Total Awakening

[gibran2]

...focus on THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST. HAVE ANY OF YOU EXPERIENCED A TRUE AWAKENING?

I had an experience (which I’ve posted about at least several times), where I became aware that what I ordinarily call reality is a dream. I also realized that once fully awake, there is no returning to the dream – at least not this particular dream. I wasn’t ready for that, and so I willed myself back to sleep.

I don’t believe that a living human being can have a true awakening and live to tell about it.

 

[Ez]

I had a spiritual awakening of a profound nature as I would imagine that most are. I wasn't shown that I was god, but that god is within each of us. I talked to god or my higher self for what felt like hours. It was an amazingly beautiful, yet difficult journey. Had I known the repercussions of my actions I may not have gone through with it in the first place, but I am glad that I did. I feel forever changed by this incident and have made a concious effort to change my life. It has been a very drammatic change involving giving away my personal possessions and taking a journey, which will be leading me to central america in the very near future. I think the greates lesson of my awakening was love as well.

 

[Doodazzle]

"God smoking god to experience god". That sounds familiar...like I've heard, thought, or read it before. I like it....

Of course the post directly after that was citta playing the grinch--great stuff, everybody.


Descreet distict isolated individuals? That's what science believed a hundred years ago, right? Still, to each there own. We can all be seperate if we wanna! Skeptiscism is cool too, especially if one takes it to the logical extent of being likewise skeptical of skepticism itself. Personally I value very much the skeptics among us. RAW being one of my most beloved writers, McKenna being largely materialistic, Lovecraft as well--love all you guys, but I'll just be a mystic thank you very much.


About awakenings: My life has been an endless series of false awakenings, it seems. Constantly awakening into another dream, occassionally experiencing various levels of lucidity, the occassional glimmer of conscious, ensouled, connected life. But it's damned good sometimes, don't read this as a bummer. To come fully awake just may be impossible to achieve for any great length of time--the zombies just keep dragging you back down somnambulance. Well, the bodisattvas claim to avoid being dragged down by us. I dunno.

Just a thought--all of humanity awakens at the same time, or at least a high enough a percentage of the populace all together attains a certain high degree of lucidity--at such a point perhaps we could truly join the galactic society.

 

[Agave]

The awakening is the easy part, then the heavy lifting begins. Practice, practice, practice.

 

[acacian]

STOP TRYING TO DERAIL THE POST, CITTA. You made it clear of what you believe in your first post. I responded with everyone has an individual experience. I am not interested in being right or wrong. I am simply asking for the members of this forum to post their Awakening experiences, not to debate on what *I* believe, which was never the point. And Citta,your opinion is valued, but by telling another they are wrong, you weaken your own arguments by a long a shot. Just a thought to sit on. I strongly urge everyone to disregard what has been said, and focus on THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST. HAVE ANY OF YOU EXPERIENCED A TRUE AWAKENING?

would just like to add that many people's personal experiences of what they define to be true awakening are different, and that many peoples experiences of this take place at the hands of intelligent entities made of colourful patterns who imbue them with these teachings

 

[MySmelf]

My first "awakening" experience was actually my first salvia trip years ago. My dumbass took a big pinch of 60x on top of a bowl of weed. My consciousness expanded until it encompassed the whole universe. I raised my head back out of shock and I literally felt the whole universe move! I almost lost it at that point. It took two weeks before I felt grounded again.

My Ayahuasca experience, which I posted here: I have fallen in love with everything, I LOVE AYA!!, was exactly the kind of experience your talking about.

I've gotten this type of experience a few times since.

One particularly deep experience was on a mix of weed, DMT, salvia and brugmansia. I remember thinking as I was coming back "How is this possible? How can I possibly still exist let alone be able to come back with this experience still in my head?!!" :shock:

 

[Toxicity]

Enough with entities and colors and 'occilating' shapes...have any of you had a TOTAL God Awakening, in which everything disappeared, and you realized you were the only One? That you were the devil and the gods, justice and fate, all creating an experience to distract God (You) from the ultimate knowing of Yourself? Everyone in Life is just a hyper-reflection of One. It is a feeling of bliss and agony fused together in a never-ending moment of death and re-birth....I have had plenty of 'breakthroughs' so to speak, but only two of this utter magnitude. They were one after another in a span of 3 days. Anyone experience this, and if so, please share your experience with the rest of the forum. We are evolving, it is time we speak of the Truth and the Meaning. Have a wonderful day, I really look forward to seeing what pops up!

