Totally out of this world

[froggydays]

Hi, I had an experience which I wanted to share. I'm an intermediate experience user, I used to buy it and since late I know how to make it myself.

I use a standard glass pipe to 'vaporize' or however you want to call it (without burning it).

Around a week ago I had a crazy experience, with not even that high of a dose I believe, I think it would be around 30-40mg, could be a bit more. However, not more than I would normally take. I think this was around the 3rd dose of the day/night, with around half an hour in between doses.

However this time, I completely lost all sense of reality, which was quite scary at times. I was unable to determine whether I was still breathing, where I was, or what was going on. It was extremely intense. I honestly thought I was not going to survive the experience and did as some point not understand at all what was going on anymore. I was completely lost in the imaginary realm. It was not so much a very 'fast' experience with flashing images/animations, but more a very heavy all out immersion into the fantasy world, which at that moment was so strong I thought I was not going to be able to escape from this experience.

Also there was no difference with eyes open or closed, which I am usually able to use to get back to the real world easily (I used to only take dmt with my eyes open for some reason, which I thought is more spectacular, only recently I started to close my eyes and sit/lie down).

Just wanted to share this to hear of anyone's opinion, and to hear if this happens more frequently, as it was the strongest experience I have ever had. As mentioned, it was pretty terrifying at some point and I had no sense of reality or if for example I was still breathing.

Thanks

 

[new_science]

That sounds normal for a higher dose of DMT. It's keen to keep in mind that as with most (if not all) psychedelics, sometimes we can have a transcendental experience that is unexpected. If attaining a ++++ trip were as simple as increasing our dose, they wouldn't be so special. There is an element of randomness that contributes to how deep we are able to go.

I'm sorry to hear that it was terrifying for you at some point. Pre-trip meditations can help with this, but again, it's difficult to predict how overwhelming or stimulating things can get. Especially when DMT, with its steep dose-response curve, can be relatively mild at 10mg and totally immersive at 30mg.

If it's of any reassurance to you, it's common to forget about our physical selves and our bodily functions when in the midst of the spice. In the specific case of using DMT, it's rather physiologically benign as long as you are in a safe environment. It would be ill advised to use DMT near a body of water, for example--fatal accidents have happened this way--yet to do it at home is almost always safe. One generally won't move much under the influence, though it does happen sometimes.

Let me attempt to stop rambling. In summary, DMT is unpredictable, at times totally overwhelming, and what you experienced sounds normal to me. In taking care to set your intentions, managing set and setting, as well as accurately measuring your dose, you can minimize the likelihood of going deeper than you may wish. It is also wise to consider that there is always a chance you may go deeper than you wish. For better or worse, it's part of the game.

 

[TransistorBass]

Try sorting yourself out with a proper Vape setup and mix your own juice, its taking a load of stress out of the experience for me versus hitting a glass pipe! And it becomes more about the length of hit or multiple hits to get where you want to be, and you can preload a few times before taking a longer hit.

Here's my mix and setup - "Vape juice mix in Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 Kit with Z0.15 Coil fitted, a juice mix of 500mg DMT with 1.75ml PG and 0.75 VG to make 3ml of D-Juice. Vaped at 20w but quickly turned up to 30watt after first toke" from this thread - My Syrian Rue Tea & Vaped DMT Sessions
These sessions were assisted with *Syrian Rue* to extend my fairly low doses (*MAOI, check you don't have any medication that could cause adverse effects before adding in Syrian Rue).

Happy Journeys.

 

[DM3]

Thanks for sharing your experience! It sounds incredibly intense and quite challenging, but it's normal for a stronger DMT trip.
You're definitely not alone in having such profound experiences, and many in the community have felt similarly high at times. It might be helpful to reflect on this experience and what it has taught you about yourself and your relationship with DMT.
Stay safe, listen to your body, and continue exploring at your own pace!

 

[froggydays]

Try sorting yourself out with a proper Vape setup and mix your own juice, its taking a load of stress out of the experience for me versus hitting a glass pipe! And it becomes more about the length of hit or multiple hits to get where you want to be, and you can preload a few times before taking a longer hit.

Here's my mix and setup - "Vape juice mix in Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 Kit with Z0.15 Coil fitted, a juice mix of 500mg DMT with 1.75ml PG and 0.75 VG to make 3ml of D-Juice. Vaped at 20w but quickly turned up to 30watt after first toke" from this thread - My Syrian Rue Tea & Vaped DMT Sessions
These sessions were assisted with *Syrian Rue* to extend my fairly low doses (*MAOI, check you don't have any medication that could cause adverse effects before adding in Syrian Rue).

Happy Journeys.

Thanks! This seem a bit over my head at the moment but I will have a look at it. What is the dose you take per hit if you load 500mg in the mix? This PG and VG is freely available?

