Tried, didn't work: a few questions

[onix]

Hello everybody!

I have a few questions. I hope the answers will help me to my first trip ever! For both our sakes I will number the questions, so that recognising the real questions and answering them is easier for you, and so that I will understand to what question you are answering(which is not always crystal clear since English isn't my native language).

I've tried DMT a couple of times since I'm a member of this forum, more then half a year ago. However, I never had any effects(unless if I closed my eyes, then I saw some colors). I have used the machine and an oil burner, with dosages ranging 30-60 mg. I'm pretty sure I'm burning the spice instead of vaporizing it, because I really can't keep the smoke in. It's too harsh. Is it because I'm to impatient? It could be because when the first smoke appears, I can take it easily, but because it's not enough smoke to call it a hit, I quickly try to take a descent hit, lowering my smoking device and thus burning the spice, I believe. 1) What do you guys think? Another reason I do this is because I'm worried that my device will lose heat and it wil take a long time for the spice to vape again. That's another question:2) When you're holding your breath after you took a hit, what do you need to do with your lighter and smoking device? Does it not lose heat and does it not make you inhale a couple of times for the smoke to reappear?
Also, I bought a new pipe looking like this: http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Small_Glass_Steam_Roller_PIpe.cfm
My questions about it: 3) do I need the close one end of the pipe? It just doesn't seem right to leave it open, because you'll suck air through that hole instead of the hole above.
I'm planning to use steelscrubber in the funnel like thing on the top. 4) How much do I need? Does it need to be filled with it, bulge out of it or does only half of it need to be full?
Also, I use a butane lighter.5) Any idea about how high above the pipe I need to hold it?

Thanks in advance, everybody! I hope my sometimes nonsensical explanation won't be a barrier to answer any of my questions...

Onix

 

[Global]

I can't help you in terms of working your machine properly because I've never used one. However, the following caught my attention

I've tried DMT a couple of times since I'm a member of this forum, more then half a year ago. However, I never had any effects(unless if I closed my eyes, then I saw some colors).

If you're looking for profound effects, you're better off closing your eyes. Now before all the naysayers jump in about how you can have breakthroughs with eyes open, and that OEVs are really beautiful, because I will agree with them and say that you can have an open-eyed breakthrough and OEVs can be stunningly detailed and beautiful; however, particularly if you're having problems as it is, you should be closing your time for the bulk of the experience. Close your eyes and keep em closed till most of the action stops. If you open your eyes in the middle and then close them again, you'll likely end up somewhere else, so if you like where you're at, keep em closed. The visuals seem to have an easier time developing behind closed eyes than open eyes. Just a tip.

 

[onix]

Thanks for your answer!

I'll try your suggestion the next time for sure. Although I have to say that the colors I'm talking about are nothing special. It's like far away in the distance some mild kaleidoscopic images. I think there's more fun in watching a kaleidoscoop on a computer than getting these visuals...

Who else has some answers or tips?

Onix

 

[smokerx]

Hello everybody!

I have a few questions. I hope the answers will help me to my first trip ever! For both our sakes I will number the questions, so that recognising the real questions and answering them is easier for you, and so that I will understand to what question you are answering(which is not always crystal clear since English isn't my native language).

I've tried DMT a couple of times since I'm a member of this forum, more then half a year ago. However, I never had any effects(unless if I closed my eyes, then I saw some colors). I have used the machine and an oil burner, with dosages ranging 30-60 mg. I'm pretty sure I'm burning the spice instead of vaporizing it, because I really can't keep the smoke in. It's too harsh. Is it because I'm to impatient? It could be because when the first smoke appears, I can take it easily, but because it's not enough smoke to call it a hit, I quickly try to take a descent hit, lowering my smoking device and thus burning the spice, I believe. 1) What do you guys think? Another reason I do this is because I'm worried that my device will lose heat and it wil take a long time for the spice to vape again. That's another question:2) When you're holding your breath after you took a hit, what do you need to do with your lighter and smoking device? Does it not lose heat and does it not make you inhale a couple of times for the smoke to reappear?
Also, I bought a new pipe looking like this: http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Small_Glass_Steam_Roller_PIpe.cfm
My questions about it: 3) do I need the close one end of the pipe? It just doesn't seem right to leave it open, because you'll suck air through that hole instead of the hole above.
I'm planning to use steelscrubber in the funnel like thing on the top. 4) How much do I need? Does it need to be filled with it, bulge out of it or does only half of it need to be full?
Also, I use a butane lighter.5) Any idea about how high above the pipe I need to hold it?



