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Voidmatrix said:
I meant to mention earlier that if I'm not mistaken, our attachment to alcohol is somewhat an inherited survival mechanism.

Long long ago, if I'm not mistaken, before we could clean our water, if there was no safe water, one drank light beer.

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That must be why, despite what I've previously said here, I know I'm still a sucker for a pint of nicely brewed, English real ale at a pleasant country pub - and really just the one pint, drunk at a very leisurely pace around a mealtime. You could say that constitutes a ritual of sorts.

High grade absinthe is also quite good for rendering water potable, while simultaneously unleashing mayhem :LOL:
 
I have always followed a logic that unfortunately is not so banal...

Brain damage?: NO.

I have always had great respect for my future self, whom I consider a completely different and separate person. So just as I wouldn't do such harm to others, I wouldn't do it to my future self either.
 
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As mentioned earlier, booze is quite important in spirit possession. Spirits love it.
It takes the role as offering, as it is drank by the medium that gets possessed. In possession rites that uses Ayahuasca and similar preparations, too much consumption of booze by the medium leads to vomiting.

Therefore it is often controlled by the others, sometimes hard alcohol is replaced with light beer etc.

The reason why spirits love alcohol can be found in the volatileness of both - they are both easily "distilled" - and of course, alcohol has been an important part of society when these spirits were alive as it is today.

All spirits have their preferred drink. Beer, wine, cachaça and aguadente, some prefer water or herbal teas. Just like us.

As tobacco, ritually used, there is no much harm coming from these substance. The problem starts, when sit get in the hands of irresponsible human beings. Arnolda de Villanova was frightened that the end of the world has come when he first distilled proper alcohol. With good reason...
 
I was in a period where I wanted nothing to do with alcohol and those who consumed it. I had to distance myself from friends and family to be at peace.

Little did I know the distance I had to create brought a loneliness that was far more damaging than any amount of alcohol that I could possibly drink.

Sitting in alanon meetings only further ingrained my disdain for alcohol and everyone involved. During that time I thought alcohol was the worst substance on Earth. Shadow working my codependency was no easy feat.

Then came the shocking news that my father that I watched drink himself to death was not my real father. I lost my best friend to alcohol and pills. My step son is one sip away from being a full blown alcoholic. My mom and sister love to wine and dine, so much that my sister has developed gallstones which is only tightening her grip to the bottle. My wife can drink wine like water even after quiting for four years cold turkey. It's everywhere!!

I keep telling myself this is the last time but I can't stop. I love the way the first effects feel not so much the chase one goes through to maintain a buzz. I love the way it synergizes with cannabis. I love connecting with others with drinks.

I was brought into this world through alcohol. Am I to shun my existence? I was taught that adultery is bad, but that is how I was brought into this world. Should I now consider my segue into this world as a disgrace?

Absolutely not!! There are no mistakes including alcohol. I'm done with being too far to one side. I'm aiming somewhere in the middle. It was pretty damned stressful those four years, yeah I did enjoy being sober but not with all the negative connotations that it came with.

Everyone has very valid reasons to feel so strongly but I can't let those project their baggage onto me, I carry enough of my own.

I try not to get caught up in fear mongering with this is your brain, now this is your brain on alcohol, any questions (sizzling egg on a frying pan)? Our brains are very prone to adapting to negative factors with stress being the main one. Beers muscle relaxing properties have proved beneficial in moderation for me, like after a long run of at least 5k. The stored carbs can also be used for high intensity workouts provided you don't drink so much you get hungover.

Set, setting, intentions, and integration have never been more important. As others responses have pointed out.

The pandemic is when the drinking started again and now I can see the loneliness and yearning for connection not just with others but myself is how this all started again. Different strokes for different folks. The stress from loneliness is a killer that I feel is far greater than the damaging effects of alcohol. My intention is to let it go someday as I have already have before.

I really appreciate all the insight from the community, you guys are great and on point no doubt. Rkba I really appreciate your heartfelt response.
 
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I was in a period where I wanted nothing to do with alcohol and those who consumed it. I had to distance myself from friends and family to be at peace.

Little did I know the distance I had to create brought a loneliness that was far more damaging than any amount of alcohol that I could possibly drink.

Sitting in alanon meetings only further ingrained my disdain for alcohol and everyone involved. During that time I thought alcohol was the worst substance on Earth. Shadow working my codependency was no easy feat.

