n0thing
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ManicMongrel said:
Would you say there is a any chance at all that DMT could build up either on the wick or coils and give a stronger hit than what was intended? IE >50mg?
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Would you say there is a any chance at all that DMT could build up either on the wick or coils and give a stronger hit than what was intended? IE >50mg?
ManicMongrel
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n0thing said:
That sounds unlikely, unless you use a glycerin/propylene glycol mixture with a overly high water content. In that case the water will lower the boiling point of the ejuice, hypothetically low enough to reduce the rate of dmt evaporating.
ManicMongrel
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n0thing said:
It's even less likely that dmt is going accumulate with that much wattage. With 4V and 0.31ohm you are heating the e-juice with ~51watts. The temperature should be way past 220⁰C and the dmt might even evaporate faster than the e-juice itself.
There is usually a few percent of water in the e-juice, enough to lower the boiling point slightly but not significant.
Are you sure you didn't just underestimate the amount of dmt left in the wick?
I've got a relatively powerful e-cig setup, that might be capable of easily delivering breakthrough even with solution far from saturated.
It is an Aspire Cleito with SS coil (50-70 Watts, great wicking for VG, juice guzzler, very open airflow, possible to TC) on an 80W TC Mod.
I've seen report of successes with much less powerful setups.
But I don't like the taste PG and the Cleito might wick too much for PG, it's great with 100% VG.
I have trouble finding info about DMT solubilitz in VG, all I could find is few posts that claim its much more soluble in PG over VG, but a little bit of PG can enhance the solubility significantly.
Is there anyone who knows or tried?
I once tried to put CBD into pure VG and it didn't dissolve at all. Even a high PG with a little VG has very poor solubility for CBD. And I fear it might be the same for DMT and don't want to waste it trying. Is it really unlike CBD so its soluble enough in PG/VG mix?
I'm not shooting for a very high concentration. I can get to the "waiting room" with 15-20mg and 20-30 might be enough for a breakthrough. Also, I often prefer smaller doses, so I'm not aiming for a concentration that would breathrough in one hit, more like 3-4 hits, about 8mg per hit.
If the Cleito gives about 10-20 hits per ml => that would be like only 80-160 mg/ml. Could that be dissolved in pure VG? Or a PG/VG mix with a high VG percentage?
EDIT: I guess, I'll just have to try... I've found a report of a successfull 1-hit breakthough with 250mg in 1.5ml of 50/50 PG/VG. So I could try 100mg in 1ml of 100 VG, and if it doesnt dissolve, then add 50mg and 0.5ml of PG.
It is an Aspire Cleito with SS coil (50-70 Watts, great wicking for VG, juice guzzler, very open airflow, possible to TC) on an 80W TC Mod.
I've seen report of successes with much less powerful setups.
But I don't like the taste PG and the Cleito might wick too much for PG, it's great with 100% VG.
I have trouble finding info about DMT solubilitz in VG, all I could find is few posts that claim its much more soluble in PG over VG, but a little bit of PG can enhance the solubility significantly.
Is there anyone who knows or tried?
I once tried to put CBD into pure VG and it didn't dissolve at all. Even a high PG with a little VG has very poor solubility for CBD. And I fear it might be the same for DMT and don't want to waste it trying. Is it really unlike CBD so its soluble enough in PG/VG mix?
I'm not shooting for a very high concentration. I can get to the "waiting room" with 15-20mg and 20-30 might be enough for a breakthrough. Also, I often prefer smaller doses, so I'm not aiming for a concentration that would breathrough in one hit, more like 3-4 hits, about 8mg per hit.
If the Cleito gives about 10-20 hits per ml => that would be like only 80-160 mg/ml. Could that be dissolved in pure VG? Or a PG/VG mix with a high VG percentage?
EDIT: I guess, I'll just have to try... I've found a report of a successfull 1-hit breakthough with 250mg in 1.5ml of 50/50 PG/VG. So I could try 100mg in 1ml of 100 VG, and if it doesnt dissolve, then add 50mg and 0.5ml of PG.
I have weighted 60mg on a miligram scale and dissolved in 2ml of 90% VG / 10% PG.
It was dissolving slowly, so I've heated it a little bit, shaked and that made it dissolve completely.
Then I put it in fridge for 30 min to see if it would precipate in cold. It didn't, stayed dissolved.
I've deliberately used so little to be cautious and didn't want to accidentaly breakthough.
Also I know the Cleito can vape a lot of juice in one hit. I was right:
I probably should consciously count the hits.
But I think these 2ml gave me about 10-14 big hits (5-7 hits per ml).
That would be about 5-8 hits per ml, and that is 4-6 mg per hit.
And in experience, each hit felt like around 3-5 mg vaped.
Definitely felt each hit, had some threshold visuals after 2-3 hits.
I don't think I could breakthough with this concentration.
Maybe if I did like 4-6 huge hits in a row, I could start getting into "the waiting room".
I'll try 80 or 100 mg per 2ml next time...
...but not today, I'm feeling a bit exhausted from todays tests.
