to what do psychonauts ultimately succumb?

[trancenut]

Intersting statistics. What I would like to know is the thinking behind them.

That is to say, what were the personal underlying beliefs behind the people involved?

Ever heard of the "Pygmalion Effect"? Basaically it says that if you believe in something and accompany that belief with strong/powerful emotion, it comes true. I remember reading Dr. Leonard Orr (he of rebirthing) commenting that our mind is made up of a thinker and a prover. Whatever the thinker thinks, the prover proves. Don't think so? Well, if that's what you think .........!!!

There are cases where cancer patients have been told by their oncologist that their cancer illness is terminal. Those that just gave up and accepted it were dead within the alloted (and believed) time. Those that didn't, or in some cases just said "&%$@ it! I'm going to just live - however long that may be - ) ended up living longer than the so called medical experts predicted and in some cases the cancer was found to be in total remission.

Make of this what you will. Question what I say. Ask for references.

If my opinions are not correct, then I ask - please lets start a debate and put forward counter arguments or positions.

My personal opinion is the power of belief - among other resources our minds have access to - can overcome quite a lot of so called external "facts".

Please reply with your questions and I will try and answer them. If I can't, then I will have learned something and will greatly appreciate the lesson.

Peace, love, understanding and positive and progressive growth.

trancenut

 

[clouds]

Extracted from "La Vida de Maria Sabina" - Álvaro Estrada

Wasson, su familia y sus amigos se fueron y no volvieron más. Hace años que no los he vuelto a ver; pero sé que su esposa falleció. Solamente Wasson regresó una vez no hace muchos años. La última vez que lo vi me dijo: - Maria Sabina, tú y yo aún viviremos por muchos años.

"Wasson, his family and his friends went and never returned. For years I did not see him, but I know that his wife died. Wasson returned only once, not many years ago. The last time I saw him he said: - Maria Sabina, you and I will still live for many years."

MSabina (1888-1985)
Wasson (1898-1986)


R. Gordon Wasson knew.

 

[jamie]

Id be willing to bet that most of these medicines like ayahuasca and iboga can actaully help treat cancer..lots of people go to peru and do extensive ayahausca sessions along with diet and come back to find their cancer is gone..

Most of my familyhas died of cancer and none of them took psychedelics..leary and hoffman lived to be super old men..shulgin seems fine..look at all these 90 year old amazonian curranderos..

WHat about all the others who ae fine?..Raetsch, Ott, Kathlene Harrison, Grov, Metzner, Ralph Abraham, Dennis Mckenna etc..

 

[jbark]

Fractal enchantment wrote:

WHat about all the others who ae fine?..Raetsch, Ott, Kathlene Harrison, Grov, Metzner, Ralph Abraham, Dennis Mckenna etc..

They're not dead yet - I guess we'll see!

Any others with cause of death? Maybe this thread will ultimately just be a compilation of the causes of death of well known psychedelic luminaries.

That was the original intention!

JBArk

 

[polytrip]

Point remains that if you gather a list of people who took psychedelics and who died of an unnatural cause, then drawing a conclusion about any relationship between the psychedelics intake and dying of an unnatural cause is statistically flawed because you've been selecting for unnatural deaths.

If you gather a list of people who died an unnatural death and who exercised on a daily basis, then it will look like exercising can be linked to cancer, heartfailure, etc.