Then came the shocking news that my father that I watched drink himself to death was not my real father. I lost my best friend to alcohol and pills. My step son is one sip away from being a full blown alcoholic. My mom and sister love to wine and dine, so much that my sister has developed gallstones which is only tightening her grip to the bottle. My wife can drink wine like water even after quiting for four years cold turkey. It's everywhere!!

I keep telling myself this is the last time but I can't stop. I love the way the first effects feel not so much the chase one goes through to maintain a buzz. I love the way it synergizes with cannabis. I love connecting with others with drinks.

I was brought into this world through alcohol. Am I to shun my existence? I was taught that adultery is bad, but that is how I was brought into this world. Should I now consider my segue into this world as a disgrace?

Absolutely not!! There are no mistakes including alcohol. I'm done with being too far to one side. I'm aiming somewhere in the middle. It was pretty damned stressful those four years, yeah I did enjoy being sober but not with all the negative connotations that it came with.

Everyone has very valid reasons to feel so strongly but I can't let those project their baggage onto me, I carry enough of my own.

I try not to get caught up in fear mongering with this is your brain, now this is your brain on alcohol, any questions (sizzling egg on a frying pan)? Our brains are very prone to adapting to negative factors with stress being the main one. Beers muscle relaxing properties have proved beneficial in moderation for me, like after a long run of at least 5k. The stored carbs can also be used for high intensity workouts provided you don't drink so much you get hungover.

Set, setting, intentions, and integration have never been more important. As others responses have pointed out.

The pandemic is when the drinking started again and now I can see the loneliness and yearning for connection not just with others but myself is how this all started again. Different strokes for different folks. The stress from loneliness is a killer that I feel is far greater than the damaging effects of alcohol. My intention is to let it go someday as I have already have before.

I really appreciate all the insight from the community, you guys are great and on point no doubt. Rkba I really appreciate your heartfelt response.
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He I completely understand, within my first years of not drinking I lost more friends than I could make new, also I really like people who drink, what I found is that in time it became easier to not drink and be socially active, the main difference being that I leave the pub before 12 and usually not after. I still feel I miss out on the nice buzz of it all, but then I realize I don’t really have the capacity to just drink one or two.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I feel you and understand your choices.

Take care
 
Another thing that makes me raise an eyebrow is when a drinker, likely in denial about how their habit affects them, comes at me sideways about my smoking and psychedelic use. I end up thinking to myself, how would you like to test this? In the end, what's the overall outcome of the habit?

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Today marks five weeks of abstinence from alcohol and I am looking forward to continued sobriety as it hasn't between serving me well as many of you have pointed out to me. I truly appreciate your perspectives and realize that it will be a life long battle as everyone in my life are alcoholics and can see the damage it has caused. These past weeks have been a struggle. Wednesday's and Sundays are the hardest for me. Interestingly it's not Friday or Saturday. To all those fighting the good fight, your not alone❤️
 
When I first started my relationship with DMT I was using alcohol to calm my nerves before jumping into a breakthrough experience and it seemed to really help at the time.
Maybe a year or so later I started a microdose regimen of 10mg of psilocybin and 5mg of DMT every other day in the morning and after a few months of doing this I noticed that almost all alcohol gives me an instant migraine (like within 30mins of consuming any alcohol my head starts POUNDING), which was not present before starting regular microdosing.
It was probably for the best because at the time I was drinking daily to cope with being off of other stuff. I find even a few years later I'm still not able to drink or enjoy alcohol like I used to. Almost like the plant medicines made my body more aware that I'm actually poisoning myself when I drink.
These days I just smoke ganja and Dimitri 🙂 I do get those cravings for a good drink here and there but knowing how my body reacts to alcohol I know it's just not worth it, at least for me. Some days I miss being able to enjoy a beer or a good Moscow Mule but I know my body and mind are thanking me for not putting it through that anymore.
Some people can enjoy alcohol and I'm not one of those people unfortunately 😂
 
Personally hate it because one drink can have me waking up the next day in full blown flare of ankylosing spond/ulcerative colitis. One drink I need 200 mg dose of celecoxib within hours- not my cup of tea.

I can take a lot of substances that don’t do that to me, that are far more enjoyable.

I do like gaba agonism quite a bit…just not when the downside is so harsh that I need other meds to recover.
 
