stinkyfish
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Ask anyone in life who drinks, ask them what good has come from drinking. No one will have a good answer except alcoholics
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What are your thoughts on alcohol?
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I know a local physician turned "herbal healer" who drinks tinctures everyday not for the plant but for the alcohol. Apart from that he is a messed up, aggressive character.
I was once thinking of making tinctures from local salvia, but considering that the alcohol would taint the medicine, it became unattractive.
Needless to say, I don't drink.
Very interesting that half of murders are committed on alcohol.
I was once thinking of making tinctures from local salvia, but considering that the alcohol would taint the medicine, it became unattractive.
Needless to say, I don't drink.
Very interesting that half of murders are committed on alcohol.
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610nanometres
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I don't think you have to be an alcoholic to have had a good time using alcohol. How it is consumed undeniably causes much destruction and chaos, but dig a little deeper into the world of production and supply, the politics of how it is taxed marketed and sold, and how overconsumption is both frowned upon and discretely ignored and profited from by Government. It's a murky business, manipulating a species with a dopamine boost/cns depressant, shaken, not stirred.
SympatheticMoron
Rising Star
>what is a hylic?
I would say that people that have a healthy relationship with alcohol would say that they get benefits from drinking and less so with alcoholics. Plenty of alcoholics that i have known, although not all, admit that nothing good comes from their drinking habits.
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hylic - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
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Funnily enough, the "hyl" etymological root sits behind the construction of the chemical terms "methyl" and "ethyl", in fact the "-yl" suffix in general. Would this be your grounds for asking, since it's a far more interesting question than it may, at first, appear?
Thierr7
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I had a strong use of Alcohol for a very long time , I was drinking every day , especially wine but much stronger liquor as well ...
Fortunately , i was eating a lot too , this defenatly reduce the damage booze is doing to your body !
At that time , i didn't know i had diabete ... It surely didn't help and i'm suffering for years now of Neuropathy in my feet , it's bad and painful , very painful sometimes ...
like any excess , Alcohol is very bad for you and it's very vicious because it's available easily anywhere and so easy to help you socialize !
I think it can take a long time to get physically addicted to it , well , at least in my case but , psychologicaly , it can be quite quick , especially if you are shy and have to Gig often .
I feel very lucky to still be alive today , it made me did so many crazy shit ; driving drunk , being mean to ppl , etc ... I've lost a few good jobs because of it ...
I think i used it mainly to forget abt past traumas ...
It's been two years that i don't need to drink anymore , Psylocibin helped me a lot i guess since i'm now able to enjoy a couple glasses of wine , let's say twice a month or so ...
Weed is a very good subtance against the craving as well ; when i was still struggling at the end of the day for not doing it , a joint made a great job ! The problem i have with
THC , even though i like it a lot , is that it drives me stupid ! Lol . When i'm stoned on Pot or Hash , i'm just not able to do anything that requires little concentration ...
One of my oldest and best friend died from booze years ago , he was one of smartest and gifted guy i ever met in my life ! He was 55 and Alcohol burnt his brain down .
I surely not recommend to anyone to drink everyday or to drink heavily even once a week ...
I hope these words can help others who are tempted to go down that road !
Love ,
Thierry .
Fortunately , i was eating a lot too , this defenatly reduce the damage booze is doing to your body !
At that time , i didn't know i had diabete ... It surely didn't help and i'm suffering for years now of Neuropathy in my feet , it's bad and painful , very painful sometimes ...
like any excess , Alcohol is very bad for you and it's very vicious because it's available easily anywhere and so easy to help you socialize !
I think it can take a long time to get physically addicted to it , well , at least in my case but , psychologicaly , it can be quite quick , especially if you are shy and have to Gig often .
I feel very lucky to still be alive today , it made me did so many crazy shit ; driving drunk , being mean to ppl , etc ... I've lost a few good jobs because of it ...
I think i used it mainly to forget abt past traumas ...
It's been two years that i don't need to drink anymore , Psylocibin helped me a lot i guess since i'm now able to enjoy a couple glasses of wine , let's say twice a month or so ...
Weed is a very good subtance against the craving as well ; when i was still struggling at the end of the day for not doing it , a joint made a great job ! The problem i have with
THC , even though i like it a lot , is that it drives me stupid ! Lol . When i'm stoned on Pot or Hash , i'm just not able to do anything that requires little concentration ...
One of my oldest and best friend died from booze years ago , he was one of smartest and gifted guy i ever met in my life ! He was 55 and Alcohol burnt his brain down .
I surely not recommend to anyone to drink everyday or to drink heavily even once a week ...
I hope these words can help others who are tempted to go down that road !
Love ,
Thierry .
