Vaporhuasca Report

[hardyw]

Posting this while it's fresh:

10/17 Early AM - 150mg Harmine HCL at 5:32 AM.
Well this turned out to be another absolutely EPIC experience. The short version is that the harmine HCL definitely did its job but did produce some nausea. At around 6:20-6:25 AM, 50-55 min after taking the Harmine HCL dissolved in water I started taking a few tokes on the vape. It took 3-4 this time to start feeling much of anything. Then I pushed a little further and for the next hour, maybe hour and ten min I was really pretty deep in it with some breakthrough level visuals at certain points. There’s a certain point you can reach where things sort of open up, the geometry is there but there’s also contrast created by open space. Like a vast open room with some “object” in the center spinning and dancing. I’ve noticed this effect several times.

I definitely also noticed the waves effect that I had heard described by others as influenced by the harmalas. In a DMT experience without harmalas there is a clear point at which things fade, with the harmalas it will occasionally fade a little bit and then come back.

A note about “topping up” the experience: There were several times during the hour or so where I took an additional toke. Then near the end of the hour, I tried to take two in short succession and there was a clear feeling of a “block.” Sort of like a hand came down into my mind’s eye and blocked my path and said “that’s enough.” I chose to respect that message and as soon as I resolved my intention the experience opened up again.

All in all it was exactly what I needed. There was some nerves during the week, a sort of restless feeling, feeling drawn to the DMT experience but also that familiar apprehension which sort of guards and protects it. I came this morning in a good headspace and feeling peaceful and hopeful. The DMT realm rewarded my patience.

Next experiments:
- Harmalas with other simple tryptamines - MPT / MET
- Freebase full spectrum harmalas instead of HCL (ROA uncertain)
- Outside vaporhuasca experience "eyes open"

 

[RitualOpossum]

thanks for the reporting buddy. Interested in hearing more

 

[yatyas314]

Sub lingual for me and if it was not enough I vape the Harm aline/THH gives me enough optionality for the level of weird I am looking for.
Y

 

[hardyw]

Sub lingual for me and if it was not enough I vape the Harm aline/THH gives me enough optionality for the level of weird I am looking for.
Y

Thanks for your reply. And yes, I agree that sublingual freebase is superior. Less nausea for me so far.

 

[hardyw]

11/6 Update - Two experience report.

A week or so ago I had a very weird experience with the DMT harmala combo. It felt very flat until I had a sip or two of coffee and then opened up but never really felt right. Also brought up some weird feelings about religion, temptation etc. This led to a somewhat unpleasant aftertaste that lingered all week. In hindsight this probably had more to do with set, setting and intentions than anything else.

So this morning I gave it another go and attempted to come with respect and good intentions. 40mg full spectrum harmala freebase under the tongue for 15-20 min about 30 min before my session. Then started to take a few tokes on the vape and felt the nice gentle come up. This time I did get some amazing visuals and geometry and the session was extremely profound with persistent God influence throughout. At one point I almost felt the ability to ask questions and have a dialogue with some type of higher power which was insane and so gratifying. I came away with the distinct feeling that my ego influences me by asking the wrong questions constantly in my subconscious. When I was in the DMT realm at the brink of breakthrough I felt my ego fighting to hang on with these nagging questions. It felt laughable, I was ashamed that this fear and weakness influences me in the way that I know it does. Seeing this clearly in the DMT realm was incredibly empowering. Here are the new questions that I was able to see as a simple way to be on the path that I want to be on:

- Does it help you accomplish the goal? (and what is the goal)
- Does it help others?
- Is it true? (and what is true?) If you don’t know what is true then ask God earnestly. God does not make too difficult of terms with those who seek him.

There are things in your life right now that you know are not true. OK, let’s attack these things. And let’s attack fear. When you are in a place that is free of fear, that is the best feeling in the world. A feeling of peace and agency “an individual’s capability, autonomy, and willpower to make choices, take initiative, and execute actions to achieve a goal.”

As I've heard described by Minty and others, the DMT Harmala combo seems to have a very strong God influence for me. I can feel God in these experiences and that is a very positive and powerful thing for me.

The confidence and fear eradication effect from this experience allowed me to try some things which had felt scary to me including:

Breakthrough level experience with eyes open
Breakthrough level experience with no music (silence) as it turned out, the silence I had been afraid of was wonderful. It did impact the feel of the experience and it felt sort of mechanical in a way, at one point I was looking at this vast geometric machine with an impossible amount of levers, dials, pulleys, gadgets all moving in unison. Sort of industrial type trip like I've heard some describe about a DPT experience. It was gray and did not have a ton of color but was still amazing to look at. I wonder if there is a relationship between music and color in the DMT realm and in my brain?

Anyway, that's enough from me. Just wanted to update this thread with my recent experiences. Hopefully this isn't personal growth focused in a way that is off-putting. I'm now convinced more than ever that DMT is a sacred path to spirituality and the earth that must be respected. Onward and upward. Thanks for reading.

 

[TransistorBass]

Thanks for the lovely write-ups, sounds like you hit your stride so onward and upwards

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Thanks for the write-ups

- Harmalas with other simple tryptamines - MPT / MET

Just be careful with MET, as it is a serotonin-releasing agent - albeit a moderate one.

