Understanding DMT

[Enoon]

Interesting theory Misteltoe Mix.

As for my personal views, I try to stay as open as I can about it all and not falling into any one category. I try not to believe in any of the theories, though I suspect that something similar to what Misteltoe Minx explained will be the main responsible agent for creating the visions and experiences we have.

This to me is not degrading to the experience. It simply makes me marvel more at how impossibly interesting our very own minds are.

On the other hand we still don't understand consciousness fully and still are not certain it is actually a local phenomenon or if it is a kind of transmission received by the brain or if it's something entirely different. From my experiences I would like to believe that consciousness is prevalent in everything, that there is some kind of sentience that permeates the very fabric of the universe - time and space, energy... - But I really don't know.

What I do know is that I've learned truths during trips that seemed absolute and unshakeable, only later to find out that they were nothing but delusion. So even my most cherrished experiences and truths about the outside universe I look at sceptically now and wait patiently for evidence or contradiction. And while I wait I try to grow from these experiences and use the new found possibilities to widen my horizons without limiting myself to one strict belief or one form of thinking.

 

[DeltaSpice]

@ deltaspice

Personally I think that dreams are junk

Me too. Pretty convincing when I'm dreaming though.

I dream such random craziness, due to DMT, that I wish I didn't have them.

Apologies for asking but why don't you just stop taking DMT?

I love DMT,Changa,Kithchen Chemistry.
DMT has given me something special in life and I've only scratched the surface with it so far.
I'll never stop

 

[darklordsson]

Spice, just like all the other crazy substances affect the brain in such a way it alters thinking patterns. Why they affect it? We have no clue, its best to leave that rock unturned. Understand that it cant be understood.

Best Wishes!!:thumb_up:

---dls---

 

[DeltaSpice]

I think there are arguments for the case of it being real/other worldly as opposed to all made up by the mind.
I read about the "Dome" before even trying DMT and how it had mechanical walls.
I assumed this meant like circuitry and metal (dunno why I thought that).
Then after breaking through I found myself in a place with moving walls, all mechanical like and spinning parts and shutters.
Afterwards I realised, oh that was the Dome.
How can people mentally create the same visions? Or the same entities?
I know many tell of jester entities.
Surely we can't imagine the same places and same type entities?
Just thought I'd lay down an argument for the other theories.

 

[Enoon]

Actually we can - a lot of us are culturally related, living in a western world sharing similar fairy tales, folklore and traditions. Plus, if that's not enough, we share the same brain architecture. It's not surprising that we have similar visions given similar circumstances, i.e. our brains - which function in the same manner - and a specific substance. That is, if we want to believe that it's really all created by the brain. I'm not saying it is, just saying that it's possible.

 

[DeltaSpice]

Actually we can - a lot of us are culturally related, living in a western world sharing similar fairy tales, folklore and traditions. Plus, if that's not enough, we share the same brain architecture. It's not surprising that we have similar visions given similar circumstances, i.e. our brains - which function in the same manner - and a specific substance. That is, if we want to believe that it's really all created by the brain. I'm not saying it is, just saying that it's possible.

True .. I think at the end of the day , anything is possible.
The reason I lean towards the, "It's another dimension" theory, is because the experience has convinced me that that's what it is.
I know I've seen and heard things that are not of this world.
Most importantly DMT give me some thing to think about instead of watching TV soaps :/

 

[darklordsson]

Actually we can - a lot of us are culturally related, living in a western world sharing similar fairy tales, folklore and traditions. Plus, if that's not enough, we share the same brain architecture. It's not surprising that we have similar visions given similar circumstances, i.e. our brains - which function in the same manner - and a specific substance. That is, if we want to believe that it's really all created by the brain. I'm not saying it is, just saying that it's possible.