Kobranek said:
Today marks five weeks of abstinence from alcohol and I am looking forward to continued sobriety as it hasn't between serving me well as many of you have pointed out to me. I truly appreciate your perspectives and realize that it will be a life long battle as everyone in my life are alcoholics and can see the damage it has caused. These past weeks have been a struggle. Wednesday's and Sundays are the hardest for me. Interestingly it's not Friday or Saturday. To all those fighting the good fight, your not alone❤️
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That’s great to see, those first weeks are the toughest and getting through them is a huge achievement, well done 👍. I remember when I quit, the cravings were strongest in the beginning but after about three months it became very manageable. After six months it wasn’t something I even thought about much, even when people around me were drinking.

Now that you’ve got some momentum it might be a good time (if you haven’t already) to let people around you know that you’re planning to keep this up for a while. Setting a goal like six months or a year could help with your commitment and get your social circle on board so they’re less likely to pressure you. (especially in the beginning my social circle did not really accept, it’s strange but people that do drink are very much addicted to others drinking)

All in all it gets easier and over time the benefits really start to show. You’re doing something really positive for yourself and it’ll only continue to improve.

Keep going, you’re on the right path!

Much love and great accomplishment!😍
 
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I've really enjoyed reading this thread.
Alcohol and it's pros and cons. I was am abuser for years and it affected me physically and as I would later on find out mentally, such would any substance if it was allowed to be abused to that level.
As for it's purpose on society, I truly believe it is allowed to go on to stop the people from progressing and awakening. Wake up, go to work,have a bad day/week, drown my sorrows so I can mentally handle doing it all over again. Control. I guess is the word I'm looking for.

I know it has history, from early days, to preserve and use up old produce etc but the monopolised world we live in now would be very different without it I believe.
As for shamanic use and witchcraft. I can imagine that spirits of sacred plants and crops would be used for certain ceremonies.
I don't believe that alcohol in any way is a server of the soul and in fact my view is that it keeps the soul locked away and quiet through regular use.
Having a couple of drinks and dancing with friends and being sociable I can understand but I always wondered if I had to drink to be around people to feel more comfortable..are those people I actually need to be around??

I drink now a couple of times a year maybe. A handful of drinks each time. As I convince myself that I need to let it out with the stresses of life building but I'm also very aware I should just address those stresses before hand so I don't get tainted with the idea of letting go. My own everlasting battle. As for craving Regularly, a few years ago I never thought that the day would come that I wouldn't be able to not think of opening a drink. I won't bore you with all the personal awakening info but I'm pretty sure overtime my mind and brain has changed the way I think and deal with things which inevitably lead me to being more open minded than I was before definitely.

I love what psychedelics do for people. People that allow them to that is.
Interesting thread considering the forum but I guess that shows the type of souls that wonder through her ✌️
 
I'm so happy for not being an alcoholic anymore !
I still enjoy a couple of glasses of red wine though , it's about 2 bottles of wine every month or so ... I know ppl often just can't have just a few now and then . it took me a long time but i now don't even think about drinking anymore ... :)
 
Generally speaking, all things in moderation.

The tricky thing about for me is its widespread usage in social settings. And its function as a social lubricant in many ways. Here I would say its usage can hinder many a people, as they seem to rely a bit to much on the beverage and only seem to function when under the influence.

Also, it's worth noting that Ethanol, is extremely dangerous in large enough quantities. Basically an neurotoxin that can disrupt the brains function. Counter intuitively Ethanol also has some neuroprotectant properties.

I remember watching a documentary about a mans journey out of alcohol addiction. The man struggled enourmously and his life was in ruins due to him abusing the substance. He ended up quitting to fast, and died from withdrawals...

On a more personal side, my introduction to said substance was in the form of a homebrewn. 96 proof, or something along those lines. That being the first time drinking, the effects came on really strong. I simply loved being in an altered state of mind, and could hardly believe that something like this existed. Somehow after drinking I ended up in the middle of the room, standing guard, for what I'm not sure, but I was there to protect those around :LOL:

I would even go as far as saying it was good experience for my later adventures, since I became familiar with keeping calm when the mind has serious trouble staying afloat. So in some ways I would draw learning from heavy drinking sessions, to adventures with our friends Lucy and Dimitry.

All in all, I'd like to abstain from alcohol alltogether due to it's potential harm. Then again, what is the cost of a happy life? A glass wine every full moon?
 
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