I've experienced this feeling, or state of realization if you will, a few times myself.
It's most often triggered when I'm in conversation with others and I find intense synchronicity and self-reflection in what they say or do. The subject can be either personal or impersonal, but once triggered I feel my 'filters' or 'walls' shattering to pieces in a matter of split seconds, leaving me in that familiar ethereal state of chaotic vulnerability and bliss combined as one.
Experiencing the forces of duality forming your whole being and the world around you... understanding that the positive and negative spectrum of our subconscious thoughts make up what we define as waking reality, which is fed back to our minds via conscious sense-perception so we can process it and adapt to or change it accordingly.
The realization that this exists within every one of us, that we are all conscious advents of the one subconscious 'dream' (for lack of a better word).

(Sorry if that doesn't make sense, it's the best way I have to describe it at this point)

 

[۩]

...focus on THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST. HAVE ANY OF YOU EXPERIENCED A TRUE AWAKENING?

I had an experience (which I’ve posted about at least several times), where I became aware that what I ordinarily call reality is a dream. I also realized that once fully awake, there is no returning to the dream – at least not this particular dream. I wasn’t ready for that, and so I willed myself back to sleep.

I don’t believe that a living human being can have a true awakening and live to tell about it.

Hauntingly resonant- With no way to know for sure. I do think you are on to something my good man. :twisted:

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

I just recently had my first "awakening" of this type. For me, there were two distinct different states of mind. In the first, I felt like a gigantic, loving supermonster that could see and feel each and every amazing piece of the universe, past, present, and future all at once. I thought there was no way of coming down from this state. I had hit that state we're all meant to, and I was sure the rest of life would consist of playing with everything in heaven forever. The second state was after? the first, and I grew until I was all that existed. Like you said, me, as the whole universe, creating false pieces to distract myself. Such a weird "realization", and I still don't know what to make of it all, but my thinking agrees with Bedazzle's:

Just a thought--all of humanity awakens at the same time, or at least a high enough a percentage of the populace all together attains a certain high degree of lucidity--at such a point perhaps we could truly join the galactic society.

The reason I came down from the "enlightened" experience was because I was the only one who went into it, and that's the same reason I came to conclude that I was all of existence. Every being, from small to large, is completely one-of-a-kind, totally separate and individual. Yet, somehow, we're also all ONE giant being. I don't think I can walk through that door permanently until everybody, everything is ready and willing to walk through with me, and I think that it's funny that we'll each do it our own goofy way. I got there in such a "me" kinda way, and everything else will boogie in to their own music. I feel like I got a glimpse of how awesome it's going to be when that happens, and I can't wait. I feel like I finally have a clear vision of something to aim for with my life.

Sorry so long, but if you're interested here's one more thought, having to do with "getting there" with your own self-originated energy, rather than borrowing or riding the energy of the psychedelics. I said it well in my intro essay: Sharing dreams, creating the future - Introduction Essay - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

K, one more thing. @Citta: For some, direct experience can be "substantiated evidence". Just because SWIM didn't flip the switch in everybody's mind doesn't mean his head isn't glowing inside.

 

[tobecomeone00]

Amazing! I read each and every response, along with every link, and I gotta say I'm impressed. The variances in experiences are beyond beautiful. This is the sense of community we need to begin building everywhere! Instead of breaking down each others comments and ideas, we should be sharing ALL of our ideals and experiences, creating lines of communication shimmering with waves of creation! This thread feels FUN, and that's how Life should be. IMO of course. I am also grateful for the pick-me ups from some of you, and you ARE right, entities and shapes are a major part of it! I am eager to see what else pops up! And as for my own experience, let's just say I'm a reflection of each and every One of You.