 

[TransistorBass]

Thanks! This seem a bit over my head at the moment but I will have a look at it. What is the dose you take per hit if you load 500mg in the mix? This PG and VG is freely available?

Yeah, it was totally over my head too, plenty of folk here to help if needed.
I don't know how much the dose per-seconds of hit you get.
More tokes and longer tokes mean more effects, right from a slight head buzz and mood lift to flicking the switch over into squid-world.

 

[froggydays]

Yeah, it was totally over my head too, plenty of folk here to help if needed.
I don't know how much the dose per-seconds of hit you get.
More tokes and longer tokes mean more effects, right from a slight head buzz and mood lift to flicking the switch over into squid-world.

Okay yes that makes sense.

And what are PG and VG? What does it stand for?

I have been able to find the GeekVape and the coil add-on online.

 

[TransistorBass]

Pure Vape juices, PG is PROPYLENE GLYCOL, VG is VEGETABLE GLYCERINE
There is a useful calculator here - Minty Love - JuiceBuddy1 and I'd recommend Minty's Youtube for some well thought out explanations / tutorials Minty Love

 

[Qoniaq]

Over time, I have found that the dose sometimes seems to have less effect than one would think. I have had sessions where I huffed huge hits and had what I would consider to be 'average' experiences. I have also been smacked a few times with small puffs, like at the end of a cart. It happened to me just a few days ago. It was my second run of the evening, and the 2nd one is usually the best. Our routine is 10 mins meditation, then we do a large-ish handshake dose (say, 5-6 seconds on a 700mg spice to .3ml pg cart). Since we KNOW we are not doing more on that particular hit, there is no nervousness, no shaking hand on the vape syndrome. I let the experience run until I am completely calm. then I go in for the real hits. Usually 3 pulls of 7-10 seconds each. So, the other day, handshake, then 1st trip. It was very nice; A chocolate and cream journey with tinges of reds and purples. My usual ''greeters' were there to try and distract me, waving hands, getting in my face, etc. I gave them a mental head-shake like a pitcher refusing a call from his catcher, this makes them go away, and lets me keep going to the spaces behind.
We took a little break after the 1st trip, and 20 minutes later I went in for another. 3 hits of 6-7 seconds. This one took over like what you descibed. No more connection at all to my breath. Not feeling my body, is usual, but I can almost always anchor down on my breathing....not this time. I was in a maelstrom of movement, as if I were the very grass on a windswepped feild, or maybe even as if I were the long tail-hairs on the back of a fast runnning horse. For a rare minute, I had 360* vision. SO hard to try and explain, but I had no ''behind me''. Really mentally challenging to wrap (no pun intended) my head around. Luckily I have been doing journeys since the early 90s, because this one had me dig into my reserves to keep it together. I could not have opened my eyes if I wanted to. My buddy said it was the first time, after all these years, that he saw me move while I was deemzing. He said I was moving my hands and feet, and that my breathing was not as smooth and controlled as it ususally is. As I started coming back, I could feel my heart beating quickly, which is odd, because usually I come back with a deep sense of relaxation and calm. I self soothed myself back into a calmer rhythm.
The takeaway for me is this: It's not necessarily the quantity smoked, though there is obviously a corelation, but sometimes it is as if Deemzy itself decides for us. I don't want to sound all Woo woo but it seems to be the case. My best advice is this: Try and remember that you just did an incredibly potent psychedelic. You are here because you ASKED to be here. It's my own fault! hehe Take it in, you will not die. Or maybe you will...that's where the learning comes in, right? These are teaching moments. Have you managed to let go enough to dance in the experience you are not controlling? Are you comfortable being out-of-this-universe unconfortable?
For all its wonderful teachings, it's deepest meditations, it's insights...Deemzy is a hugely powerful thing. With daily use, we tend to think we know what we are doing, but evey now and then...When you are not necessarily expecting it, you get the bonus package. Why did I get it today? What am I expected to integrate from this? Why do I think I made myself go this far this time? Am I ready and willing to go back again? We need to answer these questions for ourselves, and move forward according to our individual feelings.

AS for me, Demmzy is my great teacher, and has been for over 25 years. But as with any teacher, some lessons are more easily learned than others, and some lessons are very difficult to digest, but in time you may find, as I have, that thses are often the dowloads that are the most important. they are just overwhelmng, and they ask us to dig deep to try and understand what they mean.

