Washing Soda and 91% Isopropyl Alcohol DMT-Extraction?

[protostar]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask here if I can perform a simple yet effective DMT-extraction with simply Arm & Hammer pure washing soda and 91% isopropyl alcohol?
Could I mix shredded MHRB ( I have no way of powdering it) with an equal amount of pure washing soda in a large glass jar, then cover it with isopropyl alcohol, and shake it thoroughly and periodically over the course of 24 hours, and then simply filter out the MHRB/washing soda sludge and evaporate the liquid, and be left with a material that can be smoked or vaporized?
I read elsewhere that this would work, and that this particular extraction method would yield a reddish/brown, smokeable resin which is "rich in [freebase] DMT."
How accurate are these claims?
I've really wanted to ask this to people on the nexus because I feel that I could receive a proper answer here.
Thank you for your help everyone.

 

[pastanostra]

Hello,

yes you can, get inspired

Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate - Eco friendly extraction teks - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

We tried this :

Soak powdered bark in a bit of water during 1h
Add Sodium carbonate (a bit more tthan bark in weight)
Mix to have a paste, let sit 1h
Put IPA on your paste then mix.
Take your IPA and filter.
We filtered 3 times and got nice result.

You can see also the Q21Q21 drytek.

Cheers

 

[protostar]

Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated.
Now I know for certain that I can do this and it will work.
However, since I have no way of powdering the MHRB, can I ask you if this would work equally as well with ACRB?
Do you think that soaking the ACRB/washing soda paste in IPA for 24 hours would be long enough?
I was just going to put it all in a large glass jar, shaking it periodically over the course of 24 hours, then filtering out the sludge and evaporating the liquid.
Also, if you don't mind, do you have any pictures of the finished product that you obtained from using this particular extraction technique?
I cannot believe that it is really this easy to perform a proper DMT-extraction, and that lye and naphtha are not necessary at all!
I actually read that the naphtha being sold in many parts of the united states (VM&P) no longer contains the exact same ingredients that it used to have, and that this was done intentionally so that it could no longer be used for DMT-extractions.
But if IPA and washing soda is all it takes, then that is all that I will use!
Thanks again for the great help.
p.s. were you left with a reddish/brown resinous material at the end of your extraction process?
Can this material be smoked in a regular pipe with a regular lighter, or does it need to be vaporized?
Thanks!

Edited by Moderator: Please refrain from sourcing/availability discussion of dried botanical materials.

 

[pastanostra]

This should work, but yield maybe affected. you can try to freeze it and try to broke more in fine particle

Maybe you can try an AB with vinegar, it should help breaking the bark (as Q21Q21 tek)
The more your bark is powdered, the more surface area between chemical occurs.

You can see in the link provided the result we had after many hours of drying.
It's a very potent extract from acacia simplex. We ended with solid extract, it was not solid for everybody...
A small story, with my wife and a friend rolled a join in a small rolling leave (for cigaret not long OCB or whatever), we charged too much the splif, we took 3 toke each, and could not go more, we were surprinsingly / pleasantly astonished, and after the experience, we saw that we smoked less than 2cm of the join ! At 3 people !!! :thumb_up:

At this time didn't tried to vape it in the machine, because of residu while burning, but you can, just be aware that it will soot your pipe, and washing is needed after smoking.


Another interesting thing is the fact you can, in your IPA pull, put leaves, herbs or weed, for regular smoking (join), we tried it and it was very nice, for the effect, and the taste (enhanced leave)

Cheers

 

[dreamer042]

This will work for both MHRB and ACRB.

You will either need to start with powdered material and mix it with your soda carb, adding water and mixing to a paste consistency to allow the freebasing reaction to take place, then allow it to dry before making your IPA pulls.

Or

If you start with shredded material you will want to do 3x30 minute boils combine the water from all three boils and reduce to a resin, then mix this resin with soda carb and water to make a paste, allow to dry and pull with your IPA

A simple base and pull with leave you with a very crude alkaloid product that's not really suitable for smoking as is, so you'll want to do at least one acid step and convert back to freebase. This process is outlined in Endlessness's ethanol tek (just replace Ethanol with IPA, everything else will be the same).

Haapi extracting 8)

 

[protostar]

Thanks again everyone for your thoughtful replies.
I have a question regarding washing soda.
I've seen the brand "Arm & Hammer" sell two distinct types of washing soda.
I think that they are both called "Super washing soda."
But the type I bought a while back was only 85% washing soda, and the other 15% I believe was perfumes and dyes and something else.
I tried using this and it turned my mimosa mixture a dark green and then black.
I basically ended up wasting over one pound of MHRB powder.
This was several years ago.
What I wanted to ask was, how can I find the washing soda which is 100% pure washing soda and nothing else?
And mods, I am not asking for sources of drugs or plants, only washing soda, so no need to edit this post.
Thanks.

 

[dreamer042]

I've never come across arm and hammer super washing soda that contained dyes or additives, what I've seen was pure sodium carbonate in a yellow box that was nearly identical to the orange baking soda box. Of course always be sure to check the ingredients.

The best way to ensure purity and food safety is to convert baking soda.

It's a good idea to do smaller extractions of 100 grams of bark or so at a time to avoid those kind of large losses and being mindful that this forum is focused on personal scale use.

 

[roninsina]

The msds for Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda shows 85% sodium carbonate and 15% water. AFAIK sodium carbonate is quite hygroscopic which would limit the feasibility of a stable shelf product at 100%, especially once the package has been opened. I'd certainly double check if you have any concerns, however.



Edit: Bark solution should darken when a strong base is added :thumb_up:


Edit#2: Of course, Dreamoar already gave a much better answer :thumb_up:

 

[Doc Buxin]

I would also suggest using 99% IPA rather than the lesser percentage varieties.

 

[ListenPlease]

Hello,
Soak powdered bark in a bit of water during 1h
Add Sodium carbonate (a bit more tthan bark in weight)
Mix to have a paste, let sit 1h
Put IPA on your paste then mix.
Take your IPA and filter.
We filtered 3 times and got nice result.

From personal experience (and from everything I've read!), Sodium Carbonate is not soluble in IPA. So, at the end of this, you will be left with all the excess Sodium Carbonate. Do you simply not care, or is there something I'm missing?

Thanks!

 

[pastanostra]

Hello,

When your paste of sodium carbonate + bark + water is completly dry, it's time for pulling.
Put your IPA / Ethanol, let soak, stir, soak, then pour your IPA in your jar.
Let it decant (the solution become clearer) then filter. The residue was put in the basic paste mix.
The filtrat was decanted / filtered 3 times, it seemed enough.
In our baking dish (with basic paste mix) there are still bark and sodium carbonate that are mixed.
Let evap your IPA pull and you'll have crude extract (that can be used for enhanced leaf or change nicelly) or as downward say's, you can get a purer extract doing an AB with vinegar.

 

[Doc Buxin]

Just make sure to filter really well like pastanostra said, or purify further as downwardsfromzero suggested (or both), because the main problem I've had with this tek is too much sodium carb in with my DMT.

I am pretty sure now that I didn't filter it as well as I should have.

 

[ListenPlease]

pastanostra, thank you for the detailed step-by-step. Turns out I was totally misunderstanding something, but your response clarified this immediately. Thanks!

 

[ListenPlease]

What type of filter is used in these steps?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

What type of filter is used in these steps?

A cotton wool plug stuffed lightly into the neck of a funnel is pretty good.

 

[Fidelsbeard]