Egzoset
Vaporist of Borg
Hummm... Besides the ceremonial office in christian churches every sunday i can't think of any other application and i ain't too sure if that's even worth the "recreational" label after witnessing its effects 1st hand. Since there's mention of THC somewhere i'd refer to the savvy paper of doctor John Warnock titled 'Insanity from Hasheesh', published in the victorian age (1903)... It's a precious cornerstone as this documents medical CONFUSION over the "effect" by comparing "Indian Hemp"/"Cannabis sativa L." to alcohol. Personally i consider we're still feeling the consequences of an old prohibitionist war started over alcohol abuse while the Temperance Movement was strong, prompting moral elites to seek assistance from politicians who eventually got doctors, then police forces involved, with the result of causing a real public health issue where there was none before. In short a war-of-the-sexes and we all know how prohibition failed its objective, twice: 1st making El Capone filthy rich then allowing TV series for kids like Star Trek to banalize it for over half a century now. As for the colateral damage i'd suggest searching for "Fix-my-Kid", "Kids-for-Cash", "Narconon Trois-Rivières" on YouTube and similar!
As a matter of fact it seems the news keep reminding me of this bizarre erroneous fork in History, where even doctors failed their oath to Hyppocrate quite miserably, for example senator Henri-Sévérin Béland who spread the ban on "marihuana" as they called it « A Mari Usque Ad Mare » - e.g. he actually didn't mind correcting the second 'List des Poisons' « schedule » of Québec's 'Pharmacy Act' which had been constitutionally validated by 33 years of exercise by the province, a double fault.
The damage is socially extensive, a person dear to me died of alcohol ADDICTION (the real one...), which comes with true co-morbidity as from delirium tremens. Years later in Montréal-North our ma$$-media$ were in shock reporting a so-called "popular riot" which it didn't exactly explain clearly: the "legal" murder of an unarmed french-speaking immigrant over 8 oz of dry flowers not even belonging to him, euh... Well, the impact been extensive and durable. Elders used to juxtify their taste for alcohol arguing it was "safer" than water during the epic colonization period! Etc., etc. So i'll pass on the "spiritual" side which still affects teens quite clearly under age, for example Athena Gervais who was found dead on February 26 of 2018 behind her school after stealing FckdUp "energizing" drinks in a local store; they found her face first, quite likely drawn at the bottom of a running water pit. Most obviously our gamble on education been a miserable fiasco, not to mention it was aided by a few powerful social tools called television and internet. All In The Name Of Children!
Good day, have fun!!
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SympatheticMoron
Rising Star
@Transform - No but your post is quite intriguing to be honest. I'm also floored that it doesn't exist here. I would have bet my bank account on it being here as well.
Isanara
Ponderer
My thoughts on alcohol is that it is interesting that a hydroxyl group makes an alcohol but if two hydrogens share an oxygen, then it isn't an alcohol.
ROH is alcohol right?
HOH, isn't that protonol?
As in proton-alcohol or hydrogen alcohol.
After all if a hydroxylated ethyl group is ethanol, or ethyl alcohol and an iso-propyl group that is hydroxylated is isopropanol or isopropyl alcohol, then it seems like water is a type of alcohol. The most simple of them all.
Hydrogenol perhaps?
What does Vodka mean again?
That's quite a coincidence given the molecules!
I quit drinking years ago and don't miss it.
ROH is alcohol right?
HOH, isn't that protonol?
As in proton-alcohol or hydrogen alcohol.
After all if a hydroxylated ethyl group is ethanol, or ethyl alcohol and an iso-propyl group that is hydroxylated is isopropanol or isopropyl alcohol, then it seems like water is a type of alcohol. The most simple of them all.
Hydrogenol perhaps?
What does Vodka mean again?
That's quite a coincidence given the molecules!
I quit drinking years ago and don't miss it.
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Yes, fun games can be played with nomenclature that sometimes turn out to be informative. Just have a think about phosphorus for example - when this element was named from its 'light-bearing' properties, how could anyone have known that it is in some sense the very essence of the living light (in the form of ATP) within all living organisms as we presently understand them?
The observation about vodka is somewhat amusing, but this does now leave me contemplating how the -ol prefix as used in certain German names such as "benzol" and "toluol" (for benzene and toluene, respectively) - which don't even contain oxygen in their molecules - and also exemplified in things such as the cycic ether eucalyptol/cineol and anglicised as "cineole" rather derives from a root meaning 'oil', as in "oleum"/"oel/öl"/"olie", etc., in contrast to the "al kohl" derivation of "alcohol", which seems to come from eye makeup. Whether the intended meaning was "of the finest essence", referring to the ultrafine texture required for good eye makeup becoming extended to "the finest essence of wine", or whether other kinds of cognitive equivalence were alluded to, such as "sparkling/glittery", "beautiful", or even possibly "seductive", I can only guess.
NeitherHere
Lucid dreamer and ClusterHead
Id hate to revive a zombie post that's been inactive but I thought it might be worth mentioning a few things.
