"UFO's" drug culture, and the occult

[Gondrio]

I would much much rather not "fall on christ"..id deny anyone that expected me to blindly follow..I dont care if they are jesus or "god"..id still tell them to get lost.

Is it any coincidence that Christ went about Jerusalem healing blind eyes? yet you take this so superficially...

Those who follow Christ do not do so blindly.

So you yourself saw this happen then?

Or did you read about it in a 2000 year old book & have church leaders tell you about it?


....what don't you do blindly?

WS

obviously no, but there are many other evidential arguments that substantiate the account of these miraculous healings. For Example: The resurrection evidence, and the other various arguments for the divinity of Christ. the prophetic fulfillment (numbering in the 100's -- all fulfilled in a sequential order of the context), the arguments for creation, archeological data, and then theres the philosophical profoundness (which isnt an argument in and of itself, but does become a strong argument when examined in light of the fact of how the Bible was written.)

the presuppositionalist argument would say that unless you accept the bible as true you cannot ultimately make sense out of life, ethics, science, or anything. The proof of scripture then involves assuming that the bible is false and finding out whether or not you can make sense out of life, ethics, science, and etcetera given an antibiblical starting point. There are only two choices. If the antibiblical choice fails, you must accept the biblical one.

Now, unbelievers of all sorts do make sense of life, ethics, etcetera, but presuppositionalists argue that they do this because they are using borrowed capital from a biblical worldview.

Though in spite of these many reasonable arguments, ultimately only the spirit of God can remove our prejudices against His word, and teach people to embrace Christ.

 

[runt underpants]

No, that your rules are futile, and you need to fall on Christ.

or what......?

Ummm... You will melt like a wax figurine before a blast furnace in the presence of the most high, having no righteousness of your own.

So in other words:

we are all sinners & need to follow your religion's rules or we will burn in hell when we die

Ever read any of the pre-King James bible?
Ya know, the one that existed before King James edited the original & all the damnation was added in to control the growing population & benefit the church?
How about the ancient Sumerian Texts? The bible - before jesus...

Just read some of the historical accounts of pre-Christian Europe and how the various European tribes conducted themselves.
If I can find them in my books I will have to post some of it - it's incredible how depraved it was.

Depraved?
Ever read about the crusades....try reading through some books that are not all "your books", if you want to know both sides of the story.
Depraved would be putting it nicely.

 

[Gondrio]

Ever read any of the pre-King James bible?

Yes.

Ya know, the one that existed before King James edited it & all the damnation was added in to control the growing population & benefit the church?

Not supported by a shred of any real evidence <Link

 

[runt underpants]

And a puritan web forum would of course be the best place to get factual information that isn't being skewed by anyone.


Try reading about it in multiple books on the subject, that are written by people from different perspectives.
Go get a well rounded view on the subject & then see what you consider factual.

If you stand, staring into a corner all your life, how are you ever going to know there is a whole room behind you to experience?


^^Good advice for a number of your view points actually


WOW

 

[Gondrio]

And a puritan web forum would of course be the best place to get factual information that isn't being skewed by anyone.

WOW

:shock: ...I cant believe you said that! :lol:

I think it's obvious that your presuppositional beliefs govern too much of what you deem adequate evidence.

 

[Gondrio]

Try reading about it in multiple books on the subject, that are written by people from different perspectives.
Go get a well rounded view on the subject & then see what you consider factual.

I really don't want to get into a full fledged debate on the validity of the KJV, but what book or website has led you to the conclusion that the Bible we have today is full of error?

If you stand, staring into a corner all your life, how are you ever going to know there is a whole room behind you to experience?

And you think that the exploration of the mind through the medium of psychedelic drugs is the ultimate answer to my problems?

 

[universecannon]

hmm..sooo looks like he deleted his posts?


And so the nexinians survived gods wrath, and yee shall remain to see another rising of the sun absolute (no, not that one- or we'd be fu#$ed )

nexus-1 crazy fundamentalists-0

 

[Gondrio]

hmm..sooo looks like he deleted his posts?


And so the nexinians survived gods wrath, and yee shall remain to see another rising of the sun absolute (no, not that one- or we'd be fu#$ed )

nexus-1 crazy fundamentalists-0

Why on earth would I delete my posts when I'm so focused on further response?

 

[Enoon]

I was actually having fun discussing this... too bad.

 

[runt underpants]

And you think that the exploration of the mind through the medium of psychedelic drugs is the ultimate answer to my problems?

NO,
(what do you mean you have problems? but you worship the bible?!?!?!? :shock: )

And my comment had nothing to do with using psychedelics, I'm talking about living your life, being open to new ideas & experience. Not shutting out over half the world because some "priest" demanded (in gods name :roll: ) that it's how you should live your life.

