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Using dmt or ayahuasca as a dietary suppliment

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RayOfLight

RayOfLight

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I know there are some members here that vape changa or dmt daily or have in the past and I know there are people here that use aya on a regular basis as well so I figured I would get some perspective on this.

Since I've been using dmt and psychedelics regularly (once a month on average) I've been getting the message that I need to clean up my diet and get more exercise as I'm sure many of you have.

I've been making an effort by eating only ethically raised meat and organic fruits and vegetables but I still eat a lot of crap and cant seem to kick the cravings for good. I always revert back to my old ways.

Is it time to increase the frequency of use to help me with this ?

I am aware that sheer force of will is whats needed to be able to make lasting changes but I do believe that will can be fortified pharmacologicaly with these substances because I experience it during and a couple days after a trip where all I want to eat is fruit.


I'm wondering if by taking light doses of cappi tea either daily or Bi daily it would deter cravings for eating junk food in the same way something like hoodia is used to suppress appetite. I've heard a lot about cappi having a cleansing effect on the digestive system as well witch would really be a great help in the battle of cleaning garbage from my system.

If I do pursue this the dose can't be heavy as there are always lingering effects for me after a heavy dose of anything and this would probably disrupt my sleep and work patterns quite a bit.

I know some members here think you can never have too much of these substances, any thoughts on this are appreciated. thanks .
 
I think you need to work on the 'sheer force of will part'; aya can help you identify the problem but IMO, it sounds like you would be relying on it as a crutch to quell your junk-food 'habit'.Kind of akin to using methadone to quell ones desire for heroin and the like.

If you really wish to make the change you can conquer the cravings without aya or any other substance.😉

Have you any hard evidence that aya has a cleansing effect on the digestive system??
 
force of will allows anyone to achieve anything in the world, if it was as easy as just doing it then everyone would be in great shape, rich and have everything they want.

your using an unfair comparison when you compare cappi to methadone, methadone still has lots of negative side effects from what I've heard. cappi doesn't as far as I know but its possible people have had negative side effects and if so I hope they speak up.

Imo saying something natural with no known side effects like dmt or cappi is a crutch if used on a regular basis to facilitate positive psychological changes is like saying that getting your vitamins from fruit is a crutch and you should be able to make vitamin C without them.

What I'm getting at here is whether or not this can be an effective tool used on a regular basis to help people make positive and lasting life changes without creating a disconnect from consensus reality and if so what dosage would be recommended to stay grounded in reality and yet still experience the psychological benefits.

As for having evidence that cappi has physical healing properties I'm not aware of anything other than anecdotal reports from people.
 
tele said:
Definately I would not recommend doing that. Something that can be done with will power definately.
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95 percent of people fail to maintain weight loss after 5 years. This shows that its not as easy as just doing it for most people, if it is for you great , I'm happy for ya.
 
RayofLight-you'll have to forgive me but I met up with a friend today who is just back from Kenya having worked as a relief worker helping the East African famine victims and I find it irksome how we privileged and alledgedly 'enlightened' ones are talking about using aya to give up junk food.

Just doesnt seem right somehow.:cry:
 
you make it sound like being addicted to refined sugar is no big deal and isn't a worthy use of aya, did you know that in tests rats will choose sugar over cocaine?

why is it that people seem to think that eating junk food is no big deal and you should be able to just stop instantly forever but if this post was about using aya to help cure crack addiction that would be just fine, junk food is an epidemic in our society and probably responsible for more deaths than anything else and studies have shown its more addictive than cocaine in rats.

It is a big deal.


Ill probably end up trying iboga
 
corpus callosum said:
Sorry mate, but try starving.
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So because there are people starving in the world I guess I shouldn't try to better myself.


My girlfriend and I actually sponsor a kid from africa and donate to charities to help feed starving people, with a comment like that I sure hope your doing the same.
 
I would not reccomend going straight fruitarian, as in only eating fruits. What I would do is get rid of all the meat and animal products from your home, and load up on fresh organic raw fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. The raw nuts and seeds are harder to find, alot of the commerical ones are heated at temps that will kill enzymes. Noone goes straight to fruit-only..usually people transition and eat alot of nuts and seeds for a while. You can make alot of stuff with just raw nuts and seeds once you get into it. Just check out some raw vegan gourmet recipe sites..