I'm happy that I started so low, the Cleito proved itslef to be really powerful.
If I used like 200 mg/ml like some other people, it would totaly knock me out with just a half of a hit.
So being aware of the number of hits per ml on your tank is also important.
The current ones are beasts and can be used even with high VG hyperspace juice.
It was dissolving slowly, so I've heated it a little bit, shaked and that made it dissolve completely.
Then I put it in fridge for 30 min to see if it would precipate in cold. It didn't, stayed dissolved.
I've deliberately used so little to be cautious and didn't want to accidentaly breakthough.
Also I know the Cleito can vape a lot of juice in one hit. I was right:
I probably should consciously count the hits.
But I think these 2ml gave me about 10-14 big hits (5-7 hits per ml).
That would be about 5-8 hits per ml, and that is 4-6 mg per hit.
And in experience, each hit felt like around 3-5 mg vaped.
Definitely felt each hit, had some threshold visuals after 2-3 hits.
I don't think I could breakthough with this concentration.
Maybe if I did like 4-6 huge hits in a row, I could start getting into "the waiting room".
I'll try 80 or 100 mg per 2ml next time...
...but not today, I'm feeling a bit exhausted from todays tests.
I'm happy that I started so low, the Cleito proved itslef to be really powerful.
If I used like 200 mg/ml like some other people, it would totaly knock me out with just a half of a hit.
So being aware of the number of hits per ml on your tank is also important.
The current ones are beasts and can be used even with high VG hyperspace juice.
nan0tEch
Rising Star
I've got a Smok AL85 kit includes the baby tfv8 beast tank, it's loaded with 0,370 grams of DMT and 2,2ml 50/50 e-juice. Also it has an ss coil of 0,4 ohm. My mod is setup to 56 watt. Yesterday it was my first attempt with this mod. My first time was snorting a line of 0,150g, i was lockout of the experience i think cause i don't remember anything but a black void with a few fractals and i woke up.
So my first took with my mod was instant, i couldn't hold it in for long but it was instant. I didn't take a second or third hit. I'm not ready yet to go for a full blast. I thought i was but i'm a bit scared at the moment for a full breakthrough experience. So i'm working my way to it, just getting more used to the instant trip that DMT gives.
I've tried in total 3 times my mod, but it seems to create so much vapor i cannot hold it.(not used to smoke) sometimes it's to harsh so i tried at 45 and 50 watt. Any expierience for a better setup?
So my first took with my mod was instant, i couldn't hold it in for long but it was instant. I didn't take a second or third hit. I'm not ready yet to go for a full blast. I thought i was but i'm a bit scared at the moment for a full breakthrough experience. So i'm working my way to it, just getting more used to the instant trip that DMT gives.
I've tried in total 3 times my mod, but it seems to create so much vapor i cannot hold it.(not used to smoke) sometimes it's to harsh so i tried at 45 and 50 watt. Any expierience for a better setup?
You said your coil was SS, so it could be used in TC mode. Can your mod do TC?
TC when set up correctly shuld prevent any harsh taste due to overcooking.
I didn't get any harsh taste with TC (and had success around 150-200 Celsius).
With TC you can also take longer hits and they will not get hotter and hotter as with Wattage mode.
TC when set up correctly shuld prevent any harsh taste due to overcooking.
I didn't get any harsh taste with TC (and had success around 150-200 Celsius).
With TC you can also take longer hits and they will not get hotter and hotter as with Wattage mode.
Pihuechenyi
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I just want to thank ducdevil, furhenden, sbc1 and all the others that have contributed to this ROA. I set myself up with a SMOK Alien Kit, 0.4 ohm at 40 watts and 500mg dissolved in 3ml of 60/40 VG/PG (dissolved very quickly in a heat bath).
I had a rare hour to myself in the garden yesterday, it was a blustery but sunny day, the trees were swaying, the birds were making loads of noise (I think maybe a territorial dispute was happening), blossom was falling from the trees. I sat cross legged on a rug and tried to be present in the moment while occasionally taking a hit from the vape. DMT revealed itself to be an artist of infinite variety as it transformed the scene in front of me. At one point I went in for two and although still seemed to be present here my mind voyaged and I learnt some things and felt myself deeply to be part of the fabric of nature. It was like being part of the tao. I also feel I understood how a human is just one way of experiencing this universe but the bubble of our understanding and perception in no way reflects the true nature or extent of things.
I love my GVG, except for the period my girlfriend was a heavy cannabis user and it was constantly gunked up with resin, and there is nothing like a one hit breakthrough but the e-cig approach works very well for me when I want to be outside - convenient and inconspicuous.
I had a rare hour to myself in the garden yesterday, it was a blustery but sunny day, the trees were swaying, the birds were making loads of noise (I think maybe a territorial dispute was happening), blossom was falling from the trees. I sat cross legged on a rug and tried to be present in the moment while occasionally taking a hit from the vape. DMT revealed itself to be an artist of infinite variety as it transformed the scene in front of me. At one point I went in for two and although still seemed to be present here my mind voyaged and I learnt some things and felt myself deeply to be part of the fabric of nature. It was like being part of the tao. I also feel I understood how a human is just one way of experiencing this universe but the bubble of our understanding and perception in no way reflects the true nature or extent of things.