I've struggled with problematic alcohol use for most of my life. At the peak of my usage I was drinking 2 liters of 80-90 proof vodka on top of a handful of various opiates and narcotics if not drinking 100 proof from the bottle for days on end. It is a powerful sedative and can be beneficial in the right respect and regard to the situation at hand but it's incredibly dangerous and habit forming for many people. It is for this reason I would like to mention KAVA.
Kava has its own caveats but it works wonders for socialization, pain reduction, it has great anxiolytic properties, and truth be told I enjoy it substantially More than alcohol. I can consume kava for my needs and don't have to worry about becoming antisocial, depressed, and it leaves me much less likely to encounter legal issues for having consumed it. It's like all the gains with minimal downsides (so long as you don't severely abuse it or consume it with alcohol)
Personally, when ever anyone asks about alcohol I will almost always mention kava. I truly from the bottom of my heart believe that this plant has the power to heal. Hopefully the Islanders have sustainability options in mind because I see it's usage surging among non traditional demographics and for good reasons. Id just hate to see it become inaccessible for the people who use it culturally.
I've struggled with problematic alcohol use for most of my life. At the peak of my usage I was drinking 2 liters of 80-90 proof vodka on top of a handful of various opiates and narcotics if not drinking 100 proof from the bottle for days on end. It is a powerful sedative and can be beneficial in the right respect and regard to the situation at hand but it's incredibly dangerous and habit forming for many people. It is for this reason I would like to mention KAVA.
Kava has its own caveats but it works wonders for socialization, pain reduction, it has great anxiolytic properties, and truth be told I enjoy it substantially More than alcohol. I can consume kava for my needs and don't have to worry about becoming antisocial, depressed, and it leaves me much less likely to encounter legal issues for having consumed it. It's like all the gains with minimal downsides (so long as you don't severely abuse it or consume it with alcohol)
Personally, when ever anyone asks about alcohol I will almost always mention kava. I truly from the bottom of my heart believe that this plant has the power to heal. Hopefully the Islanders have sustainability options in mind because I see it's usage surging among non traditional demographics and for good reasons. Id just hate to see it become inaccessible for the people who use it culturally.
Somehow missed this, but my first instinct is to point you in the direction of Lion's Mane mushroom (Hericium erinaceus) [L'hydne hérisson] for help with neuropathy.
I hope this message reaches you well!
NeitherHere
Lucid dreamer and ClusterHead
Lionsmane is amazing for neurological support. Good recommendation for sure.
Kobranek
Established member
The Dagara tribe uses alcohol for their rituals as documented by Elder Malidoma Patrice Some's book Of Water and Spirit. RIP Malidoma
Native American's problematic use originates from early ceremonial use once introduced by Europeans. My father who was native and raised me unfortunately succumbed to his use when I ironically turned 21.
I've had a love hate relationship my whole life cause my mom is a functioning alcoholic. In a twisted way I found out the dad who raised me wasn't my biological father and my real dad was another alcoholic from another tribe. I can almost guarantee alcohol was the conduit that paved my arrival into this world under the auspice of adultery.
I see alcohol as a very potent entheogen that is reserved for those who can display the utmost reverence. It is easy to over do it, it doesn't take much to start taking effect, the effects are very immediate once the alcohol hits the stomach, and is probably the most popular and socially accepted psychoactive known to man.
I do drink and have a tendency to overdo it which has me constantly reevaluating my relationship and second questioning my intentions.
Native American's problematic use originates from early ceremonial use once introduced by Europeans. My father who was native and raised me unfortunately succumbed to his use when I ironically turned 21.
I've had a love hate relationship my whole life cause my mom is a functioning alcoholic. In a twisted way I found out the dad who raised me wasn't my biological father and my real dad was another alcoholic from another tribe. I can almost guarantee alcohol was the conduit that paved my arrival into this world under the auspice of adultery.
I see alcohol as a very potent entheogen that is reserved for those who can display the utmost reverence. It is easy to over do it, it doesn't take much to start taking effect, the effects are very immediate once the alcohol hits the stomach, and is probably the most popular and socially accepted psychoactive known to man.
I do drink and have a tendency to overdo it which has me constantly reevaluating my relationship and second questioning my intentions.
This article is definitely worth a read, with some great commentary on alcohol and trauma:
www.theguardian.com
‘I’d always enjoyed alcohol – but my mother’s sudden, violent death made me a heavy drinker overnight’
When she died, my life plunged into darkness and I turned to the bottle. It quickly became clear to me how trauma could change a moderate habit into a dangerous one
Transform,This article is definitely worth a read, with some great commentary on alcohol and trauma:
‘I’d always enjoyed alcohol – but my mother’s sudden, violent death made me a heavy drinker overnight’
When she died, my life plunged into darkness and I turned to the bottle. It quickly became clear to me how trauma could change a moderate habit into a dangerous one
She does an excellent job of describing the progression of her emotional state and I can see how that could happen to anyone. Alcohol is so hard on the body and makes you overeat, I don't think I would become reliant on it due to the physical side effects.
