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Vinegar/lime Extraction (Q21) (pic's added)
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I was going to use time, and quite happily with no rush, although i've now switched to Q21's tek which i should be doing in a week or so, just want to practice/learn my re-Xing tek first...
I don't think anyone here suggested that heat is unecessary in an A/B, just that it speeds things up, originally i was planning on soaking for upto 7 days & doing freeze/thaw cycles so was getting replies in reference to that
I don't think anyone here suggested that heat is unecessary in an A/B, just that it speeds things up, originally i was planning on soaking for upto 7 days & doing freeze/thaw cycles so was getting replies in reference to that
Im starting this extraction today
I mixed 150g MHRB & 300ml vinegar in a hot water bath
(on a side note it was not turning red like Q21 described & the mix at 2ml vinegar/1g MHRB was quite watery not lumpy at all)
Edit: This was further discussed in the general extraction help forum Q21 Tek - Vinegar not turning bark red? - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
I then added around 200g Lime as the mix was very watery, i'm leaving this mix to sit at least overnight as i want the Naphtha to be nicely saturated when going in the freezer, i may add more Lime throughout the night as it seems to remoisten itself a fair amount somehow...
Next day:
After leaving the MRHB/Vinegar/Lime to sit overnight, i added 200ml warm Naphtha this morning, i thought that it would just disappear in the mud but its staying separate quite well, it feels nice mixing it in
After leaving the Naphtha in the mix for 45 minutes i poured off back into a beaker (i've lost around 75ml of the Naphtha in the mix). Now going to freeze precip what i pulled & hope for the best, next time i'm going to make the MHRB/Lime/Vinegar mix bone dry by adding extra Lime before i add the Naphtha to try and reduce solvent loss.
I mixed 150g MHRB & 300ml vinegar in a hot water bath
(on a side note it was not turning red like Q21 described & the mix at 2ml vinegar/1g MHRB was quite watery not lumpy at all)
Edit: This was further discussed in the general extraction help forum Q21 Tek - Vinegar not turning bark red? - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
I then added around 200g Lime as the mix was very watery, i'm leaving this mix to sit at least overnight as i want the Naphtha to be nicely saturated when going in the freezer, i may add more Lime throughout the night as it seems to remoisten itself a fair amount somehow...
Next day:
After leaving the MRHB/Vinegar/Lime to sit overnight, i added 200ml warm Naphtha this morning, i thought that it would just disappear in the mud but its staying separate quite well, it feels nice mixing it in
After leaving the Naphtha in the mix for 45 minutes i poured off back into a beaker (i've lost around 75ml of the Naphtha in the mix). Now going to freeze precip what i pulled & hope for the best, next time i'm going to make the MHRB/Lime/Vinegar mix bone dry by adding extra Lime before i add the Naphtha to try and reduce solvent loss.
I just checked onit after 10 hours in the freezer, lots of crystals on the bottom of the beaker :d (naphtha still very cloudy aswell)
I can't wait until tomorrow morning, i feel like a kid on christmas eve...
I can't wait until tomorrow morning, i feel like a kid on christmas eve...
First bit of spice porn
656mg yield from first pull.
Second pull currently in freezer...
Second pull currently in freezer...
Total yield so far after second pull 951mg
Third pull was 141mg, although i didn't warm the Naphtha or even stir it in the mud, just let it sit in there for 48 hours
I have a fourth & final pull sitting in the freezer... i won't weigh it but i'm either just shy or just over the 1% mark for 150g MHRB, either way i'm very happy with it.
I'd consider this extraction a success, going to do another couple of these to finish off all my Naphtha & this will be a nice Christmas supply of spice.
I have a fourth & final pull sitting in the freezer... i won't weigh it but i'm either just shy or just over the 1% mark for 150g MHRB, either way i'm very happy with it.
I'd consider this extraction a success, going to do another couple of these to finish off all my Naphtha & this will be a nice Christmas supply of spice.
DimethylSpice
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hey man , not bad. Good job!
Cheers, the spice was gooooood :d
I did another extraction of 150g MHRB with this tek, i mixed in straight vinegar until it was a gooey mix, not too watery but just enough for vinegar to spread, i only left it 15-30minutes & didn't mix that much, i kept it in a nice warm water bath at the beggining & tested with PH strip which went red.