I love my GVG, except for the period my girlfriend was a heavy cannabis user and it was constantly gunked up with resin, and there is nothing like a one hit breakthrough but the e-cig approach works very well for me when I want to be outside - convenient and inconspicuous.
Routemaster
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I had read an older thread (Ecig Method for Vaping DMT summarized - best thing since... - Vaping/Smoking - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) on vaping DMT with e-cigs that discussed the use of Ethanol. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on using it as a solvent? Specifically by dissolving the DMT in a tiny amount of ethanol first then combining that with the VG/PG solution at the desired ratio.
I am new to e-cigs, having only tried them with cannabis extracts. I have since purchased an ego-t + dual coil tank in order to experiment some more using a basic setup. I've smoked DMT in a number of different ways but never properly vaporized it.
I am new to e-cigs, having only tried them with cannabis extracts. I have since purchased an ego-t + dual coil tank in order to experiment some more using a basic setup. I've smoked DMT in a number of different ways but never properly vaporized it.
Jules_supertramp
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anrchy said:
actually I tried Vape pens for 2$ each from alibaba and they work just perfect. Seriously I have a good one which creates way to much vapor but those cheap ones are awesome.:d :d
orchidist
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Wanted to chime in with my own recipe here:
I used 70/30 VG/PG flavored juice from my local shop, added 1g of clean, white crystals to 1mL juice, mixed together in a shot glass. It required a some stirring to dissolve, but not much. Might've taken 5 minutes or so. I'm not sure if this makes a difference in how easy it is to dissolve in the juice, but I took the extra steps to wash and dry my solvents, freeze precipitate and then recrystallize my extractions. I would imagine a more amorphous product would be a lot harder to dissolve.
I then dispensed this mixture by syringe into a GeekVape Zeus tank with a 0.2 ohm mesh heating element.
I use an Aegis mod set to 70 watts. I can break through on this easily with 2 1-2 second hits. I am a heavy vaper, so my assessment of its harshness might not apply to all, but I found it to be little to no harsher than the 0 nicotine fluid I started with.
I'm not sure if this really makes any difference, but I've been lightly preheating the tank with a blow dryer, just enough to visibly reduce the viscosity of the fluid.
I haven't completely consumed the juice in this tank, so I don't know anything about longevity of the coil, but I'm pretty confident it will work fine up to the very end. I will report back about it when I get actual results.
I used 70/30 VG/PG flavored juice from my local shop, added 1g of clean, white crystals to 1mL juice, mixed together in a shot glass. It required a some stirring to dissolve, but not much. Might've taken 5 minutes or so. I'm not sure if this makes a difference in how easy it is to dissolve in the juice, but I took the extra steps to wash and dry my solvents, freeze precipitate and then recrystallize my extractions. I would imagine a more amorphous product would be a lot harder to dissolve.
I then dispensed this mixture by syringe into a GeekVape Zeus tank with a 0.2 ohm mesh heating element.
I use an Aegis mod set to 70 watts. I can break through on this easily with 2 1-2 second hits. I am a heavy vaper, so my assessment of its harshness might not apply to all, but I found it to be little to no harsher than the 0 nicotine fluid I started with.
I'm not sure if this really makes any difference, but I've been lightly preheating the tank with a blow dryer, just enough to visibly reduce the viscosity of the fluid.
I haven't completely consumed the juice in this tank, so I don't know anything about longevity of the coil, but I'm pretty confident it will work fine up to the very end. I will report back about it when I get actual results.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Is this a question?Cavemen said:
Probably it pays to be able to distinguish between vg as vapor genie and vg as vegetable glycerin, the latter of which applies here.
OrangeEnergy
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Was recently in Italy, observed an extraction, and vaped the juice made with a previous extraction.
This was 50:50vg/pg with 1g spice in 3grams juice.
The high pg made it very harsh on the throat. I managed one long, slow, full inhalation, which took me deep into fractal hyperspace. Another similar hit and I would have broken through, but that wasn't going to happen with my throat the way it was.
I hear reported the vg/pg being used is 80:20, again with 1g spice in 3g juice. Much easier on the throat and easier for the inexperienced to take.
Going to make some with this recipe with my next batch. Will report results.
This was 50:50vg/pg with 1g spice in 3grams juice.
The high pg made it very harsh on the throat. I managed one long, slow, full inhalation, which took me deep into fractal hyperspace. Another similar hit and I would have broken through, but that wasn't going to happen with my throat the way it was.
I hear reported the vg/pg being used is 80:20, again with 1g spice in 3g juice. Much easier on the throat and easier for the inexperienced to take.
Going to make some with this recipe with my next batch. Will report results.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
I'll say once again, DMT in (the right) salt form will dissolve in the VG rich juice and be significantly smoother.
No need to use the freebase.
No need to use the freebase.