Three fatalities from ayahuasca

[Voidmatrix]

Good, anger is like fire. It's one hell of a strong energy. You know about it, so put it to good use.
One can change the world through anger. Tibetans created wrathful deities just to harness this energy spring.

Yeah, like I said, it's coming out. Even here. I try to use it for good

One love

 

[dithyramb]

God did a shitty job? According to which standards? There was this guy posting a lot of content on 5 MeO DMT, don't recall his name now. I found his ideas intriguing, up to the point where he started advocating humans redesigning reality in its totality in a way that there is no pain. For example tigers would eat artificial meat. From my point of view, apart from being very disappointed to hear such an out of touch understanding about "God's universe" from a person who is all about studying the experiences of the "God molecule," it also highlights this really off and dangerous leaning in a lot of people, including those holding great power, in modern society.

As of late modern civilization looks a lot like a raging class war to me. In that sense, there is no unified vision/philosophy/goal. What is attractive to me about archaic small scale tribal society is that at the very least there is a shared vision and a shared life. But of course it's pointless to daydream about such a life. We are what are, I am what I am.

 

[Here&Now]

There was this guy posting a lot of content on 5 MeO DMT, don't recall his name now.

I talk about 5-MeO-DMT a lot here, but I can't imagine you mean me. I've never expressed thoughts of manipulating reality such that I'd turn tigers into vegans or artificial meat-eaters, lol. That does seem like a goofy twisting of the insights he gained with the molecule.

In my opinion, after seeing what it has to show you, it'd be ideal to internalize the notion of selfless service, since that's now been revealed to be a fundamental truth.

 

[dithyramb]

Oh no, it's definitely not you. I wouldn't talk about someone on the Nexus like that anyways. it was someone posting on YouTube.

 

[northape]

In my opinion, after seeing what it has to show you, it'd be ideal to internalize the notion of selfless service, since that's now been revealed to be a fundamental truth.

 

[Jamie01]

I think it was pretty clear what I was referring to when I asked the question “did god do a shitty job.

Dithyramb your taking what I said out of context to make a different point. Nowhere did I suggest that we just go all out and try to redesign everything.

My point was referring to a time before humans had any tech. Did you read my post?

 

[Here&Now]

Oh no, it's definitely not you. I wouldn't talk about someone on the Nexus like that anyways. it was someone posting on YouTube.

Ohh, you probably mean a content creator named Leo Gura. He's a bald fella who makes very long videos that sometimes include unorthodox opinions about the 5-MeO-DMT experience. I find a lot of his stuff pretty distasteful myself. It's interesting how people can have qualitatively similar experiences and then veer off in totally different lines of interpretation. I guess it's just part of the variety of life.

 

[dithyramb]

Jamie, I wasn't referring to you or your post in its entirety. Just took that sentence and wanted to highlight a cultural phenomenon that it reminded me of. I wrote who the idea of redesigning reality came from. But to be honest, I am not clear about what you meant with "did God do a shitty job?" I apologize if it is something obvious to other people, I am quite a neurodivergent.

 

[dithyramb]

@Here&Now2, yeah I find Leo Gura distasteful also. Just looked it up, I was referring to Andrés Goméz.

 

[Here&Now]

@Here&Now2, yeah I find Leo Gura distasteful also. Just looked it up, I was referring to Andrés Goméz.

Ah ok, thanks. I'll have to check him out. Though I'm guessing I may not like what I see based on your description, lol.

 

[Jamie01]

my point was the world already had its flaws(or maybe that’s too biased a term still) before we screwed with it, and that it brings me to question the nature of “god”..That is all. I don’t have answers just questions.

 

[Jamie01]

Leo isn’t worth checking out lol. Isn’t worth the time

 

[northape]

it brings me to question the nature of “god”

God is a human construct. While there appears to be a governing force behind everything, it's far from human.
For me, God represents ultimate reality - spacelike, empty, and radiant, like a clear, sunlit sky.

 

[dithyramb]

@jamie I see. Well, things that we see as flaws cannot be eliminated from existence imv. You know how the ancient mystical teaching goes. This reality is an illusion. There is no me, no you, no saber toothed tiger. İt's all one phenomenon. From that perspective, sickness and death of parts of the interconnected whole/web cannot be a flaw.

At the same time, humans are the pinnacle of individuation, and somehow it seems that the life/existence of a single human is more important than that of other living or non living things. But hey, places of mass killing, where people suffer unimaginably and are killed at the blink of an eye still exist in this modern society.

I believe in basic human values, like the dignity and sanctity of life, and I think in order to reach a society where such values rule requires a consciousness not identical to that of mainstream modern society.

