Three fatalities from ayahuasca

[bk2492]

"There were 28 cases in the series who required endotracheal intubation (5%). Four cases were reported to have had a cardiac arrest and 7 a respiratory arrest. Twelve cases had a seizure. Reports of exposures called to poison centers appeared to increase during this period based on annual estimates. Three fatalities were reported." (Abstract)

"Finally, this review did not have specific drug testing that confirmed use of ayahuasca and ruled out the involvement of other drugs or medications." (Discussion)

Ayahuasca Exposure: Descriptive Analysis of Calls to US Poison Control Centers from 2005 to 2015. Heise, C. W., & Brooks, D. E. 2017. Journal of medical toxicology : official journal of the American College of Medical Toxicology, 13(3), 245–248. doi:10.1007/s13181-016-0593-1

 

[northape]

Nothing new here. We're as far removed from a wild human as our domesticated animals are from their wild counterparts.

Add to it depleted soil, modern viruses, antibiotic-resistant bacteria, lack of education, and a general malaise of the masses.
How many are truly healthy? And what does it even mean for a modern human?
We save children that would have died in a natural birth, and they continue to pass genes forward.
Natural selection is dead, and humans have been playing god for a while now. Nothing new at all.

I sometimes imagine how it would have felt to drink aya a few thousand years ago in a clean world, without any educational brainwashing;
just connecting to nature and the planet. We are totally sick and crazy. Nature likes balance, and she's okay with killing.
Death is an important part of life. These kinds of news are shocking only to modern humans.

 

[Varallo]

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[northape]

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Ayahuasca Exposure: Descriptive Analysis of Calls to US Poison Control Centers from 2005 to 2015 - PubMed

 

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[Transform]

I linked to that site on purpose. It's much better than the PubMed link.

Misrepresenting links is a bad look. You'd be better off pointing it out explicitly beforehand.

 

[Jamie01]

If trying to save people born with genetic mutations etc that would otherwise just die or suffer, is playing god…then what does that say about god?

I agree we do these things, I am just not so convinced about the meaning of it…or that it involves god at all.

Fire was probly pretty frightening the first time a village burnt down etc. At what point have we gone so far that we are outside of gods plan?

Saber-toothed tigers were suffering from crippling auto immune diseases that effect humans today long before humans were doing any of this.

Did god just do a shitty job?

 

[Voidmatrix]

We save children that would have died in a natural birth, and they continue to pass genes forward.
Natural selection is dead, and humans have been playing god for a while now. Nothing new at all.

Or, what we humans are doing is also part of nature. We're still animals also afterall.

I sometimes imagine how it would have felt to drink aya a few thousand years ago in a clean world, without any educational brainwashing;
just connecting to nature and the planet. We are totally sick and crazy. Nature likes balance, and she's okay with killing.

Education is bad? It's helping us communicate with this topic right now. Should we throw the baby out with the bathwater?

We've always been sick and crazy, the flavor just shifts. It's not like we had any better handle on things then than we do now.

humans have been playing god for a while now.

That's what we may like to think in our arrogance as a species, but I don't think we've been "playing god."

One love

 

[northape]

@Jamie01 & @Voidmatrix, I both agree and disagree with you. I see where you're coming from.

However, civilization isn't all that good. Yeah, we'd lose a lot of modern toys, but are they even needed?
I'd rather live a simple life close to nature. If I didn't make it at birth, that would just be my luck and genes.
Otherwise, I'd most likely live a good and healthy life. The modern narrative about our ancestors having a 30-year lifespan is a pure lie.
Why look 2,000 years ago? Look 12,000 years ago and more. Anyone can see that people lived long and productive lives long before any agriculture.

Education is a double-edged sword: it creates just as much bias as it does knowledge. I won't even start about wisdom...
Yes, we are animals, and our behavior is natural. So, any reduction in population from nature's side is natural, too.

This notion that we are at the peak of progress and that things have always been like this is arrogance. It's a self-serving idea.
We are on a self-destruction spiral, and no amount of hiding from it is going to help.

Those are just my views on things. It would be strange if anyone actually agreed with them. We all know best.

Peace

 

[northape]

Sounds a bit passive-aggressive, sorry. It's just that we create so many excuses and do nothing at all.
I lost hope in this society or in humans a long time ago. Maybe someday that's going to change, but I see no light at the end right now.

Perhaps my line of thought is easier to understand, considering this emotional bias.

 

[Jamie01]

I lean towards the idea that the worlds always been fairly shifty. I have a bias towards Gnosticism though…

 

[Voidmatrix]

Why look 2,000 years ago? Look 12,000 years ago and more. Anyone can see that people lived long and productive lives long before any agriculture.

Debatable.

We also weren't there so most comparisons are moot.

Yes, we are animals, and our behavior is natural. So, any reduction in population from nature's side is natural, too

But it's in our nature to augment that to a degree...

However, civilization isn't all that good. Yeah, we'd lose a lot of modern toys, but are they even needed?

This helps ensure our species survival. That's what species do. Toys aside, a lot of technology, like agriculture, helps larger populations live together in places that are viable to live in.

Otherwise, I'd most likely live a good and healthy life.

t's a self-serving idea.

Isn't your perspective self serving since there are a lot of perspectives not considered here.

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Sounds a bit passive-aggressive, sorry. It's just that we create so many excuses and do nothing at all.
I lost hope in this society or in humans a long time ago. Maybe someday that's going to change, but I see no light at the end right now.

Perhaps my line of thought is easier to understand, considering this emotional bias.

Yeah, it's hard to move forward when we don't see eye to eye and can't because most can't think outside the environment that influences their thinking.



One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Ps, I've lost a lot of that same faith myself @northape

One love

 

[northape]

Once again, it would be stupid to disagree. I know very well that all my thinking is flawed.
Still, this BS creates my pictures, and I've been trying to get on a brighter side of things for years.
I can't say that the world's situation helps much on my journey. The social environment around is quite dull, with lots of robots.
People are too easy to manipulate, and this game has been going on from times immemorial.
If I were left to myself like an animal and not steered towards society's goals, my life would be much more bearable.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Well now I feel bad for my responses.

Sending you love, @northape

One love

 

[northape]

Well now I feel bad for my responses.

Sending you love, @northape

One love

Thanks

Don't be, net communication has its limits.
We do our best

 

[Voidmatrix]

To reciprocate your vulnerability, ya boy is angry. While people tend to see me as compassionate, approachable, and amicable, I'm f*ckin angry beneath the surface. And it's the philosophically predicated righteous anger... which i have conflicting feelings about, but that being said, it extends everywhere.

One love

 

[northape]

To reciprocate your vulnerability, ya boy is angry. While people tend to see me as compassionate, approachable, and amicable, I'm f*ckin angry beneath the surface. And it's the philosophically predicated righteous anger... which i have conflicting feelings about, but that being said, it extends everywhere.

One love

Good, anger is like fire. It's one hell of a strong energy. You know about it, so put it to good use.
One can change the world through anger. Tibetans created wrathful deities just to harness this energy spring.

 

[northape]

Compassionate anger is unstoppable