Im saying is there is no proof of other places, im not saying there aren't, as I too also strongly believe that it does open up new world's. Its just the beauty of not knowing and having the belief that it is there, and for me, you, and the next guy, Im in the same boat as well. As staying there goes, it would take some mechanical quantum physics I would think lol. But IMO the spice shows visions to us in the most relevant, straight up way it can, like the universe giving strict lessons needed to be learned under a different way, every time, by different people, with different ideas. That's why integration is so important. It just has a huge question mark around understanding it completely. I think integration is the final understanding of DMT. We just don't know the middle of the story of what happens and how we get there I guess is what im trying to say.

 

[universecannon]

As I've outlined in many other threads, I think there is a significant amount of legitimate evidence (including studies, reports, and vast databases of personal experiences) to indicate that there are most likely some kind of non-local properties/capacities/or basis of consciousness. The idea of DMT just being a figment of our imagination actually becomes a lot more interesting if the imagination itself isn't at all what we normally think it is in the first place...

We're a long way from fully understanding DMT and all that surrounds it, but insofar as its effects on consciousness are concerned, sometimes I can't help but relate with what Dennis McKenna says here around the 2:40 minute mark..."what could be less ambiguous"?

 

[Ouroboros777]

bringing it back to the OP with reference to comments in between:

MistletoeMix, in the 'pandemonium models', how did the thoughts get there in the first place? It would be funny if we figured out that instead of thinking aliens were in bodies coming to physically visit earth, they actually existed as a thought band frequency and their way of exerting influence in this dimension was to influence events that create turbulent energy by entering the mind of human instrument as a thought to physically influence the human shell..

DeltaSpice, how funny are our brains.. take a moment, close eyes and imagine the smell of a ripe orange with the rind freshly off. pause. imagine the smell of a french fry just out of the fryer. pause. imagine the smell of a living flower in a field, wind blowing on your face. and stop. so if we just did imagine these things, it seems as if we could smell those objects, but clearly no smell was present in our current environments. So what is happening? What if I said to imagine the sound of a bell from your left. Now how about a gong to your right. You heard the difference? And how? A sound is a vibration, you just recalled the vibratory imprint that was stored in your brain. Without the experience, you would not know what the vibration sounded like, therefore you would have nothing to draw on. Your brain understands left and right by subtle differences it takes for sound to reach one ear as opposed to the other, but no sound was present yet we were still able to recreate a direction quite easily. So.. what's with all the geometry when one uses DMT, anyways? Why is it always described as complex, and how do we have a concept of complex geometry? How do you know what a God code looks like? Perhaps this is something else other than geometry, but our brain is just trying to do its best to interpret it as something known?

You are reading my words. They are just symbols on a screen you are translating in your mind, forming a pattern by moving in a direction left to right, which has a sound and has a 'point'. What does it mean to have purpose, make a statement? Another experiment: say OR to your self.. now slow it down and say ORRRR.... now say OOOORRRRRR.. these words have substance and meaning in your mind, do you feel we, us words, have form and substance? and therefore exist in your reality. Now wait a second.. what do I sound like to you? Do I have your voice? Do I even have a voice? I must, if I am existing in your head and you are understanding the point, I am language which is translated to have meaning. Wait no, am I a thought? Well... what is the difference? If us words have forms, but this is a thought, a thought must have form too.. I'm pretty curious though, can you actually hear what I sound like, or am I just speaking as you? Isn't it kind of weird that I am in your head right now, and I suppose if I am making you feel uncomfortable we don't have to keep reading together 8)

And they all talk about our third eye... so that means we must have a third nostril.. a third ear.. and what more? Can we imagine we taste things? The taste of meat, burgers on the grill. The taste of a vegetable. Chocolate chip cookie. We are not tasting these things, but we are experiencing taste, right now. Even causing some of us to have physical stimulation (who's :want: with me, c'mon!) What is taste anyways, how do taste buds work? They are receptors that take signals and translate it into electrical information for our brains to interpret!