PLUR

 

[froggydays]

Over time, I have found that the dose sometimes seems to have less effect than one would think. I have had sessions where I huffed huge hits and had what I would consider to be 'average' experiences. I have also been smacked a few times with small puffs, like at the end of a cart. It happened to me just a few days ago. It was my second run of the evening, and the 2nd one is usually the best. Our routine is 10 mins meditation, then we do a large-ish handshake dose (say, 5-6 seconds on a 700mg spice to .3ml pg cart). Since we KNOW we are not doing more on that particular hit, there is no nervousness, no shaking hand on the vape syndrome. I let the experience run until I am completely calm. then I go in for the real hits. Usually 3 pulls of 7-10 seconds each. So, the other day, handshake, then 1st trip. It was very nice; A chocolate and cream journey with tinges of reds and purples. My usual ''greeters' were there to try and distract me, waving hands, getting in my face, etc. I gave them a mental head-shake like a pitcher refusing a call from his catcher, this makes them go away, and lets me keep going to the spaces behind.
We took a little break after the 1st trip, and 20 minutes later I went in for another. 3 hits of 6-7 seconds. This one took over like what you descibed. No more connection at all to my breath. Not feeling my body, is usual, but I can almost always anchor down on my breathing....not this time. I was in a maelstrom of movement, as if I were the very grass on a windswepped feild, or maybe even as if I were the long tail-hairs on the back of a fast runnning horse. For a rare minute, I had 360* vision. SO hard to try and explain, but I had no ''behind me''. Really mentally challenging to wrap (no pun intended) my head around. Luckily I have been doing journeys since the early 90s, because this one had me dig into my reserves to keep it together. I could not have opened my eyes if I wanted to. My buddy said it was the first time, after all these years, that he saw me move while I was deemzing. He said I was moving my hands and feet, and that my breathing was not as smooth and controlled as it ususally is. As I started coming back, I could feel my heart beating quickly, which is odd, because usually I come back with a deep sense of relaxation and calm. I self soothed myself back into a calmer rhythm.
The takeaway for me is this: It's not necessarily the quantity smoked, though there is obviously a corelation, but sometimes it is as if Deemzy itself decides for us. I don't want to sound all Woo woo but it seems to be the case. My best advice is this: Try and remember that you just did an incredibly potent psychedelic. You are here because you ASKED to be here. It's my own fault! hehe Take it in, you will not die. Or maybe you will...that's where the learning comes in, right? These are teaching moments. Have you managed to let go enough to dance in the experience you are not controlling? Are you comfortable being out-of-this-universe unconfortable?
For all its wonderful teachings, it's deepest meditations, it's insights...Deemzy is a hugely powerful thing. With daily use, we tend to think we know what we are doing, but evey now and then...When you are not necessarily expecting it, you get the bonus package. Why did I get it today? What am I expected to integrate from this? Why do I think I made myself go this far this time? Am I ready and willing to go back again? We need to answer these questions for ourselves, and move forward according to our individual feelings.

AS for me, Demmzy is my great teacher, and has been for over 25 years. But as with any teacher, some lessons are more easily learned than others, and some lessons are very difficult to digest, but in time you may find, as I have, that thses are often the dowloads that are the most important. they are just overwhelmng, and they ask us to dig deep to try and understand what they mean.

PLUR

Great description!

For me as well, I have taken it many times, but just the last two times now, the experience so overwhelming and scary, I have never experienced anything like it before. I take a few 'normal' tokes and then I experience the usual alternate reality or 'fuzzyness' which is quite cool and gives for a nice experience.

However then on the 3rd or 4th session I took not that much more, maybe 2 or 2 1/2 small scoops, I don't think it's even that much, but then I realize I'm going into this extreme and terrifying experience again. At the moment I know this is going to be this type of experience, I felt really scared and overwhelmed and tried to escape the situation, which is not possible. Then my entire reality switches into this crazy all encompassing 'other' world with the experience you described as well: total loss of control, no sense of reality anymore, completely overwhelming and feeling 'hijacked' in a sense.

These two times I was consciously taking a slightly higher dose, lying in the middle of my bed. I would not want to roll out of bed during such an experience because I was completley unable to tell which side was up or where I even was.

There is such an extreme difference between my regular experiences (i.e. sitting on the couch, watching some videoclips, or alternatively with my eyes closed to experience the visuals) and these past two separate ones, it is completely absurd in retrospect.

It is satisfying to hear your breathing doesn't stop and there are no real physical side-effects, but still, the experience is so extreme at that time it feels very life-threatening and violent.

 

[Qoniaq]

sometimes you gotta roll with the punches. like a relationship with your wife or something. somedays are better than others, on the bad ones you fall back on your love for each other, and face the day as best you can. same with deemzy I guess. some voyages are more intense, some are more rosy. but at the end of the day, If you love each other, that's what you fall back on. the main word being relationship, and that takes 2....speaking of "2", I rarely if ever go deep on deemz on my own. I will do smaller "meditative " doses alone (2 x 7-8 secs pulls) alone, but not full out of body breakthrough doses. I have a trip buddy. we support each other. this makes all the difference in the world to me. in good trips and bad ones. a trusted friend is pure gold! a deemzy buddy doubly so