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[froggydays]

Pure Vape juices, PG is PROPYLENE GLYCOL, VG is VEGETABLE GLYCERINE
There is a useful calculator here - Minty Love - JuiceBuddy1 and I'd recommend Minty's Youtube for some well thought out explanations / tutorials Minty Love

Hi Transistor Bass,

I was able to get the GeekVape as well as make the Djuice, however for the Djuice it didnt really dissolve too well. I mixed as per instructions around 500mg with 1mL of PG, but after ~10 minutes there were some big chunks in the solution, although the original powder was very fine.

Any suggestions? How do you better dissolve?

Also, the Geekvape 5 has a minimum of 70W I see, while for the Aegis 2 the recommended Watt's is 30W. Does this matter much?

Thanks!

 

[TransistorBass]

Hey.
I tend to mix mine thoroughly then leave in a warm place overnight, its always clear by the morning, mix well again before filling your Vape Tank.
I'm guessing you have a 2ml Zeus Tank, you would be best mixing up enough for 2.5-3ml so you have enough to soak the coil for 20mins before use and a bit of spare for topping up.

This is from my notes from my first juice mix:

First Vape juice mix in Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 Kit with Z0.15 Coil fitted, a juice mix of 500mg DMT with 1.75ml PG and 0.75 VG to make 3ml of D-Juice. Vaped at 20w but quickly turned up to 30watt after first toke.

You can easily just use PG and your 500mg DMT will dissolve in 2.5ml of PG making 3ml in total.

30 Watt is about perfect, close your little air holes down to be about 2-3mm open, take fairly slow deep breaths when toking from it.

Hope that helps, let me know how you get on.

 

[froggydays]

Hey.
I tend to mix mine thoroughly then leave in a warm place overnight, its always clear by the morning, mix well again before filling your Vape Tank.
I'm guessing you have a 2ml Zeus Tank, you would be best mixing up enough for 2.5-3ml so you have enough to soak the coil for 20mins before use and a bit of spare for topping up.

This is from my notes from my first juice mix:

You can easily just use PG and your 500mg DMT will dissolve in 2.5ml of PG making 3ml in total.

30 Watt is about perfect, close your little air holes down to be about 2-3mm open, take fairly slow deep breaths when toking from it.

Hope that helps, let me know how you get on.

Thanks, I've added the pg vg d mix already after around half an hour of dissolve, Minty's guide said 10 minutes should work, but I know now for next time.

Regarding the Watts, the Geekvape 5 doesn't go lower than 70w I think, is this a problem?

 

[TransistorBass]

I can't help on that, sorry. Though check out POWER mode in the settings.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Regarding the Watts, the Geekvape 5 doesn't go lower than 70w I think, is this a problem?

You probably talk about coil recommended value written on the coil itself (I guess it's the 0.15XM with 70-85w value range) ? This value is intended for nicotine vape and high VG juices. You can definitely use lower power and its strongly advised to do so if you don't want to burn quickly your coil cotton. Maybe start around 25-30w and adjust until you find the sweet spot. If the box doesn't go below 70w, it's probably because you use a kind of 'smart' mode, which determines the power according to the coil impedance. Try to use basic watts/power mode.

Peace

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Thanks, I've added the pg vg d mix already after around half an hour of dissolve,

Did you slightly heat the mix ? It helps dissolving faster.

 

[froggydays]

You probably talk about coil recommended value written on the coil itself (I guess it's the 0.15XM with 70-85w value range) ? This value is intended for nicotine vape and high VG juices. You can definitely use lower power and its strongly advised to do so if you don't want to burn quickly your coil cotton. Maybe start around 25-30w and adjust until you find the sweet spot. If the box doesn't go below 70w, it's probably because you use a kind of 'smart' mode, which determines the power according to the coil impedance. Try to use basic watts/power mode.

Peace

You're right, I've found a menu to change to custom settings and was able to change to 30w. Thanks!

Indeed on 70W the djuice was spent very fast.

 

[froggydays]

Did you slightly heat the mix ? It helps dissolving faster.

Will try, thanks!

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Will try, thanks!

If you didn't do it it may at least partially explain that it took longer than expected to dissolve properly. DMT melts somewhere in the 50-70C area (more or less, I don't remember exactly) and I guess that once melted it mixes quickly in the PG/VG base.

 

[froggydays]

If you didn't do it it may at least partially explain that it took longer than expected to dissolve properly. DMT melts somewhere in the 50-70C area (more or less, I don't remember exactly) and I guess that once melted it mixes quickly in the PG/VG base.

I left it overnight now and it was dissolved, thanks.