Then i added 90g calcium hydroxide, it went very dry as the mix was already quite dry from the vinegar step, but i was concerned this was not enough CaOH to basify all of the mix so i added some splashes of water which made me need to add lots more calcium hydroxide to dry out the mix, probably 250-300g total, way more than necessary.
I then pulled with 300-400ml warm Naphtha, a nice juicy pull and left it on a gentle heater & stirred thoroughly over 45 minutes or so, i wasn't concerned with losing Naphtha in the mix as it was such a big pull. I think if you use Naphtha in this tek that it would be a good idea to have a nice amount of Naphtha on hand that can be recycled 3/4 times and expect to lose some along the way.
If you wanted to do smaller pulls it would be best to do very small precise/dry extractions so you don't have to actually mix the Naphtha in at all, just warm it & run it/swish it over a dry basified MHRB mix over & over.... it could be interesting to make a really dry mix that was almost powdery then just swish around warm solvent in it/filter out the bits with a coffee filter.
Anyway, i left this first pull in freezer overnight and the glass dish is now covered all over like that picture i posted a few pages up of a beaker :shock: and it has lots of floaties too.
I learned from all this that i need to buy a PH meter so i can know 100% whats going on in the mix, as i don't want to keep on using excess CaOH, it's nice to add just enough vinegar so it's a thick goo but wet enough for vinegar to access all the bark, then in this case one would only need minimal calcium hydroxide as the mix is already quite thick/dry, it could be much better to add CaOH until your PH is on point.
This is so fun.
Then i added 90g calcium hydroxide, it went very dry as the mix was already quite dry from the vinegar step, but i was concerned this was not enough CaOH to basify all of the mix so i added some splashes of water which made me need to add lots more calcium hydroxide to dry out the mix, probably 250-300g total, way more than necessary.
I then pulled with 300-400ml warm Naphtha, a nice juicy pull
and left it on a gentle heater & stirred thoroughly over 45 minutes or so, i wasn't concerned with losing Naphtha in the mix as it was such a big pull. I think if you use Naphtha in this tek that it would be a good idea to have a nice amount of Naphtha on hand that can be recycled 3/4 times and expect to lose some along the way. If you wanted to do smaller pulls it would be best to do very small precise/dry extractions so you don't have to actually mix the Naphtha in at all, just warm it & run it/swish it over a dry basified MHRB mix over & over.... it could be interesting to make a really dry mix that was almost powdery then just swish around warm solvent in it/filter out the bits with a coffee filter.
Anyway, i left this first pull in freezer overnight and the glass dish is now covered all over like that picture i posted a few pages up of a beaker :shock: and it has lots of floaties too.
I learned from all this that i need to buy a PH meter so i can know 100% whats going on in the mix, as i don't want to keep on using excess CaOH, it's nice to add just enough vinegar so it's a thick goo but wet enough for vinegar to access all the bark, then in this case one would only need minimal calcium hydroxide as the mix is already quite thick/dry, it could be much better to add CaOH until your PH is on point.
This is so fun.
Hey chronic, if you need a ph meter you can buy them for under 40 pounds at GroWell's hydroponics shop in London. I live down the road from it
Nice one, i love that place, their catalogue was like my bible for about 6 months last year
1058mg First pull, its all very white, soft & fluffy
Heres some nice pics...
Second pull was 424mg
Third pull (after leaving Naphtha in mix for 24 hours) 889mg
Heres some nice pics...
Second pull was 424mg
Third pull (after leaving Naphtha in mix for 24 hours) 889mg
Good work Chronic!
Why dont you enhance that crystal porn and redissolve that in some solvent and grow the crystals by evaporating very slowly or make alternating cycles between fridge and freezer?
Let this thread inspire you:
Why dont you enhance that crystal porn and redissolve that in some solvent and grow the crystals by evaporating very slowly or make alternating cycles between fridge and freezer?
Let this thread inspire you:
Those crystals are all amazing end
Can you grow xtals with acetone? I'm almost out of Naphtha, just enough left for a few pulls on this current extraction, although of course i'll have Naphtha left as i'm doing freeze precip.
I will give it a go, i think i'll try some at room temp slowly evapping...
I've seen some amazing crystals grown by people who said they never freeze precip & only grow crystal at room temp slowly. I think it's good to freeze precip, then re-X & grow some big crystals, there's something pure about a freeze precip.
