And when I take them sublingual, I encapsulate them, crush the capsule slightly in the middle to give it a kidney-bean shape, poke small holes in it, and place it under my tongue.
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Vaping with Syrian Rue
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Average dose for oral/swallowed harmalas would be about 150mg. 60mg would be an equivalent dose for sublingual but rather weak for oral intake. These doses are intended for cleaned harmalas, which maybe isn't the case of your 5X extracts. Anyway, build your way up gradually.
OK first report for me
I have a MTL vape with a ratio of 1.5 : 1 (DMT to juice).
I took 300mg of 5x syrian rue extract and waited 2 hours.
I didn't feel any effects from the SR extract itself
I generally need to take 2 tokes on my vape to get to the point where everything is hazy. I don't generally push further than that.
I would say the effect on the vape was
-some tingling in the body which was not there before - mainly in my stomach area.
- it lasted a little longer than normal - like a few minutes.
- it felt easier to go a bit deeper - my visuals were very vivid and it was a bit scary to almost lose control - although I could open my eyes with some effort so maybe not a breakthrough.
Overall the MAOI did make a small difference to the vape.
I might next try 500/600mg.
I have a MTL vape with a ratio of 1.5 : 1 (DMT to juice).
I took 300mg of 5x syrian rue extract and waited 2 hours.
I didn't feel any effects from the SR extract itself
I generally need to take 2 tokes on my vape to get to the point where everything is hazy. I don't generally push further than that.
I would say the effect on the vape was
-some tingling in the body which was not there before - mainly in my stomach area.
- it lasted a little longer than normal - like a few minutes.
- it felt easier to go a bit deeper - my visuals were very vivid and it was a bit scary to almost lose control - although I could open my eyes with some effort so maybe not a breakthrough.
Overall the MAOI did make a small difference to the vape.
I might next try 500/600mg.
I'm not really experienced in this extract form. I bought it once and thought wtf is this bs.
Compared to very strong brews of harmala.
Later, I made these extracts myself, due to the extraction process of harmala alkaloids. So this form (x5 extract) is a midway point within that specific process. Took it a couple of times, but must say that it feels somewhat more alive than pure alkaloids (harmaline and harmine), but it fails compared to raw seeds. (raw seeds can be eaten, used to make tea, making brews, or harmala resin)
This is very telling, to be honest. When I take harmala, I always feel the effects, of course, this is because I know from experience how much I should take. (to get a specific level of effects)
I won't be surprised that when you find the dosage level you need to get decent "trippyness" effects from harmala alone, when you take a few minor puffs of your dmt device, you will be blown away by the increased effects.
Yes, let us know how the next trip will be, when you increase the dose of harmala.
And are you planning to acquire plain harmala seeds at one point?
I don't know if there are any legit 5x or 15x syrian rue extracts out there, not a single person I've seen talk about them is talking about them in a way that indicates any level of activity. Harmala extraction is really simple, just a little time consuming with the filtering if you do it properly. I highly suggest looking into doing that.
Vaping DMT with oral or sublingual harmala is a beautiful experience though, so you won't be disappointed when you get it right. Extends the experience but also anchors it and gives it its own flavour. I much prefer DMT with harmalas than without.
Vaping DMT with oral or sublingual harmala is a beautiful experience though, so you won't be disappointed when you get it right. Extends the experience but also anchors it and gives it its own flavour. I much prefer DMT with harmalas than without.
I have some rue seeds (not used yet) and the 5x extract. The benefit of the 5x extract is that its easy to eat in capsules.
I have some pure alkaloids due soon. But they are some what more difficult to get to start with.
The SR extraction looks a pain and although I can follow the DMT ones the SR seem harder!
I am going to try every variation! I may try 500mg of the extract tonight.
JosBoaz - you seem to be saying the seeds are better than the pure alkaloids - I guess because something is lost during extraction?
I have some pure alkaloids due soon. But they are some what more difficult to get to start with.
The SR extraction looks a pain and although I can follow the DMT ones the SR seem harder!
I am going to try every variation! I may try 500mg of the extract tonight.
JosBoaz - you seem to be saying the seeds are better than the pure alkaloids - I guess because something is lost during extraction?
No soy tan experimentando como tú respecto al DMT.
Llevo años consumiendo ruda Siria con xilocibina y com mimosa hostilis.
Yo, suelo tomar unos 3 gramos de ruda Siria, picada en una picadora de café, creo que el momento idóneo de vapear el DMT sería una vez que las hamalas y almalinas de la ruda, picada y en infusión, simplemente calientala durante o 10 minutos, yo en particular por debajo del punto de ebullición. Aunque no sé si esto es necesario, no sé a qué temperatura se volatibizan las harminas, pero veo como la infusión más oscureciendo hasta tener un negro parecido al café.
Yo, tomaría la peor aproximadamente una hora después de tomar la ruda, cuando yo se noten sus efectos, para que acerque así todo el DMT pasó a la granola pineal y tarde más en descomponer.
Muchas gracias.