I'm drinking about once a week these days, about a bottle of wine at a time. I would probably be happy nursing one or two glasses with an edible. Also want to add CBD back in more regularly.
It's important for people to experience altered states of consciousness for mental wellness; it is for me at least. Doing regular oral harmalas keeps me on the straight and narrow. Hopefully we can get more people to have access to these medicines for when they go through times of need.
All best,
JH
Kobranek
Established member
Great article Transform, thank you for sharing!
I had stopped drinking for a period of four years, cold turkey. During that time my wife and I had almost lost our son as he was in a race to self destruction with his alcohol and drug use. We had attended alanon weekly group meetings. My wife and I had vowed to not drink again. Well it wasn't that easy and started to drink again. It is insidious that it is easy to slip back again, but I seriously can't drink like I did before.
I'm with you jungleheart, Dr. Grof would be in agreement that altered states is a bonafide need for a healthy psyche. I don't know if I can agree with moderation is addiction in disguise though, seems a bit harsh and far sided.
I had stopped drinking for a period of four years, cold turkey. During that time my wife and I had almost lost our son as he was in a race to self destruction with his alcohol and drug use. We had attended alanon weekly group meetings. My wife and I had vowed to not drink again. Well it wasn't that easy and started to drink again. It is insidious that it is easy to slip back again, but I seriously can't drink like I did before.
I'm with you jungleheart, Dr. Grof would be in agreement that altered states is a bonafide need for a healthy psyche. I don't know if I can agree with moderation is addiction in disguise though, seems a bit harsh and far sided.
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Fire
Entheo-gen: God-generating
I don’t see god on alcohol… but if you do, I’d love to hear!! I believe there is a healthy way to relate with everything ~
But one of its best properties is that it can sterilize - (Life)
It makes your heart beat more irregularly, and traces of it can be found in the nerves of your heart for up to a week!
Every molecule of alcohol is just destroying your body. Imagine this: a water & lipid based organism, is inundated with a miscible solvent.
Damages not only your brain, but peripheral nervous system.
Maybe you can use it in a similar way to Amanita Muscaria (group dancing and overnight journeys)
Especially when it’s only an intermittent sacred use…
There may be certain lifestyle factors that could help counterbalance.
For instance, I theorize that in the Amazon, tobacco isn’t ‘as bad’ to use, if the heat & humidity counteract the peripherially vasoconstricting nature of it, which dramatically slows regenerative capabilities of the body.
For now I try to avoid alcohol though at all costs xD
I don’t see god on alcohol… but if you do, I’d love to hear!! I believe there is a healthy way to relate with everything ~
But one of its best properties is that it can sterilize - (Life)
It makes your heart beat more irregularly, and traces of it can be found in the nerves of your heart for up to a week!
Every molecule of alcohol is just destroying your body. Imagine this: a water & lipid based organism, is inundated with a miscible solvent.
Damages not only your brain, but peripheral nervous system.
Maybe you can use it in a similar way to Amanita Muscaria (group dancing and overnight journeys)
Especially when it’s only an intermittent sacred use…
There may be certain lifestyle factors that could help counterbalance.
For instance, I theorize that in the Amazon, tobacco isn’t ‘as bad’ to use, if the heat & humidity counteract the peripherially vasoconstricting nature of it, which dramatically slows regenerative capabilities of the body.
For now I try to avoid alcohol though at all costs xD
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While basically not drinking at all nowadays, I had one small glass of Glühwein at the weekend (in the process of accepting hospitality, as sometimes happens). It gave me a headache almost immediately 
As if I need any further confirmation that alcohol is entirely unsuitable for me now - if it indeed ever was. There was a learning process for navigating the dose-response curve of alcohol-induced disinhibition in the direction of merriment that all too easily could veer off into mayhem, embarassment and/or misery. Add in the cost of physicochemical damage to all bodily systems and you may end up wondering if the price of mirth is a fair one here. It was always just as much, if not more, a matter of the company rather than alcohol in its own right.
I keep the (hazy) memories as gold while discarding alcohol from my life as dross.
As if I need any further confirmation that alcohol is entirely unsuitable for me now - if it indeed ever was. There was a learning process for navigating the dose-response curve of alcohol-induced disinhibition in the direction of merriment that all too easily could veer off into mayhem, embarassment and/or misery. Add in the cost of physicochemical damage to all bodily systems and you may end up wondering if the price of mirth is a fair one here. It was always just as much, if not more, a matter of the company rather than alcohol in its own right.
I keep the (hazy) memories as gold while discarding alcohol from my life as dross.