VapeXhale Cloud + Spice

[skr_nexus]

I've never heard of Eraser. What it is? Googling leads me to a few but various results.

VapeXhale has a glass tube called "bamboo" (it is similar in shape) as a core. It is thick enough to be strong, yet thin enough to handle heat well. At top end is a glass joint in which you pout little enclosed mesh bowls filled with a herbal blend or a soaked metal mesh like steel sponge, liquid pads etc.
The top half of the tube has several bamboo-like restrictions forming series of chambers agitating the air as you pull through it. The bottom half has one another restriction to filter any possible objects inhaled and to further preheat the air. The top half in enclosed in advanced heater with a temp sensor and further enclosed in thick soft insultion enclosed in an aluminium shell. The shell is together with another shell with electronics screwed in a massive protective shield.

This is the construction of Cloud in nutshell, you can fetch the patent pdf here if you want to read about the construction in more detail, the EVO model is heavily improved and redesigned in many ways, yet still working the same way for the end-user.

 

[Jees]

I've never heard of Eraser. What it is? Googling leads me to a few but various results...

O my God, did I really typed that? :lol:
It is Arizer

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[skr_nexus]

Arizer is a great and cheap unit. It has a very versatile terminal control, more than I've ever seen on any current good vape. Actually my measurements were made with this one.
But these numbers are just refference points - the temperature of the ceramic inside the unit which is far from the bowl itself, it does tell only little about temperature of airflow like in the vapexhale. As you have said there is a lotof glass between heater and the bowl and its temperature makes a lot of error in the final temp.
Vapexhale heating and bowl system is far more advanced than Arizer and 7th floor, so actually a constant temperature goes evenly through the bowl (no temperature gradients and hot spots in the bowl) no matter how you inhale (no combustion when you slow down, or thinning when you speed up etc). The bowl is near enough to the heater so there is no room for error after the air leaves heating chambers yet far enough so it doesn't vape away when you are not sucking.

Arizer can vape spice and it will do it almost as well as 7th floor vapes as their airpath and heater construction is extremely similar. I don't recommend it though, it requires some nasty modding compared to 7th floor, like holiding the unit upside down, so no spice can drips down into heater, then McGyvering a place to put spice in anyway. 7th floor vapes don't have heater below the bowl and they have better shaped bowl suited well for both herbs and concentrates. If one wants to use Arizer, it is similar to very clumsy big GVG - elbow whip (elbow loaded with steel sponge and spice) and cyclone bowl as the pipe, vaporizer (upside-down) as a flame.

So in a nutshell:
Arizer is a classic 7th floor like vape, with a bit fucked up bowl system, but great digital versatility. And not suited very well for spice in its natural delivery methods.

7th floor is the highest quality vape of this kind you can get. They areonly analog, but much more durable and the glass is blown into much more effective shapes making the bowl system better.

Vapexhale takes everything into another level. It is all glass from the air intake to you mouth. Even the heater is not inside the glass tube, but wrappend around it.
These smart glass structures in the heater make series of heating chambers heating up any ammount of air sucked through to excellent degree of precision. The bowl system is also incredible - you can load these tiny closable mesh bowls and can put them in and out of the unit as freely as you wish. Also they are super efficient as all the air is forces through all the herbs in them thanks to the design.

 

[shanedudddy2]

Standalone vapes still require considerable technique.
Many of my friends are far poorer at using my Da Buddah than myself.
Unsure why, to me, it seems straightforward...but explaining how one breathes can be difficult to communicate

 

[skr_nexus]

Standalone vapes still require considerable technique.
Many of my friends are far poorer at using my Da Buddah than myself.
Unsure why, to me, it seems straightforward...but explaining how one breathes can be difficult to communicate

Yes, da Buddha is not a vapexhale vape. It's a 7th floor vape. Inhale speed, herb distribution and packing and stirring in the bowl - all of this greatly affects its extraction. Just like GVG. With vapexhale you just dump herbs in the bowl, suck and it gets all vaped. Guaranteed. Any inhaling technique works equally and bowl also doesn't need any care. No stirring, checking for green left, readjusting etc.
Basically 7th floor, Arizer and such are better than GVG only in that you have fixed intensity. You don't have to control flame, only the bowl and inhale speed, that's all (which is still a great plus in temperature consistency). Vapexhale just makes it a true no-brainer.