5x extract is a joke, sorry. Basically, even raw seeds are miles ahead of any such extract.
Why? What could be easier?
No way. Rue extraction is as easy as it gets:
It's his personal preference, imo
Good luck
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Yes, that is my observation about extractions that are more prone to filtering certain molecules from these plants. I'm not the only one who speaks about this phenomenon, I have seen it mentioned online a couple of times. I guess you personally need to test it out to form a decent opinion about it yourself. The extraction method that I employ nowadays is aligned with my preference. This keeps the full spectrum of the plant intact, and you can easily consume it without the nasty taste of harmala.
Here you can read how it's made
I'll try the 5x extract up to 600mg and 1000mg (which is what the seller recommended).
I'll do seeds after
The pure alkaloid is more difficult as I have to get it from abroad but I should have some soon. I mean that would be best as I know the dose every time (in theory). I will look into extraction again if I like it.
I'll do seeds after
The pure alkaloid is more difficult as I have to get it from abroad but I should have some soon. I mean that would be best as I know the dose every time (in theory). I will look into extraction again if I like it.
I doubt that you'd have any success with these sold extracts. I've never seen a case where someone was satisfied with them. Extracted harmalas tend to be fine quality-wise. You can simply chew on some seeds or make a decoction (tea) from them. It's a common starting point for almost everyone. Then, depending on your preference and style of work, you can look into extracting rue, which is not hard at all. I prefer teas myself, but that's just my own preference. I use rue orally in strong doses and occasionally, so a tea works for me.
I'd extract rue seeds for vaping, though
Panpsychic
Titanium Teammate
You shouldn't be scared necessarily but that is of course up to you and how you approach this. However while your numerous DMT trips are unique in themselves, this is far from being simply 'an extended DMT session'. There is in fact a separate way people do that with DMTx protocols done in a research setting.
Harmalas + smoked DMT though is something else.
The 'proper' way to do it, if we go by the shamanic tradition of always combining them.
Harmalas are indeed seen as 'the main event' and DMT the accelerator in those traditions. Many have spoken about these topics on here.
Aside from the fact it will last longer, and be deepened and potentiated, you will find new dimensions opening up.
For me in particular, it is when Harmalas are combined with DMT that the trips become much more directed , and the very present presence of the Most High becomes clear guiding the process.
I wish you well on this next phase of your journey.
Second experiment
This time I took 2g of ground up Syrian rue seeds. Interestingly the 5x extract I had look suspiciously like the seeds I ground up myself.
I put them into 4 capsules. I was just going to put them in some yoghurt (which is MAOI safe apparently) and down it but didn't in the end. I might do next time as 3g will be 6 capsules.
2 hours in I start getting a tingly feeling in my body which lasts about 1 hour.
I put music on to right it out and hope the music sounds better - it sounds a LITTLE better.
I feel VERY subtly a bit of lightness in my mind but very little
Nausea wise, I could tell something was in my stomach but I wasn't anywhere near being sick - didn't have to go to the toilet until at least 8 hours after.
I think it wore off after about 3.5 to 4 hours. (i.e no effect for 2 hours and then effects for 2 hours but reducing past the 1st hour)
I didn't vape. I know people say to vape 1 hour after taking the SR. Is this when the MAOI effect kicks in or is it better to wait until you start feeling the tingling?
I will try 3g of seeds tonight and probably no vape.
This time I took 2g of ground up Syrian rue seeds. Interestingly the 5x extract I had look suspiciously like the seeds I ground up myself.
I put them into 4 capsules. I was just going to put them in some yoghurt (which is MAOI safe apparently) and down it but didn't in the end. I might do next time as 3g will be 6 capsules.
2 hours in I start getting a tingly feeling in my body which lasts about 1 hour.
I put music on to right it out and hope the music sounds better - it sounds a LITTLE better.
I feel VERY subtly a bit of lightness in my mind but very little
Nausea wise, I could tell something was in my stomach but I wasn't anywhere near being sick - didn't have to go to the toilet until at least 8 hours after.
I think it wore off after about 3.5 to 4 hours. (i.e no effect for 2 hours and then effects for 2 hours but reducing past the 1st hour)
I didn't vape. I know people say to vape 1 hour after taking the SR. Is this when the MAOI effect kicks in or is it better to wait until you start feeling the tingling?
I will try 3g of seeds tonight and probably no vape.
Great to see you feeling out the rue on its own. Ground up seeds is a favourite of mine. Usually a fuller experience compared to extract.
I take once I feel the rue, sometimes as soon as 40 minutes, only because once I feel it then I know the rue is in full effect and I want to be adequately harmala'd.
Just note when you do vape do less than you usually would to gauge how it affects the experience for you.
I take once I feel the rue, sometimes as soon as 40 minutes, only because once I feel it then I know the rue is in full effect and I want to be adequately harmala'd.
Just note when you do vape do less than you usually would to gauge how it affects the experience for you.
Experiment 3
I should say I am an experienced aya user and have done it the hard way multiple times. That long deep feeling is NOT what I am looking for out of this. I want a clearish headspace to listen to music and feel euphoria.
