Video with DMT researcher Andrew Gallimore

[Voidmatrix]

Even the very idea of other exists only within me.

The problem of other minds and solipsism can't really be "solved."

When it comes to the video, I dislike these fringe states. There are not two consciousnesses within you - it is all one. What we call the ordinary or mundane self is merely a superimposition upon pure awareness. The base is always the same. If there is an owner, doer, or seer present, then the ego is active. True dissolution leaves only awareness intact. So I do wonder how far we actually go

Isn't this a bit conditional?

I haven't watched the podcast yet. Still doing my silence thing. I think Gallimore might be both off his rocker and somewhat onto something as well, at least that's my view after reading Alien Information Theory, which while there are some assumptive flaws that I've noticed, it is overall a well thought out idea. Unfortunately, to really confirm it we need more time and study, if it's possible to confirm outside the prerequisite of being true.

One love

 

[northape]

I haven't watched the podcast yet. Still doing my silence thing. I think Gallimore might be both off his rocker and somewhat onto something as well, at least that's my view after reading Alien Information Theory, which while there are some assumptive flaws that I've noticed, it is overall a well thought out idea. Unfortunately, to really confirm it we need more time and study, if it's possible to confirm outside the prerequisite of being true.

I'm here to promote dogmatism, as always

Here's the video I was referring to:

I just don't know about separating anything inside the mind. The mind is whole and everything is part of it.

 

[Voidmatrix]

The mind is whole and everything is part of it.

Parmenedes would love you.

One love

 

[northape]

Parmenedes would love you.

One love

Knowing those Greeks, his love would most likely go beyond platonic

 

[universecannon]

It's definitely possible to move around during a deep breakthrough and maintain awareness of your body to some degree. Sometimes awareness of the body isn't there, but not always. There's a lot of factors and scenarios though. I've had some, especially when laying down in the dark, where there definitely was no awareness of my body or normal sense of self during the peak. Then others were different.

I don't think even the ancient texts and prophets report no awareness of their body right? Just that they become one with/what the universe is doing on a fundamental level that we can barely access now. But they claim to have made it a stable state that they could function in...

As an anecdote to movement, I accidentally stared into my friends eyes after smoking 50mg in one hit and standing up in a panic about 15 years ago. Our gaze met and I watched him/us turn into god/nature/brahman/infinite white light etc. Then my ego reasserted itself, proceeded to panic even more, and somehow ran out of the room. Weirdest walk of my life. Panic is powerful

I can't really comment on Gallimore or the other videos. I find myself very uninterested in most interpretations of what is happening with DMT lately tbh and usually end up disagreeing with both sides.

 

[northape]

I don't think even the ancient texts and prophets report no awareness of their body right? Just that they become one with/what the universe is doing on a fundamental level that we can barely access now. But they claim to have made it a stable state that they could function in...

From my understanding, there is no "I" in there, so they don't really consider the body "mine." Sri Ramana and Anandamayi Ma used to refer to themselves in the 3rd person. At that level, there should be no difference between anyone. Sri Ramana never took any disciples because, from his perspective, there weren't any. We're all dream characters here, and the dreamer is One. What we access under psychedelics is a good question

 

[Here&Now]

I don't think even the ancient texts and prophets report no awareness of their body right? Just that they become one with/what the universe is doing on a fundamental level that we can barely access now. But they claim to have made it a stable state that they could function in...

I think there are such states where that exact scenario occurs of having no awareness of the body, but they're temporary. Nirvikalpa samadhi is supposedly just like that. I believe those monks who set themselves on fire in the 60s would be an example and demonstration of it.

 

[Here&Now]

From my understanding, there is no "I" in there, so they don't really consider the body "mine." Sri Ramana and Anandamayi Ma used to refer to themselves in the 3rd person. At that level, there should be no difference between anyone. Sri Ramana never took any disciples because, from his perspective, there weren't any. We're all dream characters here, and the dreamer is One. What we access under psychedelics is a good question

This is definitely the case as well. I think an "individual's" awareness can become purified to the point where they're essentially not really there at all, even when living their daily lives.

 

[northape]

I think there are such states where that exact scenario occurs, but they're temporary. Nirvikalpa samadhi is supposedly just like that. I believe those monks who set themselves on fire in the 60s would be an example and demonstration of it.

I agree. In trance states, there should be nothing at all, similar to deep sleep. There are countless stories of people going into samadhi and waking up years later without any recollection of what happened. It's actually a meditative fault pointed out in both Buddhism and Vedanta.

Edit: I remembered; that state is called manolaya in Vedanta.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Guess we won't really know until we get there

One love

 

[northape]

Guess we won't really know until we get there

One love

I just doubt that DMT is about that quest. Maybe as a preliminary of sorts. Medicine does develop awareness or helps it to mature. I have no idea, honestly

 

[Transform]

I have no idea, honestly

Me neither - this becomes one of my most useful starting points. None of us can really ever know what may have happened had we not decided to take the medicine.

 

[Here&Now]

I just doubt that DMT is about that quest. Maybe as a preliminary of sorts. Medicine does develop awareness or helps it to mature. I have no idea, honestly

Seems like this might be a continuation of a conversation that occurred elsewhere?

When it comes to a substance that directly assists with the goal of the world's mystical traditions, I would agree that DMT is somewhat limited in the sense that the states it produces don't directly overlap. What it does produce is clearly spiritual and profound beyond comprehension, and it's been so helpful for me psychologically, but it's just not a perfect match with classical concentration, mindfulness, and liberation practices.