 

[kyrolima]

I experience the "I" as a sort of mechanism which enables me to segregate my individual body from the outside world.
And that is a very useful thing,
but other than that - we are one humankind!
The individual is choosing which experience he will have and together we are creating the history of mankind!


Feel responsible
Feel free
Feel joyful

 

[Tek]

...focus on THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST. HAVE ANY OF YOU EXPERIENCED A TRUE AWAKENING?

I had an experience (which I’ve posted about at least several times), where I became aware that what I ordinarily call reality is a dream. I also realized that once fully awake, there is no returning to the dream – at least not this particular dream. I wasn’t ready for that, and so I willed myself back to sleep.

I don’t believe that a living human being can have a true awakening and live to tell about it.

^ This. Thank you Gibran for posting my thoughts exactly

I've had the information downloaded to me before that 'to really know the truth you have to collapse the illusion that inevitably comprises you're entire human self'. Meaning being that if you want to go home and be god again you must say goodbye to being human (and on certain days that trade sounds awfully inviting lol). To really know the answer means I could never bring it back and tell you guys about it. That, and many other reasons, is why I haven't 'made the deal' to go home yet and remember everything: this physical self still has so much living and learning to do that it's important for me to just be human for now (there is all eternity to be my true self). Or so says lord Teo lol.

It's fascinating, this secret to life. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the answer to life's greatest mystery is so simple and subtle that when you get it, when you REALLY get it, you'll never be able to tell anyone else what it is you really got. And, imo, that's how I know it's the right answer. The inability to put it into words, but know it to be true on an entirely different level is the proof I needed for myself to validate my experiences with the divine. You shouldn't be able to rationally talk about it and get very far.

For me personally, some of the discussions and debates staged around here are sometimes funny to me. Such as, 'is hyperspace a real objective place or is it a product of messed up brain chemistry?' and 'are the entities real or not?'. I meet all of these paradoxical questions with a slight smile and a sense of knowing. No one is 100% right about it, but everyone is at least a little bit right. To me, having hyperspace be an actual objective free-standing place AND a product of my own neural chemistry is essentially saying the same thing in my world view (everything that matters happens at a personal level). The entities, also, to me are both very real seperate beings (from the perspective of earth life Tek) but also other aspects of my ONE conciousness organized by my highest self (god) in a different way which is why it APPEARS as if said entity is a different life form then 3D me but in actuality is not (I've often times wondered if all of the entities are aware of this notion. As I've discovered in my explorations, absolute total knowledge is not a given in hyperspace. Perhaps being incarnated in a human body allows one to develop a critical thinking left brain, thus giving humans a unique ability to contemplate their own existence. Many of the beings I've encountered in hyperspace have seemed less aware of their connection to myself and other entities as essentially being the same person, not most but definately some of them).

 

[SpartanII]

Well, your beliefs are wrong.

You're on an attack spree aren't you? I'm not trying to play internet police here, it's just that this saddens and angers me. Like some other members who have been clearly ignoring the Attitude of this community, it seems like you get a kick out of criticizing people's beliefs, which many base off experience. Just because those beliefs/experiences can't be proven by That Which You Place Your Faith in: your god- Science, doesn't make them any less valid. And just because they might be ridiculous to you, doesn't mean they don't make perfect sense to others because of the powerful mystical experiences that go beyond reason and logic, yet carry their own inherent truth.

Now, back on topic:

Yes, I have had what I would call a mystical awakening. About 10 years ago, my ego was already weakened by the LSD that I had ingested and I was peaking. I had a pet rat which had just given birth to a bunch of tiny little rat-babies and I was carefully examining one of them in the palm of my hand. I saw all the tiny little veins under the thin, pink skin, the tiny black eyes rolling around in the sockets, the rib cage rapidly expanding/contracting, I realized I had a miracle of life in the palm of my hand- and suddenly I was the rat. I was my hand. I was the room, the house, the city, the world, the universe. At the time, however, I had no sense "I". There was no differentiation between anything. There was no difference between Observer and 'that which is Observed'. There was no time. Merging with the All, I was in mystical ecstasy, but I didn't "think" that at the time. There were no thoughts. Only pure, unadulterated consciousness and truth.