I could see how having crystals is nice, but for pre-consumption i love this white fine powder, it's literally like white snow & i know 100% there's no trapped solvent.
Imagine if you could influence the crystal growth dr.emoto sytle, sending good vibes to a jar of crystals & see if it affects the formation...
Can you grow xtals with acetone? I'm almost out of Naphtha, just enough left for a few pulls on this current extraction, although of course i'll have Naphtha left as i'm doing freeze precip.
I will give it a go, i think i'll try some at room temp slowly evapping...
I've seen some amazing crystals grown by people who said they never freeze precip & only grow crystal at room temp slowly. I think it's good to freeze precip, then re-X & grow some big crystals, there's something pure about a freeze precip.
I could see how having crystals is nice, but for pre-consumption i love this white fine powder, it's literally like white snow & i know 100% there's no trapped solvent.
Imagine if you could influence the crystal growth dr.emoto sytle, sending good vibes to a jar of crystals & see if it affects the formation...
I think i remember it being discussed elsewhere on the nexus that you cannot grow crystals using acetone. Nice looking spice by the way!
Cheers dude, i'm gonna try some re-Xing & growing some biggies over the next week/weeks with about 500mg
I'm planning on dissolving the 250mg in a small shotglass size beaker with just enough Naphtha to dissolve it all, then put it in a cupboard & let it evap a bit every now & then... then also do another 250mg in a petri dish, should be interesting to see them grow over time in the two different containers
I'm planning on dissolving the 250mg in a small shotglass size beaker with just enough Naphtha to dissolve it all, then put it in a cupboard & let it evap a bit every now & then... then also do another 250mg in a petri dish, should be interesting to see them grow over time in the two different containers
Thanx for this thread, it was actually very helpful. I'm hoping to be doing my first extract in a week
But I've read the usual debate, with no particular conclusion, as to whether or not vinegar decreases yields , What do you say? Entirely personally?
and will an evap on the naptha give any worthwhile additions , even after freeze precip?
Sorry to hi-jack the thread , just making the most of a thread already started
But I've read the usual debate, with no particular conclusion, as to whether or not vinegar decreases yields , What do you say? Entirely personally?
and will an evap on the naptha give any worthwhile additions , even after freeze precip?
Sorry to hi-jack the thread , just making the most of a thread already started
All good, i'm happy the thread helped you out... i don't have much to compare with yield wise as the only successful extractions i've done are with the vinegar/lime dry tek. I can say that you should get a 1% or just under yield, and with a freeze precip you get nice white spice everytime, even on the third/fourth pull, the yield obviously starts dropping but you still get white DMT everytime.
I'd suggest only recycling the Naphtha you use for pulls, evaping it afterwards is just not good in my opinion, i probably say that as everytime i evaped a whole glass tray of Naphtha i always ended up with a thin film of zilch. I don't think there would be much spice left in there anyway, even with large amounts of Naphtha the freeze precip works very well (maybe this is dependent on quality of Naphtha?) you just might get loads of really fine powder spice that floats in the solvent, plus this tek already wastes quite a bit of Naphtha, wasting more is just plain expensive.
I'd recommend using a fork instead of chopstick aswell, a chopstick makes the mix turn into balls, whereas with a fork you can break it all up into a consistency much like the meat in spaghetti bolognaise, or even finer, so the Naphtha can really go around all the mix & then you don't have to mix much, just swish the Naphtha around, which helps to stop Naphtha getting lost in the mix.
I'd suggest only recycling the Naphtha you use for pulls, evaping it afterwards is just not good in my opinion, i probably say that as everytime i evaped a whole glass tray of Naphtha i always ended up with a thin film of zilch. I don't think there would be much spice left in there anyway, even with large amounts of Naphtha the freeze precip works very well (maybe this is dependent on quality of Naphtha?) you just might get loads of really fine powder spice that floats in the solvent, plus this tek already wastes quite a bit of Naphtha, wasting more is just plain expensive.
I'd recommend using a fork instead of chopstick aswell, a chopstick makes the mix turn into balls, whereas with a fork you can break it all up into a consistency much like the meat in spaghetti bolognaise, or even finer, so the Naphtha can really go around all the mix & then you don't have to mix much, just swish the Naphtha around, which helps to stop Naphtha getting lost in the mix.
