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But if a true esoteric understanding ever got a foothold in the world, I believe something significant would happen. I could hardly guess what that'd be, but I don't think it'd be a continuation of the status quo.
That's why our age is Kali Yuga, a downfall of spirituality and everything connected to it. Some say we're in a transition period to the next Yuga, which is even worse.
Any transition is chaotic and bloody. People are stark materialists, politicians are immoral, and the degradation of nature continues - the list is endless.
Yet, the masses bury their heads in the sand. It's easier not to think, believing someone else will figure it out.
This makes us easy to manipulate, which is of course done for financial gain. Kali Yuga indeed!
100%. Though I'm also a believer that our prehistorical past is probably more astonishing than we realize, and there may have even been a time when authentic spiritual transformation was common.
See how archaeology goes against any real research into the prehistoric past, and how it's backed by big money. They want the status quo to remain for easier governing.
Who wants to admit that we're not the cream, but the low-quality bottom of a cake? For example, some books on Slavic history were banned and erased from the world.
I'd love to read what Europeans were so afraid of. What about the Library of Alexandria?

What's happening today is nothing new. See how the Taliban destroyed Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan. These countries weren't Muslim at all. They were at the heart of the Buddhist world. Some people came and eradicated their culture. Europeans did the same for most of the world (the Americas, Oceania, Africa).
 
That's why our age is Kali Yuga, a downfall of spirituality and everything connected to it. Some say we're in a transition period to the next Yuga, which is even worse.
Any transition is chaotic and bloody. People are stark materialists, politicians are immoral, and the degradation of nature continues - the list is endless.
Yet, the masses bury their heads in the sand. It's easier not to think, believing someone else will figure it out.
This makes us easy to manipulate, which is of course done for financial gain. Kali Yuga indeed!
I'm also a believer in the likelihood for cycles of spiritual awareness, but I thought Kali Yuga was supposed to be the one involving the most ignorance. Or when you say it'll be even worse, are you referring to the transitional stage between now and the next Yuga?

See how archaeology goes against any real research into the prehistoric past, and how it's backed by big money. They want the status quo to remain for easier governing.
Who wants to admit that we're not the cream, but the low-quality bottom of a cake? For example, some books on Slavic history were banned and erased from the world.
I'd love to read what Europeans were so afraid of. What about the Library of Alexandria?

What's happening today is nothing new. See how the Taliban destroyed Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan. These countries weren't Muslim at all. They were at the heart of the Buddhist world. Some people came and eradicated their culture. Europeans did the same for most of the world (the Americas, Oceania, Africa).
Yep, I think we're on exactly the same page as far as lost knowledge. I hear a vast number of historical artifacts were destroyed during Iraq as well. I wonder how large of a puzzle piece we're missing regarding the past.
 
That's why our age is Kali Yuga, a downfall of spirituality and everything connected to it. Some say we're in a transition period to the next Yuga, which is even worse.
Any transition is chaotic and bloody. People are stark materialists, politicians are immoral, and the degradation of nature continues - the list is endless.
Yet, the masses bury their heads in the sand. It's easier not to think, believing someone else will figure it out.
This makes us easy to manipulate, which is of course done for financial gain. Kali Yuga indeed!

See how archaeology goes against any real research into the prehistoric past, and how it's backed by big money. They want the status quo to remain for easier governing.
Who wants to admit that we're not the cream, but the low-quality bottom of a cake? For example, some books on Slavic history were banned and erased from the world.
I'd love to read what Europeans were so afraid of. What about the Library of Alexandria?

What's happening today is nothing new. See how the Taliban destroyed Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan. These countries weren't Muslim at all. They were at the heart of the Buddhist world. Some people came and eradicated their culture. Europeans did the same for most of the world (the Americas, Oceania, Africa).
I get where you're coming from, but I think framing it in terms of "clash of civilizations" is not the best way to look at it.

Despite the many conquests and cultures wiping other cultures throughout the centuries, nothing comes even close to the degree of success spreading and destroying any other culture in the planet of the so called "European" (techno-industrial would be more correct) civilization. As I see it, the reason for this has little to do with groups of people: impersonal forces (capital and technique) have been unleashed that have their own needs and ends. They grow, develop, and spread through human action, but they don't belong to humans. Those apparently "in power" are actually in a Faustian pact where they enjoy personal benefits in exchange of managing and advancing the interests of this impersonal system. It truly is like the wizard's apprentice unleashing forces that it can't control.

