeling of heavy body load either. It is tasteless odorless vapor that makes her feel as if she didn't smoke anything then...BOOM... Thereby, she now likes dmt so much she loves it. All the while the only difference in my purity then and now was standard freeze precip / slow evap to now doing transparent shard-seeking crystallizations. So the overall difference in purity isn't going to be much from when she didn't like it but since I did go for the best I could, she recognizes a difference, as do I, and that made her realize dmt is not gross. So in terms of seeking higher purity always, I am a yes. Like I said, to each its own. Much Love
Aum_Shanti
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I respect that this is your POV, but from my POV this is about the same as people buying special very expensive copper cables having 0.00001% less oxygen in them, because they think they sound better...
From a scientific POV it certainly doesn't make any sense.
But I can see, that e.g. one could well argument on another level, that e.g. the sublime vibration of the DMT crystal is stronger, the purer it is, and so on...
It's a matter of POV of your truth.
It would certainly be interesting if it could hold against a blind test.
Regarding the awful taste when smoked:
IMHO this is mostly depending on your smoking tek. If it's too harsh, too smelly, you have too much heat.
Properly vaporized it isn't harsh at all IMHO and I'm a non smoker...
From a scientific POV it certainly doesn't make any sense.
But I can see, that e.g. one could well argument on another level, that e.g. the sublime vibration of the DMT crystal is stronger, the purer it is, and so on...
It's a matter of POV of your truth.
It would certainly be interesting if it could hold against a blind test.
Regarding the awful taste when smoked:
IMHO this is mostly depending on your smoking tek. If it's too harsh, too smelly, you have too much heat.
Properly vaporized it isn't harsh at all IMHO and I'm a non smoker...
Let's put this into a test, if you are interested.. Here is an example of a double blind protocol:
I'd be very curious to know the results
My hypothesis is that people wont be able to tell appart purity of DMT by subjective effects in, for example, anything like a 100% vs 90%, or 100% vs 85%.. Maybe once it gets to 100% vs 50%, the difference would be obvious in the potency of effects, but not in quality of effects, or in other words, if the doses were adjusted (person consuming 30mg of 100% sample vs consuming 60mg of 50% sample), then they neither would notice the difference.
I think expectations/self-suggestion, set and setting, and other factors such as method of smoking, duration of inhalation etc will play a far bigger role than purity could.
Only icehouse has done the double blind test with red vs yellow vs white dmt and he could not tell the difference. Would be nice if other people would do the same.
I'd be very curious to know the results
My hypothesis is that people wont be able to tell appart purity of DMT by subjective effects in, for example, anything like a 100% vs 90%, or 100% vs 85%.. Maybe once it gets to 100% vs 50%, the difference would be obvious in the potency of effects, but not in quality of effects, or in other words, if the doses were adjusted (person consuming 30mg of 100% sample vs consuming 60mg of 50% sample), then they neither would notice the difference.
I think expectations/self-suggestion, set and setting, and other factors such as method of smoking, duration of inhalation etc will play a far bigger role than purity could.
Only icehouse has done the double blind test with red vs yellow vs white dmt and he could not tell the difference. Would be nice if other people would do the same.
LevitatingGod
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Aum_Shanti said:
She and I verify it would be easily distinguishable, almostly laughably so, which quality was which when it comes down to just how they taste alone. If one were to grow crystal and shave the transparent shards, they'd see that there was and evident difference in smoking a transparent crystalline grade than one that has yellow hue or white hue due to oxidants, poor evap/recrystallizing/drying processes, fats/other alkaloids or anything that would cause coloration. I know it's polymorphic in its purer states but when it loses all color I have found, IME and my partners, it to be the easiest to endeavor. One grade I feel as if I don't inhale anything and then it comes on out of nowhere and the other I taste a quick little taste and it has a slight odor. My old quality used to have very pungent odors that would make a room smell and honestly it wasn't appealing to smell that during a trip. The hurting of the throat, I agree, can be from smoking technique as well.