- Freebase full spectrum harmalas instead of HCL (ROA uncertain)

It can be done in the exact same way you did with HCL, the water has just to be acidic to dissolve the freebase. Usually, I dissolve the freebase in a few lemon juice and add a few water once dissolved.

 

[yatyas314]

11/6 Update - Two experience report.

So this morning I gave it another go and attempted to come with respect and good intentions. 40mg full spectrum harmala freebase under the tongue for 15-20 min about 30 min before my session.

As I've heard described by Minty and others, the DMT Harmala combo seems to have a very strong God influence for me. I can feel God in these experiences and that is a very positive and powerful thing for me.

Sounds Awesome, these two things stood out to me as really relatable.
The first MAOI I had ever done was the freebase sub lingually, I ended up going to HCL shortly after. I looked back at my log and found doses ranging from 40mg total to 100 harmaline/50THH Total sublingual all with a minimum of 20 min prior to DMT.

One of the first times I added in THH I felt the closest thing to "god" I was filled with light it was coming out of my eyes and mouth. I don't really remember how I even saw myself in that way but I was filled with light and I have been almost chasing it ever since with no luck.
Safe travels.
Y

 

[hardyw]

Sounds Awesome, these two things stood out to me as really relatable.
The first MAOI I had ever done was the freebase sub lingually, I ended up going to HCL shortly after. I looked back at my log and found doses ranging from 40mg total to 100 harmaline/50THH Total sublingual all with a minimum of 20 min prior to DMT.

One of the first times I added in THH I felt the closest thing to "god" I was filled with light it was coming out of my eyes and mouth. I don't really remember how I even saw myself in that way but I was filled with light and I have been almost chasing it ever since with no luck.
Safe travels.
Y

I was under the impression that 50mg total was a high dose for sublingual freebase but some of that came from AI so may not be reliable. I did not get any nausea at 40 mg so I plan to try 50 next time. Unfortunately when mixing the HCL with water and swallowing I do tend to get nausea (have tried 100 and 150mg harmine HCL so far).

I have heard THH has some very interesting effects on the experience including enhancing color which sounds very appealing. Unfortunately since my full spectrum mix that I currently have is derived from syrian rue the THH content is extremely low. With traditional ayahuasca I believe color is a theme usually and this makes sense based on the high THH content in banisteriopsis caapi. Need to continue playing with these variables.

Thank you for your reply!

 

[yatyas314]

I was under the impression that 50mg total was a high dose for sublingual freebase but some of that came from AI so may not be reliable. I did not get any nausea at 40 mg so I plan to try 50 next time. Unfortunately when mixing the HCL with water and swallowing I do tend to get nausea (have tried 100 and 150mg harmine HCL so far).

I have heard THH has some very interesting effects on the experience including enhancing color which sounds very appealing. Unfortunately since my full spectrum mix that I currently have is derived from syrian rue the THH content is extremely low. With traditional ayahuasca I believe color is a theme usually and this makes sense based on the high THH content in banisteriopsis caapi. Need to continue playing with these variables.

Thank you for your reply!

I slowly titrated up, Also I always just go under my tongue with HCL I never mix with water and swallow. I try and not swallow period for as long as I can~ 10-15 minutes.
Great log/report

 

[hardyw]

I slowly titrated up, Also I always just go under my tongue with HCL I never mix with water and swallow. I try and not swallow period for as long as I can~ 10-15 minutes.
Great log/report

Have you tried b. Caapi extract? Or only the rue based alkaloids ?

 

[yatyas314]

Have you tried b. Caapi extract? Or only the rue based alkaloids ?

I did not extract them myself I was always under the assumption that the HCL was from rue and the THH was from B.Caapi, until your question then I looked and found that they are all from Rue. So I have not.

 

[hardyw]

I did not extract them myself I was always under the assumption that the HCL was from rue and the THH was from B.Caapi, until your question then I looked and found that they are all from Rue. So I have not.

I have heard some reports (albeit anecdotal / subjective) that as an MAOI - rue and caapi have a very different "character"

Rue has been described as sort of cold and like a disciplinarian, pointing out failures, opportunities to improve etc

Caapi has been described as warmer and like a cosmic hug by some. I am going to attempt to use a caapi 30x extract paste for a future session to see if I can pick up on these distinctions.

 

[northape]

I have heard some reports (albeit anecdotal / subjective) that as an MAOI - rue and caapi have a very different "character"

Rue has been described as sort of cold and like a disciplinarian, pointing out failures, opportunities to improve etc

Caapi has been described as warmer and like a cosmic hug by some. I am going to attempt to use a caapi 30x extract paste for a future session to see if I can pick up on these distinctions.

I would shift them: rue feels warm and caapi is quite cold. Although it's a generalization and you can find a different variety of both.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. All these experiences are deeply personal and you had better see for yourself.
Caapi does have a nice euphoric tone to it that most likely comes from THH. However, caapi is more demanding, heavier, shamanic, and will lead you deeper. Rue is simple and straightforward in comparison. I base my descriptions on oral use, though. Good luck

 

[yatyas314]

Sounds like an opportunity to do some work and report back

 

[hardyw]

Sounds like an opportunity to do some work and report back

Challenge accepted