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sharpstuff said:
behindthelight said:
Ok, so I haven't read the entire thread yet, 36 pages is a lot. Has anyone figured out a tek that works with Acicia? Is so and it is in this thread, what page?
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Try this TEK http://www.scribd.com/doc/83630106/LexTek-DMT-Extraction-v1

Worked for Phylloyd's aswell (taking the bark will kill your acacia ).
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Have tens of thousands of AAcumins where SWIM is! Lucky! SWIM has been able to remove sizeable portions of young and older bark material, down to branch core. Should she only be using the older dried lumpy bark on the older trees?
 
RadioActiveLamb said:
sharpstuff said:
behindthelight said:
Ok, so I haven't read the entire thread yet, 36 pages is a lot. Has anyone figured out a tek that works with Acicia? Is so and it is in this thread, what page?
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Try this TEK http://www.scribd.com/doc/83630106/LexTek-DMT-Extraction-v1

Worked for Phylloyd's aswell (taking the bark will kill your acacia ).
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Have tens of thousands of AAcumins where SWIM is! Lucky! SWIM has been able to remove sizeable portions of young and older bark material, down to branch core. Should she only be using the older dried lumpy bark on the older trees?
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The lextek uses shellite which is a hideous solvent in more ways than one! Of course it can be substituted for heptane or even hot cooking oil. Possibly also acetone that has low toxicity.
Ideally use the bark that is already peeling off.
Does anyone know if there are alkaloids in the gum??
 
Its cheaply mass produced and badly so, leaves a residue when evaporated so god knows if that sticks to your spice when you freeze precipitate. Not to mention spice isnt very soluble in it at room temp.
Although freeze precip must be much cleaner than evaporating.
If its working for you then fair enough! So no tinge or taste with your results?
 
TurtleWithWings said:
My Shellite leaves no residue i even tested it on a glass, and my results have been clean from shellite and as far as i know it is 100% liquid hygrocarbons.
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Just out of curiosity, what brand are you using?

I've used Diggers' Shellite and found it to leave residue in amounts evapped upwards of 20ml. Also it needs to be warm to pull DMT I've found, whereas Diggers' Xylene will pull a wider spectrum of alkaloids and at room temperature. Though, xylene can only be evapped and good God, does it stink...do it outside, definitely, unless you want your house smelling like paint thinner and your nose irritated as hell for the next week. Best of luck regardless! :)
 
Maybe i'm wrong then i only did a little test on a glass with a few ml and it didn't leave residue but your saying 20ml up, i see. I am using Diggers aswell, Does the residue get into the spice? I really haven't noticed it but at the same time i don't want to be smoking that stuff. I take my words back DreaMTripper
 
Hm, could be me that's wrong here mate! I've only ever trialled the one bottle of shellite and for all I know, it could be a dodgy batch or something. Still though, I definitely get residue on evap. If you freeze precip. and drain your solvent that should minimise the amount of solvent residue to nearly nil. Shellite is generally considered, nowadays at least, to be undesirable for organic A/B extractions. Toulene or xylene would be better choices, but feel free to trial the shellite and let us know how it goes! I presume it would pull a purer spice than the other two mentioned solvents. Best of luck. :)

edit: just realised you said you've already used it and it produces clean spice. Excellent then! Out of curiousity did you warm your shellite before you added it to the base solution? Or did you warm the entire vessel up after it was added? OR, did you do it all at room temp?
 
I always warm the naptha because i realise once i didn't i got really low yields, but yeh i warm it. And hmm who knows, atleast theres no solvents ending up in my spice well, unless naptha residue leaves no smell or taste.
 
Oh and cheers for the tips, i'll go get toluene and xylene my next bunnings visit. One question, I should defat with the toluene? and extract with the xylene like you said?
 
Okie Dokie guys, Did my maidenii extraction yesterday, deffinete tryptamine smell after evaporation it was half crystals and the other half was this white milky paste (maybe betacarbolines?) haven't even had a hit of it yet because i have never gotten anything like this, I can upload pictures if you guys really want me to. Oh and once i scraped up the crystals it was a soft yellow powder, i'll give it a hit soon.

And just then did a Floribunda extract, very high in tryptamine smell i can smell a hint of it even while it is evaporating. (it is still evapping as i only just did it), anyway my first pull got little bits of NMT i suspect, it's yellow/orange oil, and it is not plant fat, And the naptha is getting cloudy ( good sign :) ), I will inform you all on my resulting product!
 
..yes good luck with that TurtleWithWings..