Only inhale speed related change I could notice is a tiny gradient from bottom to top of the bowl when one inhales really slowly - imo still uncomparable to other vapes. Vapexhale works best ripping it hard. Everytime I hit it I am deeply impressed how fast, effectively and simply this vape extracts.

Maybe I sound liek a praising fanboy. Maybe I am, but look around the internet some and you will find a flood of praisers like me there. I think that means something.

 

[EightPointEightSix]

If you want to go vapexhale I would recommend a bit of wait as they are now getting out a new evolved version of the same unit. With better repairability, reliability, user comfort ad performance. Vapornation now sells the last original pre-evolution Clouds which don't have good warranty support right now. What happened is that their manufacturer stabbed them in back and even tried to sell their designs to competition. They fired them, but now they need their own manufacturing facility so this monstrosity doesn't happen to them again.

VapeXhale have been kickstarting on indiegogo.com, where it could be preordered with at least 150$ discount, but sadly that is over now. And they have got a great success - getting 300% of the funds thez needed to bring manufacturing inhouse. Now, they are doing second round of preorders here, but that is only 50$ off compared to the price at designed launch on October.

Original Clouds are not supported that well anymore. Until October when they get back on track you couldn't get that unit warrantied. They have said they will be able to replace or repair old broken Clouds, but even then it will take more time as there is less support for this now outdated model.

I would choose a package with a hydratube. It is more expensive, but a vapexhale vape without a hydratube is like... ...is like smoking out of bong without water.
Vapexhale vapes can produce powerful and fast-flowing stream of precisely and uniformly heated air. Even when the standard dry looks so big, it doesn't cool down that huge mass of heat as well as a hydratube. Moisturing vapors also makes them a lot smoother.

I will share one funny and dangerous story of an accident thatonce happened to me:
I had a loaded ELB with spice, but felt too nervous to hit it. I thought it would be interesting to try calming myselft with a tiny bit of weed. I know they are usually not a good combo, but how about a tiny ammount just to calm the pre-flight anxiety?
I have both dry mouthpiece and hydratube and I wanted to use just the mouthpiece for the tiny bowl of weed. But somehow I managed to switch these two bowls and I began hitting the spice bowl thinking its just a tiny bowl of weed!!! At first I was like "why its so much dense? It tastes funny. Oh not anymore, it begin being harsh". At this point I realised the mistake and it put me in big shock possibly triggering a mild bad-trip. Right after finishing the hit I tried to lay down, calm down and ride it off. Impossible, the shock has already set the bad track. And as soon as I laid down I began feeling really sick and with last strengh I managed to get to the toilet to puke but as soon as I got there the sickness faded and then I passed out without purge on the bathroom floor. Then woke up and was mindfucked for a min why I am on the bathroom floor until I remembered what happened.

Why have I told this story? First to warn anyone not to switch their weed nad spice bowl lol. It is probably almost as bad as if someone dosed you without you knowing it.
And secondly because this was first time I got sick from spice. Also the first time I vaped it without hydratube. But I don't know what REALLY caused it. Was it bad spice? Was it because of lack of water? Because of the hotter weed vaping temperature dialed that made it combust a little at the end of the pull? Because of the bad-trip inducing shock of realizing the mistake? I don't know I just felt it had to be said.

And an obvious warning to the end:
Using expensive vape with strong doses of spice alone is a very bad idea. For the same reason as you don't want to break your allglass two-piece GVG. These are two-piece all-glass and big! So be careful, strong and moderate doses only with a sitter holding the vape for you.

Thanks for taking the time to be so detailed. I think I will do the pre-order for one that includes hydratube--pretty good deal, though expected ship date is ~November.

I'm also curious what dose you use with your Cloud, and is it all vaporized in one uptake?

Thanks!

 

[skr_nexus]

Depends on dose and lung size - and even inhale speed.
I can vape most of doses in one hit - above average lungs.
Sometimes with larger doses, there is one tiny second hit left.
10mgs are easy to vape all in one hit and there will still be some lungspace left.
20mgs can vape 1.5 timer longer, possibly challenging to vape all in one hit, but still very possible.
Inhale speed doesn't alter temperature, but does alter airflow speed (obviously), so it CAN alter density. Ripping it hard and then slowing down makes the vapor denser and more likely to be inhaled in one hit. As you will use less air to make the same ammount of vapor of same temperature. The density difference is small, but can compress that tiny 2nd hit left into the first one.