5-MeO-DMT, on the other hand, is basically meditation itself in the form of a psychedelic. Many of the mystical states and stages we've been listing can be directly experienced. Still though, I'm convinced sobriety should be the ultimate goal once a certain point is reached. It's just such a stable platform to work from. I think it's easy for people like us on the forum who've seen so much to underestimate the unaltered mind.

 

[Icon]

I believe [vaping for 45 min straight] is possible. I do the same thing with the volcano bag of vapors. Half way thru the bag and I'm in. Then at some point I decide this is great! I should have done more, oh yea, there is more!
It's a momentary distraction to find the bag in my lap and lift it to my lips. But I have a lot of muscle memory for that, so it sort of gets done subconsciously. When I come down and regain the capacity to wonder if there's still more, I often find I somehow finished it (without memory of consciously taking every hit). If the bag were infinite I could probably bounce back into it repeatedly.

 

[Transform]

If the bag were infinite I could probably bounce back into it repeatedly.

This sounds like an admirable design challenge - infini-vape, here we come!

 

[northape]

Seems like this might be a continuation of a conversation that occurred elsewhere?

Most likely, we revisit this theme quite often, it seems

When it comes to a substance that directly assists with the goal of the world's mystical traditions, I would agree that DMT is somewhat limited in the sense that the states it produces don't directly overlap. What it does produce is clearly spiritual and profound beyond comprehension, and it's been so helpful for me psychologically, but it's just not a perfect match with classical concentration, mindfulness, and liberation practices.

That's my feeling, too. DMT or mushrooms feel more like a school to mature a soul. At some point, you need to stand on your two feet and go on by yourself.

5-MeO-DMT, on the other hand, is basically meditation itself in the form of a psychedelic. Many of the mystical states and stages we've been listing can be directly experienced. Still though, I'm convinced sobriety should be the ultimate goal once a certain point is reached. It's just such a stable platform to work from. I think it's easy for people like us on the forum who've seen so much to underestimate the unaltered mind.

5-MeO-DMT would be nice to see the possibilities, but even that is not a necessity. Like you said, the sober state is underrated, and it is a much more stable platform, actually.

After all the psychedelics, I started to question this so-called sober state. It's just stable and what we humans are accustomed to. It's as wild as any psychedelic when you start to dig deeper. Just sitting in silence for some time could give a rollercoaster of emotions, thoughts, and all possible sensations. If you ask who experiences it all and truly look, stuff just gets weird...

My medicine practice is built around awareness. I'm not interested in states where I'm not aware. You can kill me, but give me a front seat for the show.

 

[Jamie01]

it’s all a bit heady…like maybe 5-Me0-DMT is the one…no maybe it’s DMT…maybe it’s not DMT because the only true one must bring full ego dissolution lol…

Why is a ball of charas good enough for a sadhu?

Soma was probly weed…so is that state what mystical traditions are trying to achieve? Can we even frame it that way as if there is only one goal? How realistic is that?

 

[northape]

it’s all a bit heady…like maybe 5-Me0-DMT is the one…no maybe it’s DMT…maybe it’s not DMT because the only true one must bring full ego dissolution lol…

Why is a ball of charas good enough for a sadhu?

Soma was probly weed…so is that state what mystical traditions are trying to achieve? Can we even frame it that way as if there is only one goal? How realistic is that?

In my opinion, it's all about awareness. You can nurture it in any state because it's the basis of them all, although some states give a much more in-your-face experience of awareness. Basically, everything works, and it all depends on personal needs and preferences.

This headiness is superficial, and going to the heart of things provides a real maturation. Still, as long as we're thinking humans, why not reason and explore?

 

[Transform]

Soma was probly weed…so is that state what mystical traditions are trying to achieve? Can we even frame it that way as if there is only one goal? How realistic is that?

It seems people over the millennia have found altered states interesting, and then sometimes written holy books about it. Naturally there can be a diversity of opinions about both the veracity and the utility of any of it. The ways of embracing existence - and releasing that embrace - are practically infinite.

What @northape points out regarding awareness resonates in that by altering the state of consciousness we can begin to notice what awareness consists of and thereby develop it in the same way we can train our physical bodies. Indeed, the two practices need not be separate, as I'm sure you all appreciate.

Mostly I'm typing this to explore the fact that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Here&Now]

it’s all a bit heady…like maybe 5-Me0-DMT is the one…no maybe it’s DMT…maybe it’s not DMT because the only true one must bring full ego dissolution lol…

Why is a ball of charas good enough for a sadhu?

Soma was probly weed…so is that state what mystical traditions are trying to achieve? Can we even frame it that way as if there is only one goal? How realistic is that?

My continued praise for 5-MeO-DMT is mainly because the results it produces, even if temporary, align so well with perennial concepts of enlightenment. It's like a sneak peek at what would happen if someone were to devote themselves entirely to mystical pursuits.

At least that's how it works for me. If I remember correctly, you actually have some experience with 5-MeO-DMT, and you've even reached the point of ego death where all of reality whites out. Many people see this as a revelation of the flip-side of the coin, where everything is one (or nondual) and you are revealed to be That. But your interpretation of its significance is different, interestingly. Maybe it has somewhat various effects depending on the person, because it seems so obvious to me what it's showing.

No judgement from me though; we're all entitled to individual interpretations.