RadioActiveLamb wrote:
Have tens of thousands of AAcumins where SWIM is! Lucky! SWIM has been able to remove sizeable portions of young and older bark material, down to branch core. Should she only be using the older dried lumpy bark on the older trees?
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..that is lucky, and it is a very common tree in parts of australia..the A. burkittii variant in particular..
but please bare this in mind with regards to A. Acuminata....the DMT content in phyllodes (leaves) is up to 1.2%..this is higher than bark content of most species, hence there is no need to take bark..phyllodes/branches are the most sustainable thing to take..

as often said (and just to remind new readers) even if there are thousands of trees, the removal of trunk bark affects the long term health of trees, often leading to slow death...phyllodes can grow back within a year, but not bark, especially older bark...
it's important in particular to let large old healthy trees stay healthy..they are the seed-mothers for future generations..
acacias don't recover like mimosa hostilis (tenuiflora) from bark removal..
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Here for the results and i am dissapointed!! i bet there is the tiniest percent of dmt in what i extracted(not 100% though), maybe i have tryptamines? it is orange powder when scraped up (same goes with this i can post pictures if really want). The high i got from it was relaxing and i can feel sensations in the middle of my head. Oh well another experiment a lot more to go! next i am going to extract acacia mucronata var. longifolia! Hope all goes well this time...
 
Just came across this interesting little article that gives a bit of history of a.mearnsii..

Acacia mearnsii another Black Wattle by Bernard Fennessy © One of the wattles is another Black Wattle, Acacia mearnsi i (previously known as A. mollissima). The type of this species was collected by E. Mearns from a cultivated specimen in East Africa and named after him in 1925. It was not realised at the time that it was an Australian species. Edgar Alexander Mearns (18561916) was a doctor in the U.S. Army. In 1909 he was in charge of naturalists with the Smithsonian African Expedition. Acacia mearnsii D. Greig © Australian National Botanic Gardens A. mearnsii is a small spreading tree of up to 15 metres high, with smooth greenish to blackish bark. The leaves are bipinnate and dark green and with a raised gland at the junction of each pinnae pair. The yellow flowers in globular heads can be seen in spring/summer. This species occurs scattered across most of southern Victoria and into New South Wales on the coast and tablelands to the north of Sydney. It also occurs in South Australia, Tasmania and Queensland. A. mearnsii is a widely cultivated and fast-growing species. In South Africa it is a major pest along river banks, having escaped from cultivation for tanbark. The first shipment of tanning material (extract of bark) was made from Sydney to England in 1823. The extract was made by converting small branches, thinnings and tops too small for stripping for the bark, into a strong fluid extract called tannage. The cut-up material was steamed and the fluid flowed on to evaporating sheets where a thick treacley extract was formed. To prevent the tannage contacting iron, wooden vats were used. Bark was stripped from Acacia trees and harvested, particularly in Tasmania and Victoria. The first full cargo of bark was shipped from Westernport (adjacent to Port Phillip, Victoria) in 1835. The wattle bark industry developed very rapidly and there was concern that the indiscriminate stripping of trees caused by the increasing demand for bark in Continental and English markets was likely to lead to the early extermination of the species and a reduction in the supply necessary for the home trade. Hence in 1878 a Board of Enquiry was formed in Victoria to investigate and report on the situation (an early example of an environmental impact statement!). At that time there were 96 tanneries in Victoria, and these needed about 15,000 tonnes of bark annually. The Board was extremely critical of the way in which the once plentiful wattle resource had been exploited in the absence of adequate regulations and law enforcement. It recommended that wattles be planted, that strippers be licensed, that the stripping season be fixed, and that there be a limit to the size of the trees to be stripped. Much later the pressure on wild Acacia was reduced when leather tanning techniques were developed which did not require the use of wattle bark. Later, the need for tanning decreased because of the reduced demand for leather following the increased use of plastics for footwear, furniture and vehicle upholstery.
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^..thanks for that info DreaMTripper..and yes, Acacia mearnsii is one of those cases of an australian acacia being exported before being named..whether this species is chemically highly variable, or seasonal, requires more investigation..see index..
below, A. mearnsii (Black Wattle) seen naturalised in Uganda..
 

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Cool photo. Ive seen my freinds treacle bark extract it is very thick and tarry, but completely fatless and im told it doesnt give up its goodies easily!
 
Just had a thought that made me smile. Could people be charged with possesion of dmt because of the clothes they wear?
Correct me if Im wrong i often happens..
So Ive read dmt in acacia is often in the form of dmt tannate. Ive also read the tannins were/are used for leather.
So therefore some peoples shoes etc could be unwittingly carrying around dmt?? That is if it stayed in the manufacturing process?
 
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