Also, I do recall the taste for her and I being something that made us uncomfortable with using dmt in general. When tuning to high frequency, stimulated from smoking dmt, I prefer the first thoughts to be that of comfortable ones if they generate or none at all, and having a tasteless odorless product made going into an experience in still silence much more of w viable option IME and hers.
Oh yeah, the transparent grades burn clean off of glass...I have used this pipe for about 60 trips and it is very clean for such use.
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But then you aren't taking in account the main issue here: self-suggestion.
If you know something to be purer, then you will have expectations that it is a different experience, which can alter the experience even if it isnt related to the substance purity. Therefore you can't conclude safely from your experiments that purity affects the experience.
If you taste the difference, then it won't be a blind test. If you want a blind test then you need to mask that taste. This would mean for example using some sort of substance that would give you a masking taste (e.g. dissolving it in some strong tasting herb before vaping)
If you know something to be purer, then you will have expectations that it is a different experience, which can alter the experience even if it isnt related to the substance purity. Therefore you can't conclude safely from your experiments that purity affects the experience.
If you taste the difference, then it won't be a blind test. If you want a blind test then you need to mask that taste. This would mean for example using some sort of substance that would give you a masking taste (e.g. dissolving it in some strong tasting herb before vaping)
LevitatingGod
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I see what you're getting at but I think disguising the taste of the lower grade to see if people think it's as good as higher tasteless grade is about as useful as knowing lower grade, if tasteless, would be similar to higher grade.endlessness said:
I dont think I understand what you mean, can you please explain a bit more?
You seem confused...LevitatingGod said:
Endlessness' point is that if you wanted to test your assertion that your "tasteless" DMT is experientially stronger than other DMT (something that seems dubious to many experienced DMT users), in order to actually confirm that it is not your bias leading you to this conclusion, you would need to mask the taste of both the DMT you claim to be tasteless as well as the DMT you are comparing it to, otherwise your confirmation bias is still a confounding variable. Capisce?
LevitatingGod
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SnozzleBerry said:
I'm actually not confused whatsoever, I understand exactly what you guys mean. As far as experientially stronger, I don't know how that's calculable but as far as experientially better overall, that's comfort and I know many people that would prefer tasteless out of sheer comfort of smoking the dmt.
I am stating that higher grade in of itself without any masking is easier to smoke due to its features like being tasteless and being more parts dmt(higher purity). Yes, disguising both higher and lower grade would make it a bit confusing on which was which especially if they both had taste and smell or both had no taste and no smell. I do understand one can have very different or similar experiences using completely different qualities of dmt. It's based upon so many variables and the user that is partaking in the experience itself. For example, swim did dmt and he had a terrifying trip and was then ripped into blasting off but he "couldn't make it through" on a .02gram of lower grade fluff and he said he had several thoughts going during the come up and it came on very fast and was a heavy heavy dense body load. However, when swim was attempting to blast off on a 0.02g of higher grade crystal, he not only could blast off straight through but he couldn't help but blast straight through because he said "he could not feel anything but calmness inside of him" and the onset was much more gradual and recognizable (easier to recall) with no "discomforting body load." What I thought was the most important thing he underlined in his experience was that the higher grade made him more comfortable to endure the experience itself because he had a lesser body load due to no oils or anything being vaporized with the dmt. This was not somebody who knowingly was testing the dmt for comparison but rather explaining his experiences with each time he had used dmt. I could definitely use lower grade if it had tasteless features that higher grade has. I agree with many people I've experimented with, the experience is easier to deal with when there's no strange flavor the the vapor. Some like the taste they say, though. To each it's own.
The anecdote you provided presents exactly the problems endlessness already cited.
As an aside...have you actually had your DMT analyzed?
Also, when are you going to share your crystal growing method?
As an aside...have you actually had your DMT analyzed?
Also, when are you going to share your crystal growing method?
LevitatingGod
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I want to but have not yet.SnozzleBerry said:
I am preparing the whole technique in my notes and then I am going to post it. Where should I post it so it's accessible to everyone? I wanted to get it on with the other techniques on wiki.
Post it to your thread that's about growing a massive crystal 
