Vaping with Syrian Rue

[Dannyboy]

Hi, sorry if there is a better board to place this in but I wasn't entirely sure where to put it.

I am an experienced DMT blaster and I am at around 270 trips right now. That's not 270 full breakthroughs, but 270 experiences that I consider profound enough to "count".

In the last 2 months I have also started microdosing by taking a one second hit on the vape, once or twice a day (my juice is potent, so a one second puff is quite a nice little hit).

My juice is 1 gram of DMT to 4ml of unflavoured vape juice. Yes, we read about people mixing 1 gram with 1ml, which I think is mad, but my DMT and juice really is potent AF and mixing a gram in 4/5ml STILL makes a potent mixture.

ANYWAYS, I have purchased me some Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala) X5 extract, in powder form, and I want to finally see if I can experience the e x p a n d e d version of the DMT trip.

Can anyone give me any advice on how to do this? I heard I should put some powder under my tongue for 20 minutes and then start hitting. They said 150mg of powder but that seems like a lot. Or can you add it to tea too?

I use a vape, so I guess I could approach it cautiously and take one second hits every minute, or something like that.

What do you do?

 

[TransistorBass]

As you have no real idea how strong (or not) your 5x extract is, I think people would advise to start low and build experience.

If you had extracted your own Harmalas from Syrian Rue seeds I would say between 40-60mg held in the mouth for as long as you can, 5-10mins is about as long as I do, then 30-60mins later start hitting the DMT Vape.

 

[TransistorBass]

Btw, ensure you don’t take any medications that could cause bad effects from the Harmalas. MAOI can have contraindications to some prescription medication.

 

[JosBoaz]

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[theghost]

I was gonna ask the same question

I am buying the x5 extract. Can I just eat it?

 

[Dannyboy]

As you have no real idea how strong (or not) your 5x extract is, I think people would advise to start low and build experience.

If you had extracted your own Harmalas from Syrian Rue seeds I would say between 40-60mg held in the mouth for as long as you can, 5-10mins is about as long as I do, then 30-60mins later start hitting the DMT Vape.

I got the powder about a month ago and have been putting it off due to apprehension on the unknown but yeah, I think going low and taking it easy and cautiously will make it less anxiety inducing.

I have experienced a 30/40 minute DMT experience once before, when I was hitting a vape cart. I kept hitting it every few minutes and it kept me in the zone, just walking around my apartment enjoying the DMT realm.

The point being, I technically shouldn't be scared but I think it's just the sense that you will have no choice but to ride it out for 30 or 40 minutes whether you like it or not, whereas with the vape cart experience I was fully in control and could stop at any time.

But the answer to that is again, just going low to begin with, and figuring out the sweet spot

I never knew about the "do it 30/60 minutes later" thing tho, so thanku.

I also expect that it would be wise to not have eaten for at least 3 hours.

And no, I am on no medications.

 

[theghost]

Can someone suggest a starting amount?

 

[JosBoaz]

Can someone suggest a starting amount?

I bought extracts of harmala before, but honestly, I'm not a big fan because I don't know if they used harmful chemicals to extract it. Hence, I prefer to do my extractions of any substances myself.

Since @Dannyboy and @theghost are not talking about pure harmalas, it would probably be safe to say that one can at least use those dosage measurements as a guideline.

 

[theghost]

Ill probably just start with 50mg and work up.

Is the idea the more MAOI the more the trip will last?

But can you still control this with the drags on the vape?

So for example if I took 150mg and 1 drag - would that last the same time as say 2 drags spread out?

Basically I would rather limit the time but be able to increase intensity if possible

I assume just eating and waiting 90 mins is ok. How long will they work for?

 

[JosBoaz]

Ill probably just start with 50mg and work up.

Is the idea the more MAOI the more the trip will last?

But can you still control this with the drags on the vape?

So for example if I took 150mg and 1 drag - would that last the same time as say 2 drags spread out?

Basically I would rather limit the time but be able to increase intensity if possible

I assume just eating and waiting 90 mins is ok. How long will they work for?

I never really used DMT with a vape. I used a bong with a vaporization bowl, and in the later stages I added a large torch. Based on my experience, I don't think you necessarily want to increase the intensity of DMT. Most of the other questions you raised, I can't really give a clear answer to, but I can share the following experience.

I noticed that when I took 8 g of Harmala seeds, crushed with a pestle and mortar, then steeped in hot water by pouring the hot water over them and allowing everything to cool down, I would eventually feel the effects after drinking the entire mixture, including the seeds.

Once the Harmala was active, I would take a very small hit from the (DMT) bong just enough to feel something, but not enough to produce open-eye visuals. I noticed that about 5–15 minutes later, I would get huge tracers when moving my arms. I always wondered what would happen if I took another mini-dose at exactly that moment.

One day, I was curious enough to try it. I took another small hit right when the tracers were happening. I felt the come-up almost immediately, so I went inside my house. I had only walked a few steps when I suddenly heard someone say, “HEY!” from behind me.

I turned around because I knew I should have been alone in the house. When I turned, I saw a familiar entity standing in the room, looking directly into my eyes. It startled me because I was completely unprepared for it.

At the same time, during that moment of “emotional stimulation” another entity appeared from behind my right shoulder. It was extremely close probably closer than the distance from your elbow to the tips of your fingers. The being moved from behind my right shoulder across the front of my body toward my left side while maintaining direct eye contact with me.

It was also green, similar to the first entity, but it looked completely different, and I had never seen it before or since. It had a rectangular face and square-shaped eyes, reminiscent of imagery found in Mexican artwork.