That's why all efforts of blaming or getting rid of a specific group or set of individuals have to be seen as a distraction at best, when not directly an expression of what the system needs at a given moment. From my point of view, humanity has become completely enmeshed with and dependent on a non-human (superhuman), impersonal parasite that slowly destroys its host. And it seems that getting rid of it would likely be a catastrophe for humanity itself, unless done by a humanity that has transformed and awakened to itself, as was being talked about before. My hopes for that aren't high.
 
I'm also a believer in the likelihood for cycles of spiritual awareness, but I thought Kali Yuga was supposed to be the one involving the most ignorance. Or when you say it'll be even worse, are you referring to the transitional stage between now and the next Yuga?
Yes, I was talking about the supposed transition period of 500 years. It starts somewhere near 2025 and will bring lots of disturbance.
Many traditions have similar predictions, so I tend to believe there is something in it.

@blig-blug I totally agree with your reasoning. It's just that these ideas live in our minds and this system lives in our psyche.
Somehow, it was a European mindset that was a fertile ground for the West.
My point was mostly about the destruction of the old world and the total removal of any memory about it.
 
With all our tech, we are more divided than ever. I can't even transfer money to certain countries.
Some guys in Brussels decide who is good or bad every couple of decades, and we all sing their hymns.
I don't want any catastrophes, but I long for one 😤
 
Somehow, it was a European mindset that was a fertile ground for the Western world.
Yes, and that is a very interesting question in itself. China got really close: they were ahead in what we now would call science for most of history until around the 16th century (when modern science starts developing in the West), and they got close to industrial production techniques: see, for example, the mass production of standardized porcelain dishes. It's not clear why it didn't start there, my personal opinion leans to a mix of ideological and political issues that are quite off-topic here, but it's an interesting question to consider. Anyone interested should check the works of Joseph Needham (Science and Civilisation in China), who was the pioneer in investigating this question.
By the way, most contemporary historians and sinologists consider that "it's not a valid question", and just refuse to engage with it.

My point was mostly about the destruction of the old world and the total removal of any memory about it.
I have observed two very popular types of history book and blog post.
In the first, our current society is projected into the past, and our ancestors are assumed to share contemporary values and aspirations. Sometimes even economics are projected into the past, and primitive humans are imagined to live as individual producers of goods that barter the product they're specialized in on some kind of market.
In the second, a given period in history is described as complete hell, where every person apparently suffered for every second of their existence. They are also imagined as dumb, unable to see beyond their supposed ignorance. As an example of this genre, I read a blog post where an actual historian explained how "clothes lasted very little in the Middle Ages" because "soap contained lye back then". This is wrong on many levels.
 
I'm with you Ape. Been dreaming of the apocalypse for my whole life.

I dont mean just desiring it, I mean literal night time dreams about it. I've been nuked and survived in a basement. Been in dark fire fights with unreliable weapons.

I don't want the horrors. I dont want humanity to suffer. But my soul does desire a complete reset of the current system. I know I would survive to see the grass growing green again.
 
With all our tech, we are more divided than ever. I can't even transfer money to certain countries.
Some guys in Brussels decide who is good or bad every couple of decades, and we all sing their hymns.
I don't want any catastrophes, but I long for one 😤
When it comes to technology and an appropriate amount of development to use it, I think it's an interesting question of the chicken or the egg. Do we need advanced technology to fully blossom into what we're supposed to be, or is mass spiritual awakening required to safely use advanced technology? If I had to guess, I suspect spirituality needs to take the lead, but I'm also not entirely sure. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think there comes a point where the two fuse together and work synergistically.
 
When it comes to technology and an appropriate amount of development to use it, I think it's an interesting question of the chicken or the egg. Do we need advanced technology to fully blossom into what we're supposed to be, or is mass spiritual awakening required to safely use advanced technology? If I had to guess, I suspect spirituality needs to take the lead, but I'm also not entirely sure. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think there comes a point where the two fuse together and work synergistically.
China got really close: they were ahead in what we now would call science for most of history until around the 16th century (when modern science starts developing in the West)
I think these two quotes complement each other. Somehow, the West disconnected from a nature-based worldview and the Spirit. All the advancements we see today come out of this separation. Even if most early scientists were highly religious, the direction was set towards materialism. I think we as humans could go the other way and develop the Spirit, like Tibetans. It's not like they had no problems, but no ecological collapse came out of their world.
 
I'm with you Ape. Been dreaming of the apocalypse for my whole life.

I dont mean just desiring it, I mean literal night time dreams about it. I've been nuked and survived in a basement. Been in dark fire fights with unreliable weapons.