I took 3g of syrian rue seeds grounded up in a coffee grinder. I had a cherry yoghurt. I put the powder in and the first few spoonfuls were that and the yoghurt - it does taste nasty even though I never got the full taste. I then had the second half of the yoghurt. I think in future I might stick to capsules. I see no reason to have a nasty taste (like with aya) when I don't have to.
That being said, I am thinking a quicker come on time would be better so I may do tea or sublingual freebase next time.
10pm - took the rue
1am - nothing happening - I decide to lie down for music and I take 2 tokes of my vape (1.5:1 ratio, MTL).
I get the same sort of visuals I normally get on the DMT and they last a similar amount of time. The difference is I get what I will call an 'afterglow' which is a pleasant feeling. This comes in after about 15 minutes and takes about 2 hours to wear off - gradually doing so. During this time I was fully aware of what was happening around me.
I also started getting tingling again in 2 distinct waves from about 1.30. This was pleasurable but I didn't like it at the time because it was uncontrollable.
I got up around 3pm and I was lightheaded. I would say it took a further 3 hours until it 100% wore off and I went to sleep.
Overall it was good. I like the fact it was a generally clear headspace as I don't want to be completely zoned out because of my living situation.
I would prefer however if the afterglow only last 30 mins with the chance to extend with further tokes. I am not sure if I should reduce the SR down to 2 or 2.5g or just do 3g again but take a smaller toke to make the DMT last less longer?
I feel a bit like the DMT is the flame but the SR is the gas - if you have too much gas the flame will keep burning...?
The shakes took over 3 hours this time and so I am thinking of changing to tea or sublingual so I have more control over it.
Its not anything like Aya though - I suspect you need way more MAOI and I do wonder how much MAOI we must be having with aya - it must be like 3x as much.
I should say I am an experienced aya user and have done it the hard way multiple times. That long deep feeling is NOT what I am looking for out of this. I want a clearish headspace to listen to music and feel euphoria.
I took 3g of syrian rue seeds grounded up in a coffee grinder. I had a cherry yoghurt. I put the powder in and the first few spoonfuls were that and the yoghurt - it does taste nasty even though I never got the full taste. I then had the second half of the yoghurt. I think in future I might stick to capsules. I see no reason to have a nasty taste (like with aya) when I don't have to.
That being said, I am thinking a quicker come on time would be better so I may do tea or sublingual freebase next time.
10pm - took the rue
1am - nothing happening - I decide to lie down for music and I take 2 tokes of my vape (1.5:1 ratio, MTL).
I get the same sort of visuals I normally get on the DMT and they last a similar amount of time. The difference is I get what I will call an 'afterglow' which is a pleasant feeling. This comes in after about 15 minutes and takes about 2 hours to wear off - gradually doing so. During this time I was fully aware of what was happening around me.
I also started getting tingling again in 2 distinct waves from about 1.30. This was pleasurable but I didn't like it at the time because it was uncontrollable.
I got up around 3pm and I was lightheaded. I would say it took a further 3 hours until it 100% wore off and I went to sleep.
Overall it was good. I like the fact it was a generally clear headspace as I don't want to be completely zoned out because of my living situation.
I would prefer however if the afterglow only last 30 mins with the chance to extend with further tokes. I am not sure if I should reduce the SR down to 2 or 2.5g or just do 3g again but take a smaller toke to make the DMT last less longer?
I feel a bit like the DMT is the flame but the SR is the gas - if you have too much gas the flame will keep burning...?
The shakes took over 3 hours this time and so I am thinking of changing to tea or sublingual so I have more control over it.
Its not anything like Aya though - I suspect you need way more MAOI and I do wonder how much MAOI we must be having with aya - it must be like 3x as much.
I think you'd enjoy harmala extract, then. It's the cleanest experience one can get with harmala plants, and you can use it sublingually, too.
First of all, aya is an oral brew, and that plays a big role in why it affects people differently than vaping dmt. My usual rue dose is about 5g for oral roa. I'd say aya and its analogs are a different medicine compared to vaped dmt.
If the taste is an issue for you, sublingual administration won't be much better - you’ll still end up with a lingering bitter aftertaste in your mouth, no matter what you do. A strong ginger drink helps to dissipate the taste a lot (and is good for nausea reduction).
About tea, you will remember its taste in your next reincarnation
(private joke inside). But that's part of the medicine. Tea kicks in faster than ingested seeds but you still should have to wait at least 1 hour to benefit from the synergy with DMT. Rue/harmalas peak is usually at T+1h30/T+2h. You could also chew the whole seeds for like 10-15mn more or less then swallow them and depending on the chewing time, it would be a mixed sublingual/oral route.
Another option is to smoke harmalas infused herbs. It kicks in even faster than sublingual, lasts about the same and is very convenient. I usually do my harmalas infused herbs with mullein, it's very smooth and rather neutral taste wise, but I can understand that someone who never smoked might be put off by the idea though.