So my thoughts.
are
-to
--go
---with
----your
-----gut
------instinct

(the gut doesn't operate on the realm of the brain, which as illustrated by above can be manipulated quite easily)... but the gut, the heart, that consciousness flowing from the base of existence which envelops all, this is what eye follow. Our bodies are 50 trillion cells, and exist in this physical reality. The mind is a nice toy... but we are on Earth, so the body knows best, in my body's humble opinion.

 

[DeltaSpice]

bringing it back to the OP with reference to comments in between:

MistletoeMix, in the 'pandemonium models', how did the thoughts get there in the first place? It would be funny if we figured out that instead of thinking aliens were in bodies coming to physically visit earth, they actually existed as a thought band frequency and their way of exerting influence in this dimension was to influence events that create turbulent energy by entering the mind of human instrument as a thought to physically influence the human shell..

DeltaSpice, how funny are our brains.. take a moment, close eyes and imagine the smell of a ripe orange with the rind freshly off. pause. imagine the smell of a french fry just out of the fryer. pause. imagine the smell of a living flower in a field, wind blowing on your face. and stop. so if we just did imagine these things, it seems as if we could smell those objects, but clearly no smell was present in our current environments. So what is happening? What if I said to imagine the sound of a bell from your left. Now how about a gong to your right. You heard the difference? And how? A sound is a vibration, you just recalled the vibratory imprint that was stored in your brain. Without the experience, you would not know what the vibration sounded like, therefore you would have nothing to draw on. Your brain understands left and right by subtle differences it takes for sound to reach one ear as opposed to the other, but no sound was present yet we were still able to recreate a direction quite easily. So.. what's with all the geometry when one uses DMT, anyways? Why is it always described as complex, and how do we have a concept of complex geometry? How do you know what a God code looks like? Perhaps this is something else other than geometry, but our brain is just trying to do its best to interpret it as something known?

You are reading my words. They are just symbols on a screen you are translating in your mind, forming a pattern by moving in a direction left to right, which has a sound and has a 'point'. What does it mean to have purpose, make a statement? Another experiment: say OR to your self.. now slow it down and say ORRRR.... now say OOOORRRRRR.. these words have substance and meaning in your mind, do you feel we, us words, have form and substance? and therefore exist in your reality. Now wait a second.. what do I sound like to you? Do I have your voice? Do I even have a voice? I must, if I am existing in your head and you are understanding the point, I am language which is translated to have meaning. Wait no, am I a thought? Well... what is the difference? If us words have forms, but this is a thought, a thought must have form too.. I'm pretty curious though, can you actually hear what I sound like, or am I just speaking as you? Isn't it kind of weird that I am in your head right now, and I suppose if I am making you feel uncomfortable we don't have to keep reading together 8)

And they all talk about our third eye... so that means we must have a third nostril.. a third ear.. and what more? Can we imagine we taste things? The taste of meat, burgers on the grill. The taste of a vegetable. Chocolate chip cookie. We are not tasting these things, but we are experiencing taste, right now. Even causing some of us to have physical stimulation (who's :want: with me, c'mon!) What is taste anyways, how do taste buds work? They are receptors that take signals and translate it into electrical information for our brains to interpret!

So my thoughts.
are
-to
--go
---with
----your
-----gut
------instinct

(the gut doesn't operate on the realm of the brain, which as illustrated by above can be manipulated quite easily)... but the gut, the heart, that consciousness flowing from the base of existence which envelops all, this is what eye follow. Our bodies are 50 trillion cells, and exist in this physical reality. The mind is a nice toy... but we are on Earth, so the body knows best, in my body's humble opinion.