I don't want the horrors. I dont want humanity to suffer. But my soul does desire a complete reset of the current system. I know I would survive to see the grass growing green again.
I can relate. Now I'm much better and don't think so much about these themes, but I still get triggered sometimes.
This world is just so broken, far beyond any notion of samsara in old scriptures.
It's all the same problems, but we've set the heat to the max too.
 
I think these two quotes complement each other. Somehow, the West disconnected from a nature-based worldview and the Spirit. All the advancements we see today come out of this separation. Even if most early scientists were highly religious, the direction was set towards materialism. I think we as humans could go the other way and develop the Spirit, like Tibetans. It's not like they had no problems, but no ecological collapse came out of their world.
For sure, I agree wholeheartedly. Humanity's overall development has become lopsided to the degree of being comical. An obscene number of people are ignorant of their ignorance, which makes it virtually impossible for them to even take the first steps towards a larger reality.
 
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think there comes a point where the two fuse together and work synergistically.
I respect your view, and I used to share it myself. But nowadays I don't think so.

Knowledge gives the ability to predict, control, and master something. I see two types of knowledge: external and internal knowledge. You could easily call them exoteric and esoteric knowledge, to follow other topics that have been talked about here.

External knowledge gives power over physical reality, including other human beings. It can be systematized and transmitted, and thus accumulated quickly. Our societies have become very good at it, to the point where we have created a system of technique that keeps advancing on its own. As not participating in it to the fullest extent possible means risking being dominated by those who do. In the past many techniques could coexist, there was freedom to choose amongst them. For example, newer axe production techniques coexisted with older ones for tens of thousands of years: the new didn't immediately displace the old (although we can see the very first seeds already). With the advent of modern technique, there is just "the technically superior way" for any situation, taking any other means risking domination. Freedom of choice has ended there, now we serve technique.

Internal knowledge gives power over one's own mind and spirit. It can't be systematized, and transmission is difficult: while there can be signposts and masters, it's an eminently subjective and practical knowledge. It doesn't accumulate quickly, as every person needs to tread the path by themselves. However, I think this is the knowledge that can lead to actual realization of any human hopes and needs.

It's clear that both are required to survive, and humanity has made use of both of them since the beginning. But they're asymmetrical: the first can quickly accumulate, and makes it possible to dominate others. I think a balanced society would use the first one very prudently and carefully, as the extremely dangerous thing that it is. And only to the extent that is absolutely required. While exploring and developing the second would be the main focus of both society and the individual.
 
Said in a different way: I think in technical matters we should move from the pursue of optimality to being satisifed with the "good enough". And I think the "good enough" has existed already for a long time.
 
In reality, I just want a cabin near a mountain and some peaceful life. It's close to impossible and costs a fortune.
The modern world is not for people who want to live close to the Earth. We are born to be consumers here.

@blig-blug, you're right on point. Wisdom should be the cornerstone of civilization.
 
External knowledge gives power over physical reality, including other human beings. It can be systematized and transmitted, and thus accumulated quickly. Our societies have become very good at it, to the point where we have created a system of technique that keeps advancing on its own. As not participating in it to the fullest extent possible means risking being dominated by those who do. In the past many techniques could coexist, there was freedom to choose amongst them. For example, newer axe production techniques coexisted with older ones for tens of thousands of years: the new didn't immediately displace the old (although we can see the very first seeds already). With the advent of modern technique, there is just "the technically superior way" for any situation, taking any other means risking domination. Freedom of choice has ended there, now we serve technique.
Interesting points. You can see this really playing out fast in the area of AI. There have recently been periods of time where obsolescence occurs within a matter of weeks, and the old is quickly discarded lest the designers be left behind.

Said in a different way: I think in technical matters we should move from the pursue of optimality to being satisifed with the "good enough". And I think the "good enough" has existed already for a long time.
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Your post better fleshes out my suspicion that spirituality needs to take the lead. When you think about it, I suppose it's obvious that the quality of one's experience of reality itself needs to be sharpened to allow all things to properly flow. By lacking that vital piece, endeavors are doomed to mediocrity and ultimately failure.
 
Interesting points. You can see this really playing out fast in the area of AI. There have recently been periods of time where obsolescence occurs within a matter of weeks, and the old is quickly discarded lest the designers be left behind.
The pace is insane. If you think otherwise, go talk to a teenager. They live in a virtual tech world nowadays 😎
 
Same, the connection between the two has been an interest of mine for a very long time.
I absolutely love the alien/ufo topic!

