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Tried for the first time. Confused, with some questions.

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Sunyata

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I'm sorry if this topic is a bit lengthy, but I feel the need to put everything in context. I'm sorry if it seems a bit weird or personal. I'm still trying to put together what I went through last night, and the few people familiar with DMT I've talked to don't seem to understand. Perhaps, I'm hoping, other people out there do. In any case, even if I experienced the drug in a completely unusual way, it is one hell of a drug.

So anyway, I'm 25, and my main problem in life is anxiety. I dealt with a lot of stuff as a kid including getting my leg amputated, having a crazy family, and having mean and manipulative friends. I don't say this with any expectation of pity or compassion, it's simply an unfortunate occurrence, and I am most certainly trying to learn what put me in those circumstances and how I can get out of them. It is difficult.

Anyway, that is the context. A mind dealing with those sorts of things was going into this trip, and I can't decide yet if it was beneficial or possibly very, very harmful. But in any case, around 10:50pm last night, I drank about 6-7g of DMT (having taken 300mg moclobemide about an hour earlier).

I first noticed that I was feeling the come-up about 30-45 minutes later when everything seemed a lot lighter. Edges sharpened, and I became a lot more aware of the feeling of the room as well as of my body. I felt way, way more grounded in myself and in reality. I genuinely laughed a bit - at least as genuine as I could, my sadness was still in the room. More positive people, people less afflicted with anxiety issues, probably live life closer to this place than I do, I thought. Things seemed WAY less serious, and I was deeply unhappy at the damage I have let my over-worrying, self-conscious, and wounded mind do to my life. "None of that even mattered, and yet I wasted years...". I kept thinking I needed to write stuff down, only to discover a few hours later that I never really ended up doing so. I had simply been too busy observing, talking to my friend, and being deeply happy that I was being displayed a reality apart from my normal reality.

Eventually, though, it became clear that the drug was shifting into higher and higher gears. I don't remember much of that process, but the first thing I remember realizing is that everything - and I mean everything - is only a dream, a figment of our imagination. The degree to which the drug reveals this to you - and the weirdly convincing, neutral way in which it is presented, was a lot more than I expected going in.

Basic concepts like parents, friends, jobs, even my personal "me" story seemed meaningless and illusory. They had nothing to do with who I was, which was consciousness itself. As this experience developed, what was left of my ego jacked the experience and I began to believe I had experienced some sort of spiritual awakening and that I was never going to go back. "All that searching, and finally I'm here." I felt quite disoriented, as if I had just unexpectedly been unplugged from the matrix and was coming to terms with the fact everything I had ever known or held to be true was completely and utterly false. It almost felt like other people weren't even real, but just constructions of my mind, along with everything else in reality. My friend tried talking to me, but I didn't even bother talking back because I felt like he was just my imagination. There seemed to be some sort of presence watching me, understanding that the process was frightening, and helping me through it, seemingly saying "Don't worry, you'll be okay, we aren't judging you for being so deluded or wrong about the universe. Everyone goes through this, it's part of life. Just let the process happen." I still didn't know if I was ever going to go back, and at points, I think I was pretty convinced I wasn't going to. I still thought I was awakened for the most part. I started to wonder what happened, and started formulating that the drug itself was just a medium to awakening. I really, really felt like everything was just a construction of my mind. More and more realizations flashed in my head, including the fact that there is no such thing as death. Life is just this construction of ideas and concepts we build, and then eventually tear down, only to build again until we eventually get it right. Sorry for this disjointed nature of my writing - it really all was quite inexplicable.

I was still hoping this was all true, but a small part of me knew that it wasn't, and that I would be going back whether I liked it or not. And this, I think, is where I learned the most from the drug. That is, life isn't easy. We all have different circumstances, but we just have to deal with them and try and live life the best we can. You have to ultimately let go of your vanity, and your concerns with all these worldly things, and simply accept that what is is and more often than not there is nothing you can do about it.

I'm still really confused.

Does this sound like a normal trip?
 
It sounds like you've had a valuable experience. Try to reflect on it and don't dismiss what the presence said to you. If you did not get it right, the presence will tell you the next time you enter this space. It sounds like you got some food for thoughts and i would advise to really think about what happend. Also try to feel it in your heart. Was it really just a "drug"? And even if....isn't it all in the experience?

Good luck on your path. The presence you've made contact with is benign and can show you what life is about. It/they want your best...that's what you need to know for now...the rest only time can tell you.
 
Sunyata said:
Anyway, that is the context. A mind dealing with those sorts of things was going into this trip, and I can't decide yet if it was beneficial or possibly very, very harmful. But in any case, around 10:50pm last night, I drank about 6-7g of DMT (having taken 300mg moclobemide about an hour earlier).
Welcome to the forum.