I don't remember how long it lasted but whatever I experienced, it was real, it was alive, all knowing, and all powerful, and I'll never be the same again. This experience, taken in context of some other experiences- a few Salvia breakthoughs, uncountable lucid dreams, out-of-body experiences, and a few precognitive and psychokinetic occurrences, have shown me that duality and material reality is in fact an illusion, a secondary reality, a dream, an elaborate hologram, a representation. A reflection of the divine, implicate, primary reality which some call "God".

This is available to anyone under the right set of circumstances, who can set aside their ego, or be willing to have their ego set aside for them.

 

[Citta]

You're on an attack spree aren't you? I'm not trying to play internet police here, it's just that this saddens and angers me. Like some other members who have been clearly ignoring the Attitude of this community, it seems like you get a kick out of criticizing people's beliefs, which many base off experience. Just because those beliefs/experiences can't be proven by That Which You Place Your Faith in: your god- Science, doesn't make them any less valid. And just because they might be ridiculous to you, doesn't mean they don't make perfect sense to others because of the powerful mystical experiences that go beyond reason and logic, yet carry their own inherent truth.

I'm on an attack spree against irrational beliefs with no foundation, yes. I do not value misinformation and false knowledge, because it ultimately gets us nowhere in this world. You think we can communicate on this board because of irrational beliefs and unscientific approaches to knowledge? I think the answer is quite obvious. When these experiences and claims fall under the weight of objective evidence, they are in fact less valid. It's just total arbitrary nonsense to claim that all perspectives are just as valid, because they are not.

Take for example geocentrism, the idea that the sun and the universe revolves around the earth. This perspective was real for those who had it (and still have it), but it doesn't make it any more valid. We now know that this is nonsense, and our perspective now is certainly more valid than the former.

It's not that things are ridiculous just to me, it is that they are ridiculous because of objective evidence, and they totally fall under their weight. This can't really be argued against indefinitely, just as you can't seriously argue against the fact that things will fall down from the table if you push them off the edgde. If you believe that they won't, your belief is wrong, and not at all valid. It's actually as simple as this.

But let's try to follow your logic for a moment, and consider another example. Say your friend is high, or for the sake of the argument, say he is totally sober. He comes to you and he says that "man, I believe I can fly. Check it out!" and he then proceeds to take his faith to the test by jumping of a high building. Are you going to sit there and say "jeez, well sure, your perspective is just as valid!" or are you going to tell him he is wrong, that he will actually fall down and seriously injure himself or die if he tries? I could go on and on with examples like this. Now, if you tell your friend he is wrong, as I certainly hope you will, then you do actually acknowledge that his belief and perspective is less valid, and thus that certain perspectives are less valid than others.

 

[ragabr]

Are you going to sit there and say "jeez, well sure, your perspective is just as valid!" or are you going to tell him he is wrong, that he will actually fall down and seriously injure himself or die if he tries? I could go on and on with examples like this. Now, if you tell your friend he is wrong, as I certainly hope you will, then you do actually acknowledge that his belief and perspective is less valid, and thus that certain perspectives are less valid than others.

I think, Citta, that no one participating in this thread is in such immediate danger.

While I don't agree with the unitive perspective, where one places the boundaries between self and other does seem to be an essentially arbitrary project, and not static in any manner. Why rain on the parade that these fellow Nexians decided to share?

@SpartanII, I see you make the assertion that other Nexians worship "Science" regularly, and very often referring to individuals whose body of posts make it strongly apparent that they're not the materialists or logical positivists you seem to read them as, at all. Endlessness and Mr. Art VD readily come to mind. Some nuance would be appreciated.

 

[Citta]

I think, Citta, that no one participating in this thread is in such immediate danger.