 

[shanedudddy2]

heh, sounds interesting. Although, my GVG, Da Buddah, and big glass bong is all I need.

 

[Jees]

...Arizer is ... great digital versatility. And not suited very well for spice in its natural delivery methods...

I concur, glad I could borrow it from a friend for a while to check out on it, he uses it for herb. One thing was great about Arizer, spare parts were separate available in EU at dutchheadshop for really fair prices, comes in handy when fekup something you borrowed

 

[EightPointSixEight]

Well, skr I ordered one! Thank you for the guidance. It won't be here soon, but I will continue to refine other methods.

I was wondering how you physically use it. Do you place it on the floor out of the way? Or use it standing and the quickly lie down? For a breakthrough dose, is the latter scenario even possible? I am definitely a noob of sorts and I want to be safe. The evo (w/ Hydratube) comes with a HydraFoot which is a glass stand for the hydratube , so I could have that placed somewhere safe I guess.
Given ^that fact, should I start at 20 mg? 25?

Also, the temperature dial--where do you feel it's best to be kept at?

Sorry for all the questions. Most of this is very new to me, and you're one of the only people that seems to have experience with this device.

 

[skr_nexus]

It can be used either standing on solid surface or holding it in hand. It is not recommended to leave the tube on while not in use as that would likely break when it accidentaly falls. The unit itself can survive many falls, the glass within in very well secured, only falling directly on top is very serious threat. When it stands on a table it should be a solid one and the cord should be hidden well enough so you can't accidentaly hook it with your feet and send the unit flying. If you want to see all the ways it can be used, just type vapexhale into youtube, there is a ton of great videos of this vape in action and more.

When used with spice, I always recommend a sitter to hold the vape for you and at end of the hit stashing it away so its safe in case of some bad trip freakout or something.
If you think you are experienced enough to do it on your own, i think its well possible, but on your own risk. At least small doses I cosider fairly safe doing even alone.

 

[EightPointEightSix]

Hi skr, I just wanted to post an update so I didn't leave you hanging--as I planned to update when I received my Vapexhale. I'm cancelling my Vapexhale order because I had a breakthrough SO easily with one of those Healthstones and a water tube.

As far as I can tell it worked perfectly, zero heat/harshness--in fact I couldn't really tell I was getting anything at all until I was just gone. I'm glad I put the piece down safely after I was done inhaling, because by the time my head hit the pillow--good bye.




Consequently I think it worked too perfectly, as I had loaded up 50 mg due to trying that exact dose multiple times with the GVG. I don't want to call it a bad trip, but I did feel as I was dying at one point--very humbling experience--ego death maybe? I don't know, but I'm glad to be alive and I will try again with only 10mg with what I will call a perfect, idiotproof method which takes no skill or practice to get down (aside from a lighter that is dependable when upside down).




Imo, screens suck and those stones are the way to go. I'm going to try the GVG with dose on top of the GVG stone filter, and I expect the same result, though there may be some harshness without the water cooling. I'm sure the Vapexhale is pure awesomeness as well, but now that I have a dependable method, I just don't need it.




Unbelievable. Mind blown. I'm in pure awe.

 

[cannacrux]

I have a vapexhale cloud from when I got it on the cheap during the kickstarter they had awhile back. For vaping DMT in the vapexhale, how do I know when to clear the bong? The last couple of times I tried, the top filled with thick vapor and I hit it, but wasn't able to break through.

This could have been for many reasons: I could have just not used enough, I could have used enough but didn't inhale long enough before pulling the bong top off and hitting it, it could have been that I just prematurely pulled the bong top and hit it, thinking I had enough vapor and didn't.

Also, is it better to use the bong top, or would a whip work better?

Any and all info would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Mikhaelis]

The Yocan Evolve Plus with ceramic donut chamber is the cheapest and best vape for DMT. Pulse it so you don't burn it and you will get breakthroughs on as little as 20 mg. I've spent about 500 in buying and making dmt vaporization products, when all I needed was a 20 dollar pen. Since you can buy5 ceramic donuts, you can replace the DMT used one whenever you like and never have that bad smell and be able to use other chambers and not skunk out other products.