One other question, I read somewhere to store the djuice vial in the freezer because otherwise it turns red and loses potency. However, does it mean I also need to store the Geekvape cilinder holding the djuice in the fridge/freezer when I'm not using it for a while? Or can I leave it in the closet (ie away from light) at room temperature?

 

[TransistorBass]

If it helps I store my tiny vials in the fridge but my Tanks are always just in a dark corner of a room at ambient temperature and i've not seen any issues or loss of potency.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

I left it overnight now and it was dissolved, thanks.

One other question, I read somewhere to store the djuice vial in the freezer because otherwise it turns red and loses potency. However, does it mean I also need to store the Geekvape cilinder holding the djuice in the fridge/freezer when I'm not using it for a while? Or can I leave it in the closet (ie away from light) at room temperature?

I never stored d-juices even less the tanks filled with in the fridge. I never felt any noticeable potency loss with room temperature stored juices which sometimes took me months to finish. I also never had juices turning redish in my storage vials. Not to mention that all my storage vials are made of glass/Pyrex. Don't store the DMT or the d-juices in plastic vials. I usually just store them at room temp (which is never very high throughout the year, including in summer) and away from light.
Also, I remember I read a post on the Nexus which talks about DMT color change related to the temperature to which it is exposed. It was very interesting but I can't find the thread right now, maybe a (chemist) mod passing here could find the thread or talk on the subject.
Other thing : from my experience, the d-juice in the tank inevitably darkens little by little once you started to use the tank. Even with the lowest vaporization temperature as possible (which is my usual strategy and objective). It's a heating environment after all. I never felt noticeable potency loss because of that, just, it gradually becomes darker. It's probably due to this exposition temperature thing but it can also darken even faster when the juice is vaporized at unsuitable (too high) temperature. I guess some burnt residues dissolve and spread through the juice. You can identify it quite easily with the nasty taste your juice starts to have. When you're in this case, coil tends to clog quickly and efficiency loss is more and more noticeable.
All that said to conclude that sometimes it can require time to find the good equilibrium between power used, juices ratios and inhalation pace/airflow tension - this last point is often underrated when it's actually a very important parameter to take in account. It's also good to store your juices properly as mentioned before but definitely no need for fridge. Putting it in the fridge could recrystalize the DMT in it, especially at decent concentration (which I tend to use) and you'd have to heat it to redissolve the spice = unnecessary reheating which in return could accelerate the darkening process.

 

[froggydays]

I never stored d-juices even less the tanks filled with in the fridge. I never felt any noticeable potency loss with room temperature stored juices which sometimes took me months to finish. I also never had juices turning redish in my storage vials. Not to mention that all my storage vials are made of glass/Pyrex. Don't store the DMT or the d-juices in plastic vials. I usually just store them at room temp (which is never very high throughout the year, including in summer) and away from light.
Also, I remember I read a post on the Nexus which talks about DMT color change related to the temperature to which it is exposed. It was very interesting but I can't find the thread right now, maybe a (chemist) mod passing here could find the thread or talk on the subject.
Other thing : from my experience, the d-juice in the tank inevitably darkens little by little once you started to use the tank. Even with the lowest vaporization temperature as possible (which is my usual strategy and objective). It's a heating environment after all. I never felt noticeable potency loss because of that, just, it gradually becomes darker. It's probably due to this exposition temperature thing but it can also darken even faster when the juice is vaporized at unsuitable (too high) temperature. I guess some burnt residues dissolve and spread through the juice. You can identify it quite easily with the nasty taste your juice starts to have. When you're in this case, coil tends to clog quickly and efficiency loss is more and more noticeable.
All that said to conclude that sometimes it can require time to find the good equilibrium between power used, juices ratios and inhalation pace/airflow tension - this last point is often underrated when it's actually a very important parameter to take in account. It's also good to store your juices properly as mentioned before but definitely no need for fridge. Putting it in the fridge could recrystalize the DMT in it, especially at decent concentration (which I tend to use) and you'd have to heat it to redissolve the spice = unnecessary reheating which in return could accelerate the darkening process.

Thanks!

 

[froggydays]

I have set up thd Geekvape now and used Mintys method to make the D-juice. I have tried a few tokes now at 20w-30w, inhaling around 5 seconds and holding my breath.

I like that I dont have to use the glass pipe anymore and time long smoky tokes and everything else, and the effects are much smoother rather than what someone explained as "blasting off", which I agree could be quite scary.

Nonetheless I do notice the effects are much less strong than when I use the pipe. There are only minor effects to be honest, although present.