Of course not, but that was not the point either. The point is, and I am repeating myself, some perspectives are in fact more valid than others. My two examples should make this clear, while the second one shows where the "all perspectives are valid" argument can ultimately lead. What I am trying to show is that this old argument that so often is used here, is actually just arbitrary nonsense and doesn't constitute an argument at all.

 

[Death&Decay]

This is a really good post. I agree with a lot of what has been said here, such as once you have a full awakening, there is really no coming back. Death, if you can really call it that, is the blossoming of ones self into a fully awakened state. It's the moment our entire lives are building up towards. It is the ultimate eye opener. However, like Buddhism says, we can get a continual taste of this enlightenment throughout our lives.

So, with that in mind, I have actually had a handful of awakenings, and each time I think how could anything top that? How could it get any better? At first, I thought I had truly become enlightened, until I got to a deeper place that I became even more enlightened. Until, I got to the point where I realized there is no absolute enlightenment, you just continually dig deeper and deeper into an infinitely complex hole. Death is the only absolution.

I have actually reached what one would probably call "enlightenment" or "god consciousness" where I suddenly know everything, feel connected to everyone, and so on. I actually met Vishnu a couple times when I got there. In fact, the first time I got there, he was standing behind the doors of reality waiting for me, smiling, laughing and happy as can be to see me. This was before I even knew who Vishnu was.

And, like another poster wrote, I had an experience where I was able to talk to god or my higher consciousness for hours, and hours, after my dmt trip subsided. The things they told me were very profound and very remarkable. I have also had communication with the cells within my body. I have had so many inspiring and enlightening experiences I don't think there is any to say "this was the moment I became enlightened" because for one) no one can truly be 100% enlightened and here and 2) the deeper you dig, the more profound the experiences become.

 

[ChaoticMethod]

I think, Citta, that no one participating in this thread is in such immediate danger.

Of course not, but that was not the point either. The point is, and I am repeating myself, some perspectives are in fact more valid than others. My two examples should make this clear, while the second one shows where the "all perspectives are valid" argument can ultimately lead. What I am trying to show is that this old argument that so often is used here, is actually just arbitrary nonsense and doesn't constitute an argument at all.

While I would agree that not all perspectives are valid in a shared reality context, I don't see why the unitive concept of the universe is counter-logical and nonsense. In the contrary, science proves us that everything is interdependent; just one big system.

 

[polytrip]

I think, Citta, that no one participating in this thread is in such immediate danger.

Of course not, but that was not the point either. The point is, and I am repeating myself, some perspectives are in fact more valid than others. My two examples should make this clear, while the second one shows where the "all perspectives are valid" argument can ultimately lead. What I am trying to show is that this old argument that so often is used here, is actually just arbitrary nonsense and doesn't constitute an argument at all.

'all perspectives are valid' is even a contradiction in itself, since it contradicts that no perspective is valid, wich is a perspective itself.

 

[Citta]

I think, Citta, that no one participating in this thread is in such immediate danger.

Of course not, but that was not the point either. The point is, and I am repeating myself, some perspectives are in fact more valid than others. My two examples should make this clear, while the second one shows where the "all perspectives are valid" argument can ultimately lead. What I am trying to show is that this old argument that so often is used here, is actually just arbitrary nonsense and doesn't constitute an argument at all.

While I would agree that not all perspectives are valid in a shared reality context, I don't see why the unitive concept of the universe is counter-logical and nonsense. In the contrary, science proves us that everything is interdependent; just one big system.

Good to see we have some common ground. I agree that there is a certain interconnectedness in this universe, in that chain of events leads to other chain of events, and that for example lots of individual parts make up a whole (for example the human body, consisting of trillions of individual cells). But to go from this (beautiful) but pretty obvious observation, to the more problematic one that we are all One, literally just One thing, is for me quite a leap when we clearly see how distinct certain parts of the universe are from other parts. If we consider the Big Bang, then sure everything was pretty much One, but it is not so anymore.

As a last note, that whole "everything is One" idea is pretty vague anyway.

'all perspectives are valid' is even a contradiction in itself, since it contradicts that no perspective is valid, wich is a perspective itself.

Indeed it is, good observation polytrip.