Thanks in advance, everybody! I hope my sometimes nonsensical explanation won't be a barrier to answer any of my questions...

Onix

1. The machine is very good for smoking spice you just have to get the technique right. Are you using steel or copper mesh ? Also make sure you use torch lighter not normal one. Its much easier to control heat this way.

2. You always use lighter when vaporizing again. Just remember too much heat and you burn it. Thats when the smoke gets very harsh

3. You have to hold one end with your finger With this pipe you have to use sandwich method. You put you preferred herb in like mint or mullein for example then spice on the top and then cover it with more herbs. This way you will not burn the spice. Oh and dont forget to put screen in first of course

You can also infuse any herb with spice and smoke it like any herb in bong (the best) or in any pipe like the one in the link.

 

[Philosopher]

It's hard to get the hang of it. Maybe you need a friend with experience to help you first hand. Until then you should try an infusion.

 

[wearepeople]

I use a pipe with brass screens, a regular BIC lighter, and take one long, deep inhale.

In my opinion, the key to using a pipe is to hold the flame almost 1cm above the dmt. Within seconds the dmt will melt and saturate the screens. You can gently control the flame being drawn towards the bowl with the suction of your breath. From there, I gently "bounce" the lighter up and down, still above the dmt, in the range of 1cm ± 3mm at about 2 to 4 Hz.

The rate at which I draw a hit is very slow, it takes about 15 to 20 seconds. The pipe I use has a fairly restricted air flow which is perfect for this method. Its a hash hammer which has relatively small internal volume. This keeps the smoke from expanding needlessly. Pipes with large amounts of internal volume allow the smoke to cool too much in my opinion.

One deep, long hit is usually enough for me to clear the pipe and break through, even with small doses.


Best of luck,
Wearepeople


Edit: also for this method, its imperative that you can see to the bottom of the bowl, or at least to the top of the screens. If you can't see the screens, you'll likely burn the dmt.

Edit 2: I'll get a picture up soon

 

[onix]

Hi,
Thanks everyone for your answers!

smokerx: I'm using steel mesh with the machine and was planning to do so with my new pipe. Is the sandwich method the only way I can use this pipe? Or is it in any way possible to use the scrubber? Not that it's so hard to find some smoking herbs, just curious And yeah, I was planning on investing in a torch lighter. Going to buy one soon!

Philosopher: Yeah, that would help a great deal, I know. Sadly enough, I don't know anyone who has ever tried dmt... It's not that common where I live, I think

wearepeople: So screens, no scrubber(just to be sure)? I'll take your advice into mind next time I try dmt again. I don't know how much internal volume I exactly have in comparison with other pipes, but I understand what you mean. Hopefully mine isn't too big, but I'll find out soon. At least melting the dmt is something I can do But when it comes to vaporizing, I failed every time. Does the smoke start to appear the first time you inhale? Because in my experience, it could take a couple of breaths to get some smoke, although I suck in air fairly rapid. And yeah, I can see the complete bowl when I have it in position. And good idea to get a picture up. Always handy to see what someone is talking about

So thanks again to everybody for their answers and advices! It is much appreciated.

Onix

 

[smokerx]

Is the sandwich method the only way I can use this pipe? Or is it in any way possible to use the scrubber?

It could work with scrubber but because of your technique is not good yet you will probably burn the spice this way. If you try make sure the flame is not touching the scrubber. Keep it well away from it. Start inhaling slow and when you see smoke keep the flame further away but keep it on. Do not try to get the smoke in the pipe first and then take it all in one go. Just keep inhaling strait into your lungs till you feel you took enough. Keep it in for at least 15 seconds. Then take another one if needed.

For you the sandwich method would work best or as I said you can infuse any herb with spice and smoke it like weed in that pipe. Make sure you never touch the herbs with flame. Just keep it a bit above it.

You just have to get the technique right. You can practice on some herb without spice first.

 

[onix]

I see your point! I'll find myself some smoking herbs and practice with them before I put dmt on them. I like the thought of some smooth tasting herb instead of steel scrubber:wink: It's definitely a method I'll try!
Thanks for your help!

Onix