I have mentioned this before but I had a DMT experience where it felt like an abduction. I was on board what I can only assume was a ship, it felt that way, the room I was in was round and was brightly lit, the room was simple, just a few of what looked like machines in the room and I was surrounded by four or five alien greys. I felt as though I was on an operating room table. I say this because of the bright lights and machines, it reminded me of a surgical room.

I had no body. I felt like I was an orb, felt like I could see in every directions at once. One alien spoke to me, although it's mouth never moved, the rest of the aliens seemed busy doing things I did not understand. I have to admit having some fear enter into my mind, the fear came from shock and feeling unsure of what was going on and I wanted to leave. One of the aliens was attempting to get me to calm down. It said 'Please calm down, we are almost finished', then turned to another alien and said we are loosing him, hurry up.' Then said 'We are done, thank you so much for coming, we are so glad to see you!' The fear instantly vanished and I felt love wash over me, it felt like I was being cared for and understood this.

The effects of the DMT wore off and I was grinning from ear to ear. It was just so crazy real and I remembered so much from the trip and usually do not. I don't think I ever went on an alien ship or was abducted, I just chalked it up to my imagination running away with my fascination with aliens my whole life. All my favorite movies are alien related, I collect alien knick knacks, novelties and whatnot. I have traveled around the US going to UFO hot spots. I just like it a lot, always have since seeing E.T. when I was a kid, I was about the same age as the main character Eliot at the time.

I think NDE, sleep paralysis and alien abduction phenomenon could possibly connected to DMT in some way. This video seems to be making some connections with aliens and DMT which is pretty cool and interesting.

Anyway.. I try and not get carried away with the alien stuff. It is one of my special interests and I KNOW I will go overboard talking about it so I will stop there. I have a tendency to get carried away with my special interests. This video is so up my alley.

P.S. From the video: You don't break through into the DMT world, the DMT world breaks through into you. :love:
 
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I absolutely love the alien/ufo topic!

I have mentioned this before but I had a DMT experience where it felt like an abduction. I was on board what I can only assume was a ship, it felt that way, the room I was in was round and was brightly lit, the room was simple, just a few of what looked like machines in the room and I was surrounded by four or five alien greys. I felt as though I was on an operating room table. I say this because of the bright lights and machines, it reminded me of a surgical room.

I had no body. I felt like I was an orb, felt like I could see in every directions at once. One alien spoke to me, although it's mouth never moved, the rest of the aliens seemed busy doing things I did not understand. I have to admit having some fear enter into my mind, the fear came from shock and feeling unsure of what was going on and I wanted to leave. One of the aliens was attempting to get me to calm down. It said 'Please calm down, we are almost finished', then turned to another alien and said we are loosing him, hurry up.' Then said 'We are done, thank you so much for coming, we are so glad to see you!' The fear instantly vanished and I felt love wash over me, it felt like I was being cared for and understood this.

The effects of the DMT wore off and I was grinning from ear to ear. It was just so crazy real and I remembered so much from the trip and usually do not. I don't think I ever went on an alien ship or was abducted, I just chalked it up to my imagination running away with my fascination with aliens my whole life. All my favorite movies are alien related, I collect alien knick knacks, novelties and whatnot. I have traveled around the US going to UFO hot spots. I just like it a lot, always have since seeing E.T. when I was a kid, I was about the same age as the main character Eliot at the time.

I think NDE, sleep paralysis and alien abduction phenomenon could possibly connected to DMT in some way. This video seems to be making some connections with aliens and DMT which is pretty cool and interesting.

Anyway.. I try and not get carried away with the alien stuff. It is one of my special interests and I KNOW I will go overboard talking about it so I will stop there. I have a tendency to get carried away with my special interests. This video is so up my alley.
WOW! That's some vivid imagery. All things considered, I'd be inclined to believe you had a genuine experience aboard a craft, albeit in a disembodied state. I suspect the ability to interact with beings in gradations of embodiment is something that comes with the territory for intelligences that are that much further along in their development.

That's so awesome how you had an experience of that kind. The closest I've gotten to first-hand experience was during two separate incidents of sleep paralysis. They were the typical type where you see a short being making its way over to you in your bedroom. For the first one, I was absolutely filled with terror, possibly because I was unable to move. For the second one, I remember being filled with love and calmness. But for both of them, unfortunately, I have no memories beyond being paralyzed in my bed. I wish there were more to the story that I could readily access.

I do agree; I think DMT has relevance to NDEs, sleep paralysis, UFOs, etc. There's almost certainly some kind of connection there, even if its complexities aren't clear yet.
 
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