 

[Jamie01]

But why do instances of immeasurable suffering like mass murder, genocide etc exist in our world?

Again I don’t know why. That leaves me in a state of chronic suspicion. I get non duality but still I am here asking why?

I get it that god is a human construct. But I think there’s something. Is there only one something? If not, do they all care the same for us?

What is a god? Can they be all knowing?

I have my own ideas based on tripping and tbh they are far out and sound totally crazy so I’m never convinced, and forever suspicious.

 

[northape]

Are we becoming God? Or is God just a human idea?

I’ve been thinking hard about evolution — not just biological but by will. Imagine reengineering ourselves into superhumans: flying with nano-powered suits or even better, upgrading our own biology for jet speed, super intelligence, energy efficiency, near immortality. We’d be masters of motion...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

I like this story and where it points to...

 

[dithyramb]

@jamie My own journey at the least made me completely do away with classic religion. İt can be used as a convenient outfit for true spiritual wisdom, but one has to have the awareness that the common understanding and teaching is BS, and that religious culture is a continuum of thousands of years, and our "religion" is more about recent history and politics than anything else... İf one sees like me

Beyond that, I have no doubt it's an unimaginably crazy spiritual reality that we live in. I just try to do my best in this life, like taking care of my daughter and my work. But I would be open to hear what your experiences pointed at for you. I wouldn't judge any far out things at all, and it appears you have the discernment capacities to not embrace everything at face value.

You have great questions. There are some common answers that are mentioned around. But we have to really know what we are talking about, and not just parrot what we hear.

 

[Audiwho]

But why do instances of immeasurable suffering like mass murder, genocide etc exist in our world?

Again I don’t know why. That leaves me in a state of chronic suspicion. I get non duality but still I am here asking why?

I get it that god is a human construct. But I think there’s something. Is there only one something? If not, do they all care the same for us?

What is a god? Can they be all knowing?

I have my own ideas based on tripping and tbh they are far out and sound totally crazy so I’m never convinced, and forever suspicious.

To get rid of a disease somebody has to find the disease in order to heal it. This can be done through make the disease disappear or to change it to something good.
How do you like the idea of genocides being a disease of society or bad regimes? Society grew bigger and more complex making it vulnerable to dangerous outcomings.
If genocides are getting less we are on a positive way. if we are trying to cure this circumstances with more horrible practions we are on a bad way.
I'm not really surprised that you have more questions then before. For example trying to solve complex natural structures is possible but if only metaphysical instruments/concepts are used the answers will be limited resulting in more questions. Maybe one reason why we have so many sciences. And another reason why nobody tries to do a calculation by using grammar.

God can give you reason to decide between good and bad and if you just started at some point in your life to see bad things in the world this can tell you a lot about
yourself as a human being as we all are or about a civilization we all live in.

Without reading the article it is common sense to inform themself if taking a drug and and to really know about what drug to not take together.

 

[Jamie01]

My point a response to the idea of god being accepted without explaining the whys of god. I don’t think you really touched on it either.

You mentioned god but it’s not defined. Why does god need humans to suffer? For what? Is it to learn? If so god can’t be all knowing etc or it wouldn’t need us to suffer for it’s experiments.

I’m not in dispute about the nature of good and evil. People do crazy stuff because they believe it’s gods will.

I’m not saying I don’t believe in god..or something like it. I’m questioning it’s motives if it’s really all powerful etc..

 

[Here&Now]

My point a response to the idea of god being accepted without explaining the whys of god. I don’t think you really touched on it either.

You mentioned god but it’s not defined. Why does god need humans to suffer? For what? Is it to learn? If so god can’t be all knowing etc or it wouldn’t need us to suffer for it’s experiments.

I’m not in dispute about the nature of good and evil. People do crazy stuff because they believe it’s gods will.

I’m not saying I don’t believe in god..or something like it. I’m questioning it’s motives if it’s really all powerful etc..

I don't know that I personally view reality to be this way, but I always found this metaphor to be an interesting potential explanation for why a perfect god would allow seemingly evil events to occur.

"Imagine life as a grand tapestry woven by a master artisan. From our limited vantage point, we see only the underside—threads tangled, loose, and seemingly chaotic, reflecting the pain, suffering, and evil we experience. Yet, from the artisan’s perspective, the tapestry’s upper side reveals a magnificent and harmonious design, where every thread—light and dark alike—contributes to a greater beauty and purpose beyond our understanding. Though we cannot yet grasp the full pattern, we trust that what appears as disorder now will one day be unveiled as part of a perfect and meaningful whole."