It's funny how you think everyone must be just as single-minded & shallow as you.
People here are living their lives, not just through psychedelics, through multiple facets of this short, amazing experience of life.
You've learned to wear blinders & that's fine for you, it's an easy cop out.....but you should keep you opinions to yourself, rather than making assumptions & threatening random people you don't know anything about!!!
(Has threatening people with "god's wrath" ever really recruited anyone that didn't already agree with you?)


There are no easy answers to life's mysteries. Clearly you are still afraid to die even after all of your bible quoting.
I'm not.
And I mean that, I'm not just repeating someone else's thought's & words.
I've sat & thought deeply about it many, many times & what it is that actually makes most people afraid of death.
I've come to terms with it & realize it's just another change to go through.
there is no reward for following this or that during life.
LIFE IS THE REWARD!!!!!
Wouldn't god be pissed if you wasted it? He went through all this trouble creating it for you!

I try very hard to live a good, productive life & love others, I don't judge & condemn & try to collect them as followers that I can use, or screw people over for my own little wants & needs.
I treat others the way I would have them treat me.
That short phrase sums up all the positive messages in your bible, without having to use the fear of the unknown to scare people into doing what you say.
Oh...and jesus said it too.

Burring your head in lies created 1000's of years ago to control a population (you are clearly neck deep in this control) & not having a shred of empathy or understanding for the other 16 billion humans who share the earth with you & are just as devoted to their beliefs, is definitely not "righteous" in any way.
In fact it's quite the opposite.
It's self righteous & it's pathetic.

It's not your place to judge or condemn anyone but yourself...which you've apparently done.

And don't tell me that your trying to warn people for their own good, that's just how your church convinced you to go out & try to collect more people for their church...which means more money...which means more power.
You just irritate people & turn them away, making you feel better about yourself, cause they are the unwashed sinners & you are supposedly close to god.
It's masturbation.


You are a tool and your being used!! Go burn a witch.

 

[Gondrio]

It's funny how you think everyone must be just as single-minded & shallow as you. People here are living their lives, not just through psychedelics, through multiple facets of this short, amazing experience of life.
You've learned to wear blinders & that's fine for you, it's an easy cop out.....but you should keep you opinions to yourself, rather than making assumptions & threatening random people you don't know anything about!!!
(Has threatening people with "god's wrath" ever really recruited anyone that didn't already agree with you?)

There wasn’t a city on the planet that wanted Paul to come and preach the gospel, which is why he spent half his life in jail. He went into synagogue after synagogue, and they just drove him out. You don’t go where you're wanted, you go where you're needed.

This isn’t about making people happy. This is about life and death. Eternity is coming, in just a matter of YEARS! What worth can you put on a soul?!

LIFE IS THE REWARD!!!!!
Wouldn't god be pissed if you wasted it? He went through all this trouble creating it for you!

This life is but a fraction of a millisecond. You're already “wasting it”, if you're not living for eternity.

I try very hard to live a good, productive life & love others, I don't judge & condemn & try to collect them as followers that I can use, or screw people over for my own little wants & needs.
I treat others the way I would have them treat me.
That short phrase sums up all the positive messages in your bible, without having to use the fear of the unknown to scare people into doing what you say.
Oh...and jesus said it too.

Jesus spoke more about the reality of Hell than any other prophet in all of the Bible.

Burring your head in lies created 1000's of years ago to control a population (you are clearly neck deep in this control) & not having a shred of empathy or understanding for the other 16 billion humans who share the earth with you & are just as devoted to their beliefs, is definitely not "righteous" in any way. In fact it's quite the opposite. It's pathetic.

It's not your place to judge or condemn anyone but yourself...which you've apparently done.

And don't tell me that your trying to warn people for their own good, that's just how your church convinced you to go out & try to collect more people for their church...which means more money...which means more power.
You just irritate people & turn them away, making you feel better about yourself, cause they are the unwashed sinners & you are supposedly close to god.
It's masturbation.

I have what God gives me. Am I better than you? Absolutely not! In fact, I wouldn’t doubt that you're more of a moral person than I am. But I'm not going to condemn you only to turn and walk the other direction. Oh how I want you with me friend. Jesus died for everyone. Hes yours if you will just take him.

 

[runt underpants]

This life is but a fraction of a millisecond. You're already “wasting it”, if you're not living for eternity.

That's my point, life is part of eternity.


And Maybe you need to be here....but you are not "needed" here...


Yawn...

 

[Gondrio]

That's my point, life is part of eternity.

You live. You die. The life you live now determines your eternity. Don't waste it.

 

[runt underpants]

And when does eternity...(forever)...begin?

 

[D_Juggz]

I'm glad this sorted itself out, did not want to get involved.