I experienced visions for more than two hours from what was, a tiny dose of DMT. Granted, this isn't exactly what I meant when I said that someone might not necessarily want to experience greater intensity. The experience itself was manageable, but it does illustrate just how dramatically Harmala can extend and alter the duration of a DMT experience. What I expected to be a brief experience from a tiny dose ended up producing visions for well over two hours.

So, for example, if I took 150 mg and had one drag, would that last the same amount of time as taking two drags spread out over a longer period?

No, my friend. Harmala isn't simply something you add because you want a longer trip.It does several things:

• It increases the duration.
• It increases the intensity.
• It gives the entire experience a different character or “spin.”

That last point is especially important. This is why using the raw plant can feel quite different from using a filtered or isolated extraction. As most people who have experience with these plants will tell you, using the raw plant tends to produce a fuller, more complex experience compared with using isolated Harmala alkaloids. The isolated alkaloids feel somewhat blank or sterile by comparison.

A 5× Harmala extract is probably somewhere in between, assuming it is a reasonably full-spectrum extract rather than a preparation containing only isolated alkaloids. If anything, I would personally recommend the full plant over isolated extracts, because you get a more complete experience from the plant as a whole.

How long harmala works depends on the route of administration.
Oral - swallowing it lasts about 6h
Other methods last shorter

 

[theghost]

Thanks

Controlling the time is key for me as I don't really want a multi hour experience.

I agree that plants have a different edge to chemicals only and I do want to feel soem of the magic you get when on Aya.

 

[Dannyboy]

I never really used DMT with a vape. I used a bong with a vaporization bowl, and in the later stages I added a large torch. Based on my experience, I don't think you necessarily want to increase the intensity of DMT. Most of the other questions you raised, I can't really give a clear answer to, but I can share the following experience.

I noticed that when I took 8 g of Harmala seeds, crushed with a pestle and mortar, then steeped in hot water by pouring the hot water over them and allowing everything to cool down, I would eventually feel the effects after drinking the entire mixture, including the seeds.

Once the Harmala was active, I would take a very small hit from the (DMT) bong just enough to feel something, but not enough to produce open-eye visuals. I noticed that about 5–15 minutes later, I would get huge tracers when moving my arms. I always wondered what would happen if I took another mini-dose at exactly that moment.

One day, I was curious enough to try it. I took another small hit right when the tracers were happening. I felt the come-up almost immediately, so I went inside my house. I had only walked a few steps when I suddenly heard someone say, “HEY!” from behind me.

I turned around because I knew I should have been alone in the house. When I turned, I saw a familiar entity standing in the room, looking directly into my eyes. It startled me because I was completely unprepared for it.

At the same time, during that moment of “emotional stimulation” another entity appeared from behind my right shoulder. It was extremely close probably closer than the distance from your elbow to the tips of your fingers. The being moved from behind my right shoulder across the front of my body toward my left side while maintaining direct eye contact with me.

It was also green, similar to the first entity, but it looked completely different, and I had never seen it before or since. It had a triangular face and square-shaped eyes, reminiscent of imagery found in Mexican artwork.

I experienced visions for more than two hours from what was, a tiny dose of DMT. Granted, this isn't exactly what I meant when I said that someone might not necessarily want to experience greater intensity. The experience itself was manageable, but it does illustrate just how dramatically Harmala can extend and alter the duration of a DMT experience. What I expected to be a brief experience from a tiny dose ended up producing visions for well over two hours.

So, for example, if I took 150 mg and had one drag, would that last the same amount of time as taking two drags spread out over a longer period?

No, my friend. Harmala isn't simply something you add because you want a longer trip.It does several things:

• It increases the duration.
• It increases the intensity.
• It gives the entire experience a different character or “spin.”

That last point is especially important. This is why using the raw plant can feel quite different from using a filtered or isolated extraction. As most people who have experience with these plants will tell you, using the raw plant tends to produce a fuller, more complex experience compared with using isolated Harmala alkaloids. The isolated alkaloids feel somewhat blank or sterile by comparison.

A 5× Harmala extract is probably somewhere in between, assuming it is a reasonably full-spectrum extract rather than a preparation containing only isolated alkaloids. If anything, I would personally recommend the full plant over isolated extracts, because you get a more complete experience from the plant as a whole.

How long harmala works depends on the route of administration.
Oral - swallowing it lasts about 6h
Other methods last shorter

Wow, that sounds awesome and intense and scary in equal measure.

Whilst I am experienced flyer of 4 years this month (on the 23rd), I think I will still tread very carefully and consider every attempt an experiment.

Because I don't know the full potency of the Syrian Rue, I am going to do only 30mg, then in 45 minutes to an hour I will do a good hard 2 second pull on my vape.

I'd rather go very easy and test the water safely first.

How long is the Halmalas "active" for? Like, if my 2 second pull doesn't do anything in 20 minutes, for how many hours after taking the Harmalas should you do DMT?

Like, if you took Harmalas, and then didn't hit the vape for 3 hours, would it work?

What is the window?

 

[JosBoaz]

How long is the Halmalas "active" for? Like, if my 2 second pull doesn't do anything in 20 minutes, for how many hours after taking the Harmalas should you do DMT?

Like, if you took Harmalas, and then didn't hit the vape for 3 hours, would it work?

What is the window?

I would suspect that harmala would still work after 3H, but the thing is this:
Onset
Peak
Plateau
Come down

Harmala Duration Levels?