I have periods where I only eat fruit and some vegetables..but most of the time I eat nuts and seeds as well. You need to transition to fruitarian or it does not feel right because it is forced. Eating nuts and seeds will help you transition, or you can just keep eating nuts and seeds forever..I personally dont think nuts and seeds are bad but eating only fresh fruit and greens for periods of time is the most cleaning diet there is.

I wouldnt use ayahuasca to push this diet either. Just get rid of the meat. Do not have it in the home, otherwise it will be there and it will be tempting. At this point for me, I wouldnt eat meat anyway and have no desire for animal products or cooked food, but I have been raw vegan for a while. Just do what feels right.
 
corpus callosum said:
Sorry mate, but try starving.
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I dunno why that is necessary here. Sick and fat people are a big problem in our society and it is obvious that people are addicted to alot of processed foods and have a hard time getting off of them.
 
This thread is at risk of adopting a tone not in keeping with the Nexus attitude so Im gonna bow out of it.

RayofLight-why dont you try fasting rather than taking substances to help you with your problem?
 
another thing you can do ray is get some superfoods like maca, raw bee pollen and honey, spirulina etc and add them to fruit smoothies. Your body will start to detox once off animal products and these foods will help you mineralize and keep your energy levels up.
 
a1pha said:
RayOfLight said:
corpus callosum said:
Sorry mate, but try starving.
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with a comment like that I sure hope your doing the same.
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I can assure you, corpus callosum is doing his part. Read up on his posts, and head his advice.
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I'm glad to hear it, I'm not trying to be rude here , Im asking for opinions on ayahuascas potential to help with addiction to refined sugar. and all I'm getting so far is ' stop eating crap ' witch is good advise and probably works for people that don't have addictive personalities or eat due to emotional problems.

I tell people addicted to crack to just stop smoking crack too because to me it seems easy to stop as I've never had a problem with it.

Fractal I remember reading about you coming down with some kind of illness that forced you to stop eating crap, had you not have been getting sick would it have been just as easy to stop?, I know you use aya on a regular basis , did that help you get to where your at now?

today I'm throwing out anything in my house that Isnt a natural food. I'm going to be making a serious attempt here I just thought maybe smoking dmt or taking aya more often would help me stay with it and maybe some people here would be able to comment on that.
 
being sick made me cut out alot of things yes..but I did not go 100% vegan or raw for like 2 years after that..I went back and forth between eating fish and being vegan..and then at times I wa eating wild turkey etc..I got somewhat better because I cut out bread and other grains and dairy and beef..but finally I was sick of just sort of surviving and I wanted to thrive so I went fully vegan and then raw and started to feel alot better than I had before. I also did some periods of juice feasting, consuming nothing but fresh fruit and vegetable juice that I made myself. I also drank ayahuasca every other day or so while juicing..and weekly for the last few years. Ayahuasca helps to kill off parasites in the gut so obviousily that is going to help the body cleanse itself.

I never just went raw vegan like that..it was a process that lead eventaully to where I am now. I still plan to go even further with more periods of juicing and also eating as much wild raw herbs, greens and fruits as I can.
 
I wasn't looking for it at the time, but a huge part of my decision to become a vegetarian and eat healthily has been from an aya trip where I went in a tour through my weaknesses and faults, including my eating habits.

I think the fact that you are working on it, from whatever angle it is, is already a good thing. Less people supporting fast food industry and buying unhealthy packaged crap = a step towards sustainability
 
fractal enchantment said:
another thing you can do ray is get some superfoods like maca, raw bee pollen and honey, spirulina etc and add them to fruit smoothies. Your body will start to detox once off animal products and these foods will help you mineralize and keep your energy levels up.
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Do you think animal products are bad for everyone or just some people? I read a book once called eat right for your type, linking blood type to what foods we should be eating, have you heard of this idea ?
 
endlessness said:
I wasn't looking for it at the time, but a huge part of my decision to become a vegetarian and eat healthily has been from an aya trip where I went in a tour through my weaknesses and faults, including my eating habits.

I think the fact that you are working on it, from whatever angle it is, is already a good thing. Less people supporting fast food industry and buying unhealthy packaged crap = a step towards sustainability
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did you notice that after this aya trip that your cravings for unhealthy foods diminished? or did you still get cravings and just fight through it ?
 
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