VDS thread AI-generated tek - needs human review

[q21q21]

Hey everybody, after trying and failing to seperate my harmalas into harmine and harmaline properly and doubledog recommending I check out the VDS thread about it, I did. It is a gigantic thread with a lot of information that went over my head, much of it about the harmaline to THH conversion. As a life-long poor reader, I utilized the power of AI to help sift through it to harvest the important harmine-harmine seperation info.

I gradually fed all 34 pages and had them analyzed by deepseek AI and asked for it to recommend the simplest methods based on the VDS thread and out popped what is posted below. I made some edits for clarity, but didn't change any of the core method.

Naturally AIs will make mistakes and I won't be performing a seperation until I finish a 1k rue extraction sometime in about a month (vacation soon!), I wonder if anyone could look through the "teks" and see if anything needs to be added, removed or clarified. After getting some tips, I see if I can take pictures of the seperation and add my recent write-up.

Thanks!

How to Separate Harmine and Harmaline with Baking Soda Only

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Step 1: Make Your "Harmala Tea"

1. Put your mixed rue harmala powder in a jar
2. Add ½ cup hot tap water (hot but not boiling) for every gram of harmalas
3. Add ½ teaspoon vinegar per gram of harmalas, stir
4. Keep adding vinegar ¼ teaspoon until:
   • All powder dissolves
   • Looks like weak iced tea
   • No lumps or undissolved bits

Note: depending on how many purification steps (acid/base cycles and Manskes) then you may or may not need to filter some black gunk from the harmala-vinegar tea

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Making Baking Soda Water

1. In a separate cup, mix:
   • 1 teaspoon baking soda
   • ¼ cup warm water

Note: it's okay if not all of it dissolves

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Step 2: Getting Harmine Out

1. Add baking soda water ONE DROP AT A TIME to your harmala tea
2. STIR CONSTANTLY (bubbles will form - that's CO₂ gas)
3. WATCH FOR:

First Cloudiness (Harmine Starting):

• Liquid gets milky like adding milk to tea
• Tiny brown flecks appear (like pepper flakes)
• Fizzing increases (this is GOOD - means it's working)

4. Keep adding drops until fizzing almost stops
5. Wait 1 minute, watch for brown "snow" settling
6. STOP when brown powder stops forming

What Harmine Looks Like:

• Color: Like instant coffee powder
• Texture: Sandy, settles fast
• In jar: Brown layer at bottom within 10 minutes

1. Filter the liquid through a coffee filter
2. Save the brown powder which is Mostly Harmine

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Step 4: Getting Harmaline Out

1. Take the liquid that went through filter
2. Add MORE baking soda water (again, drop by drop), still stirring
3. WATCH FOR:

Second Cloudiness (Harmaline Starting):

• Liquid gets cloudy again but lighter color
• Looks like very fine glitter in water
• Takes longer to form than harmine
• May look like faint smoke in the water

4. Keep adding until cloudiness stops increasing
5. WAIT LONGER- harmaline settles slowly:

• 30 minutes to see powder at bottom
• Overnight is even better

6. Filter the liquid through a clean coffee filter
7. Save the light powder which is Mostly Harmaline










How to Separate Harmine and Harmaline Using Ammonia

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BE CAREFUL: your ammonia must be pure without any additives or else those nasty things will very likely be in your end product. Due your due diligence and check carefully!


Step 1: Make Your "Harmala Tea"

1. Put your mixed rue harmala powder in a jar
2. Add ½ cup hot tap water (hot but not boiling) for every gram of harmalas
3. Add ½ teaspoon vinegar per gram of harmalas, stir
   • All powder dissolves
   • Looks like weak iced tea
   • No lumps or undissolved bits

Note: depending on how many purification steps (acid/base cycles and Manskes) then you may or may not need to filter some black gunk from the harmala-vinegar tea

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Step 2: The Magic Separation

Part A: Getting the Harmine Out

1. Add ammonia ONE DROP AT A TIME to your "harmala tea"
2. Stir gently after each drop
3. WATCH FOR THE CHANGE:

First Sign (Harmine starting):

• Liquid gets cloudy/milky
• You'll see tiny brown specks forming
• Like sprinkling cocoa powder into milk

Second Sign (Harmine ready):

1. • Brown specks turn into fluffy brown snow settling to bottom
   • Looks like instant cocoa powder in hot water
   • Settles quickly (5-10 minutes)
2. STOP ADDING AMMONIA when brown "snow" stops growing
3. Wait 10 minutes for it to settle
4. Carefully pour the liquid through a coffee filter
5. Save the brown stuff in the filter - this is Mostly Harmine

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Part B: Getting the Harmaline Out

1. The liquid that went through the filter goes back in a clean jar
2. Continue adding ammonia ONE DROP AT A TIME, still stirring
3. WATCH FOR THE CHANGE:

Harmaline Signs:

• Liquid gets cloudy again (whiter than before)
• Tiny yellow-white flakes appear
• Looks like very fine glitter suspended
• Takes longer to settle (may stay floating for hours)'

4. Keep adding ammonia until no new flakes form
5. Let sit overnight if possible (harmaline settles slowly)
6. Filter through clean coffee filter
7. Save the light-colored stuff - this is Mostly Harmaline

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Cleaning & Drying

1. Put each filter (with powder) over a clean jar
   • This washes out leftover vinegar/salts
2. Let drain completely
3. Spread powders on plate to air dry (1-2 days)
4. DO NOT USE HEAT - it can ruin them
5. When completely dry, store in small jars or bags

 

[Varallo]

You’re posting a long chunk of output from a large language model and then asking people whether it’s correct. Personally, I don’t think that’s a very productive way to have a discussion. So I’m thinking of closing this thread.

If you have a question about your procedure, then write out the procedure clearly and indicate where you think things might be going wrong. From there, you can take the next step.

If you feel differently, feel free to send me an private message and explain why.