How much deemzy would one expect to inhale with one such toke? Djuice around 2mL with 500mg / 1.5mL PG / 1mL VG.

Do I need to keep "toking" after the first and does that work?

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

I have set up thd Geekvape now and used Mintys method to make the D-juice. I have tried a few tokes now at 20w-30w, inhaling around 5 seconds and holding my breath.

I like that I dont have to use the glass pipe anymore and time long smoky tokes and everything else, and the effects are much smoother rather than what someone explained as "blasting off", which I agree could be quite scary.

Nonetheless I do notice the effects are much less strong than when I use the pipe. There are only minor effects to be honest, although present.

How much deemzy would one expect to inhale with one such toke? Djuice around 2mL with 500mg / 1.5mL PG / 1mL VG.

Do I need to keep "toking" after the first and does that work?

Hello, several things :

The juice you made is 1g/5ml, which is quite weak (compared to your expectations) even for a subohm tank, unless you boost the watts in a way that would lead to more harshness in the throat/lungs, maybe more toxic PG by-products and higher risk to quickly burn the precious spice and darken the juice quickly. So first step for your next juice being more efficient, go for 1g/2,5ml ratio. That's my usual concentration for subohm tanks and versatile use. Keep the (relative) low wattage you use and adjust other parameters.
Among them, an important one which is often underrated is the inhalation pace and for some people it can be somewhat counterintuitive : the slower you inhale, the stronger the effects. Slower inhalation will produce a more dense aerosol and also, it will heat the coil more, like when you increase the watts (hence the need to keep your wattage in a decent range if you want to preserve your juice and coil). Actually, the inhalation pace (or inhalation tension said in other words) is the last step for modulating the effects intensity. If you inhale tensely, the effects will be weak (lower coil temperature, less dense aerosol). If you inhale slowly, effects will be stronger. Adjust your inhalation tension according to your will with the spice. Some practice might be needed to master the thing.
The question about "how much deezy would one expect" per puff is not easy to answer. I think it can be determined by calculation, taking into account the juice concentration and the remaining juice amount (or weight) which changed after the puff. The result will depend on the several parameters mentioned here. And remains, at the end, related to your inhalation pace, but also the watts you set and the juice ratios. These last two are static (unless you change wattage at each puff), while the inhalation pace may vary, including within the same puff.

 

[froggydays]

Hello, several things :

The juice you made is 1g/5ml, which is quite weak (compared to your expectations) even for a subohm tank, unless you boost the watts in a way that would lead to more harshness in the throat/lungs, maybe more toxic PG by-products and higher risk to quickly burn the precious spice and darken the juice quickly. So first step for your next juice being more efficient, go for 1g/2,5ml ratio. That's my usual concentration for subohm tanks and versatile use. Keep the (relative) low wattage you use and adjust other parameters.
Among them, an important one which is often underrated is the inhalation pace and for some people it can be somewhat counterintuitive : the slower you inhale, the stronger the effects. Slower inhalation will produce a more dense aerosol and also, it will heat the coil more, like when you increase the watts (hence the need to keep your wattage in a decent range if you want to preserve your juice and coil). Actually, the inhalation pace (or inhalation tension said in other words) is the last step for modulating the effects intensity. If you inhale tensely, the effects will be weak (lower coil temperature, less dense aerosol). If you inhale slowly, effects will be stronger. Adjust your inhalation tension according to your will with the spice. Some practice might be needed to master the thing.
The question about "how much deezy would one expect" per puff is not easy to answer. I think it can be determined by calculation, taking into account the juice concentration and the remaining juice amount (or weight) which changed after the puff. The result will depend on the several parameters mentioned here. And remains, at the end, related to your inhalation pace, but also the watts you set and the juice ratios. These last two are static (unless you change wattage at each puff), while the inhalation pace may vary, including within the same puff.

Okay thanks!

Just to confirm: 1gr + 1.5mL of PG+VG OR 1gr + 2.5mL PG+VG? Which one is it?

I will try that the next time.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Okay thanks!

Just to confirm: 1gr + 1.5mL of PG+VG OR 1gr PLUS 2.5mL PG+VG? Which one is it?

I will try that the next time.

I do 1g/2;5ml PG/VG mix, most of the time 50% PG/50% VG = 1.3ml PG+1.2ml VG more or less (I can't measure precisley1.25ml of each with my syringe).

 

[froggydays]

I do 1g/2;5ml PG/VG mix, most of the time 50% PG/50% VG = 1.3ml PG+1.2ml VG more or less (I can't measure precisley1.25ml of each with my syringe).

Okay thanks