I assume you took 6-7g of MHRB or its equivalent. I think that 6-7g of DMT with an MAOI would be a fatal overdose.

As far as your experience goes, it sounds very normal to me (but what’s normal where DMT is concerned?) I too have had experiences where it became clear that I constructed this reality – that “I” (who is “I”?) dreamed this reality into existence. I was also quite sure that if I fully awoke from the dream, I wouldn’t be returning. I wanted to return and did everything I could to will “myself” – the dreamer – back to sleep.

What does it all mean? I don’t know. DMT may help you find answers to some of your questions, but it won’t answer your questions. It won’t solve your problems, but it may help you to see yourself and your problems in a different light. What you do then is up to you.

Anyhow, it sounds like you got something positive out of your experience, and that's a good thing.
 
It seems to me that so far the lesson has simply been "let go." The experience seems to show you this amazing, vast, open area, and then quietly remind you that you still have work to do back on Earth and that its time to go back. Even though it was amazingly positive and I originally wanted to stay, after a good hour or two I was definitely excited to go back to baseline and start to take it all in.

My head hurts right now just thinking about all of it.
 
"Let Go". . . I like that. 2 little words that depending on the context can change ever facet of your life. Congratulations on your journey.
 
Once again, informed by the insights of neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor and writer/neurobiologist Lone Frank, I am struck by how easily such an apparently mystical experience can be explained in terms of neuroscience.

Could not this feeling of Consciousness with a capital C, be the part of our brain that is connected to the senses, and which converts the data of electrical signals into a virtual experience that does literally happen entirely inside our head? With two distinct brains, not to mention more primitive brains inherited from our lower mammalian and reptilian heritage, all crammed into the one skull; no wonder we can experience very bizarre and novel states of perception.

If a person prefers the mystical explanation, that is their privilege. But I am struck with wonder and thus can't help expressing the purely mechanical viewpoint.
 
Sunyata said:
and more often than not there is nothing you can do about it.

Really look. See how much of this reality, this dream you can change. See beyond just your eye and how you sum up your life; the outside experience is as malleable as you think it is.
 
Beautifully articulated report, Sunyata. This can't possibly have been your first experience? You've captured it extremely well.

Welcome to the Nexus. I look forward to reading more.
 
My head hurts right now just thinking about all of it.

And you can't keep wondering "What is IT? What happened to me?"

Letting go...its important for the experience. Its important for every experience, especially for a crisis. To be able to say: "Well, this stops here. A new experience beginns NOW."
 
Morphane said:
Once again, informed by the insights of neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor and writer/neurobiologist Lone Frank, I am struck by how easily such an apparently mystical experience can be explained in terms of neuroscience.
If I have a headache, I have a headache. It doesn’t matter if the explanation is dilating blood vessels in my brain, or muscle spasms in my shoulders, or “stress”, or psychological distress, or invisible demons pounding mallets on my brain. We don’t call some headaches “headaches” and others “apparent headaches”. There is no such thing as an “apparent” headache.

Likewise, a mystical experience is defined as such based on the characteristics of the experience, not the source or explanation of the experience. So whether the source is “outside” or “inside”, whether we explain the experience in mechanistic terms or not, it is still a mystical experience. There is no such thing as an “apparent” mystical experience.
 
Welcome, Sunyata!
Beautiful report. Don't think too hard about it, as others have said. The "everthing/one is just a construction of my mind" is only a rabbit hole of thought and I urge you not to focus on such a paradox. Focus on what you can do with this newly gained perspective and stick around here for some great stories, like this one from jbark:


I think you may be able to relate to it.


-mandelbrother
 
Great report! And yes very common uncommon territory! Thanks mandelbrotHER for recommending the link! I think you will appreciate it sunyata - and be sure to read "lucy dreams of" in the lsd subforum - there is a lot there in common with your experience.

Welcome to the nexus and welcome to your dream...

JBArk
 
Morphane said:
Once again, informed by the insights of neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor and writer/neurobiologist Lone Frank, I am struck by how easily such an apparently mystical experience can be explained in terms of neuroscience.
You are struck by how easily such an experience can be explained in terms of neuroscience?

Since when can neuroscience explain psychedelic experiences? Show me a single professional journal article that explains how ingesting a particular chemical leads to a particular sort of subjective experience. What are the steps involved? How are neurons and groups of neurons being altered? How do these neuronal alterations give rise to particular subjective experiences? What mechanism causes particular visual impressions, particular sounds, etc.?

Science can’t even explain how our everyday experiences are formed, let alone how a drug-altered brain functions. How do biochemical goings-on in the brain give rise to our everyday subjective experience? How does consciousness arise out of the interactions of a collection of subatomic particles?

The human brain is probably the most complicated and the least understood thing that scientists study, yet you are struck by how easily such an experience can be explained in terms of neuroscience?
 
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