Excellent post, a gripping read , it was like a scene from The Matrix 5

 

[Global]

DeltaSpice, how funny are our brains.. take a moment, close eyes and imagine the smell of a ripe orange with the rind freshly off. pause. imagine the smell of a french fry just out of the fryer. pause. imagine the smell of a living flower in a field, wind blowing on your face. and stop. so if we just did imagine these things, it seems as if we could smell those objects, but clearly no smell was present in our current environments. So what is happening? What if I said to imagine the sound of a bell from your left. Now how about a gong to your right. You heard the difference? And how? A sound is a vibration, you just recalled the vibratory imprint that was stored in your brain. Without the experience, you would not know what the vibration sounded like, therefore you would have nothing to draw on. Your brain understands left and right by subtle differences it takes for sound to reach one ear as opposed to the other, but no sound was present yet we were still able to recreate a direction quite easily. So.. what's with all the geometry when one uses DMT, anyways? Why is it always described as complex, and how do we have a concept of complex geometry? How do you know what a God code looks like? Perhaps this is something else other than geometry, but our brain is just trying to do its best to interpret it as something known?

The main problem I have with this kind of thinking in regards to hyperspace, is that when you try and imagine all of those things, it engages the senses quite indirectly, and in a very minimal fashion. On DMT, we have direct perceptions as we would of external stimuli in our waking day. Objects are "concrete" in the sense that I can touch and manipulate them with my hands. Sounds are heard. Things are seen, not imagined. The senses are directly engaged at their highest capacities. I will concede that some entities will prefer to manipulate the domain of the "mental voice" in order to facilitate a telepathic form of communication, whereas a few certain ones I run into, will always use audible sound. There is a striking difference between the two. Even though one can "hear" the voices in ones head, when they are making concrete sound, it's quite obvious.

 

[DeltaSpice]

As I've outlined in many other threads, I think there is a significant amount of legitimate evidence (including studies, reports, and vast databases of personal experiences) to indicate that there are most likely some kind of non-local properties/capacities/or basis of consciousness. The idea of DMT just being a figment of our imagination actually becomes a lot more interesting if the imagination itself isn't at all what we normally think it is in the first place...

We're a long way from fully understanding DMT and all that surrounds it, but insofar as its effects on consciousness are concerned, sometimes I can't help but relate with what Dennis McKenna says here around the 2:40 minute mark..."what could be less ambiguous"?

Excellent clip..."Mushrooms have info on building technologies"
DMT has shown me what I could only describe as schematics for some kind of technologies and also I've seen technologies that have solid mechanical parts and some kind of moving flowing organic parts .
It could be just plain and simple "Information"

 

[Wizzsplat]

I'm just going to come out and say it-- DMT opens a door to other dimensions, plain and simple, I don't have the intellect ,artistry,perfection,or imagination to come up with any of the wild shit I've seen there,:shock:

 

[Ouroboros777]

The main problem I have with this kind of thinking in regards to hyperspace, is that when you try and imagine all of those things, it engages the senses quite indirectly, and in a very minimal fashion. On DMT, we have direct perceptions as we would of external stimuli in our waking day. Objects are "concrete" in the sense that I can touch and manipulate them with my hands. Sounds are heard. Things are seen, not imagined. The senses are directly engaged at their highest capacities. I will concede that some entities will prefer to manipulate the domain of the "mental voice" in order to facilitate a telepathic form of communication, whereas a few certain ones I run into, will always use audible sound. There is a striking difference between the two. Even though one can "hear" the voices in ones head, when they are making concrete sound, it's quite obvious.

That's incredible. Personally, although I have never used the substance in the manner described on this site, understanding the concept of vibrational realities and density shifts I believe these experiences are not things that are imagined, things are too consistent across other users and effects too spiritually profound to be chance. If it was just a thing, than people would blast off into hyperspace and start counting rocks or sharpening pencils or something pedantic. This is why I am surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about this next part, and maybe I have not read enough posts, but is anyone able to ask for assistance here? We need help! Our realm our bodies reside in is being bombarded by some real intense energies, and some of us have been holding down the fort and taking a lot of pressure, not trying to say learning and experience isn't good but wowz it has been really intense! Maybe there is some hyperspace version of DMT they could smoalk to come here :lol: bring a cigarette for them or something aha