What Constitutes a "Breakthrough" and how You Get There

[Nathaniel]

i am curious, nexusers. when do you consider yourself to have broken through? what do you do, how do you know? i have had a few sessions where i tripped very heavy, but have not "broken through". i am wondering if maybe i shouldn't go seeking it... but i have been trying to break through and have not had that epiphany.

i just bought a nice torch lighter so i can get the most out of my spirits. however, i still can't seem to figure out what constitutes an appropriate dosage and application.

i've been trying to suck up as much DMT as i can in as few breaths as possible, but i haven't been taken to the next level, so to speak.

what do you do?

 

[۩]

There is loads of info on the forum about this. You can even click a link in my signature for a diagram that covers this topic.

In a nutshell: A breakthrough is when you smoke enough DMT to the point where it does not matter if your eyes are open or closed. You are in a completely different "Reality" no matter how you try to look at it. There is no escaping this place until it wears off. Many panic from the sheer intensity and think that they have died. Even after countless times, it can feel like you are never going to return to this world, because the experience is so "other-worldly" and undeniable.

It takes practice to get your smoking technique down. I just put a good dose on top of a small amount of cannabis in a pipe or bong [or just the ash from a bowl so its less to smoke] and smoke it ALL. The spice melts to the bottom of your bowl, so that last hit is CRITICAL. Hold those in 15-20 seconds. At 50mg+ it's really hard to go wrong. Let us know how it goes.

 

[Nathaniel]

thanks, dude. i just read through that diagram you have there...

i think i'm still refining my smoking technique. i have been holding in my hits for as long as possible but i guess i gotta have all my ducks in a row to really break through. i've blasted off many times tonight and although i've been tripping hard i haven't "broken through". i think i was close... i'll continue to refine the process

 

[Apoc]

There is loads of info on the forum about this. You can even click a link in my signature for a diagram that covers this topic.

In a nutshell: A breakthrough is when you smoke enough DMT to the point where it does not matter if your eyes are open or closed. You are in a completely different "Reality" no matter how you try to look at it. There is no escaping this place until it wears off.

That's a really good way of putting it. Instead of describing what a breakthrough is like, describe one of the more physiological effects.

 

[Al Dimentiz]

Also.. What are you using to smoke your DMT? A lot of people have great results with the GVG, (I'm even considering buying one). But, I use the homemade mini-machine with good results.

 

[Nathaniel]

i am using a glass bowl. well let me just say... i packed a good sized bowl of deemsters and a little bit of changa...

i think i experienced the fabled break through. holy hell... i don't even know what just happened.

do you guys ever have problems seeing the bowl to light it? during this latest trip i couldn't tell if i was lighting my bowl or if i even was inhaling it, or what the hell was going on. little creatures kept running around in front of my face, climbing over my bowl and hands... i really couldn't tell what i was doing after a bit. but i sure as hell "got there" and soon enough i set down my bowl and got lost in my trip. gosh, it made me so cold while i was tripping! i was swaddling myself with a blanket and couldn't tell how i was doing it.

anyway... i was wondering if you folks ever have a hard time lighting your bowl for that last push over the edge

 

[Entheojen]

I think the idea is to get it all down in one toke if you can to avoid the difficulty of distinguishing your pipe from the man on the moon. So perhaps don't use any leaf so there is less to inhale.

 

[dmtk2852]

i am using a glass bowl. well let me just say... i packed a good sized bowl of deemsters and a little bit of changa...

i think i experienced the fabled break through. holy hell... i don't even know what just happened.

do you guys ever have problems seeing the bowl to light it? during this latest trip i couldn't tell if i was lighting my bowl or if i even was inhaling it, or what the hell was going on. little creatures kept running around in front of my face, climbing over my bowl and hands... i really couldn't tell what i was doing after a bit. but i sure as hell "got there" and soon enough i set down my bowl and got lost in my trip. gosh, it made me so cold while i was tripping! i was swaddling myself with a blanket and couldn't tell how i was doing it.

anyway... i was wondering if you folks ever have a hard time lighting your bowl for that last push over the edge

Glad to here you got there, my reaction after my first breakthrough was basically the same, "what was that!?" The best part though is now you know what constitutes a breakthrough for you, I too have the cold flashes and find under a blanket laying down has been my best trip so far.

 

[PrimalWisdom]

Yeah ۩ prety much nailed what a breakthough is like. Theres no mistaking the loss of contact with your body.

I still have to figure out how to get the 3rd toke in, 2 seems to work, but I can't help feeling I could go a little deeper with a 3rd. After 2 drags, my pipe (machine) and my hands seem so far away from my body, and theres all these tinselly glittering things flying everywhere that I get confused and rather just put the pipe down before I burn myself or something. I reckon practise will eventually pay off, and I do like practising

 

[tele]

Probably the easiest technique: GVG + Copper mesh + 1 inhalation for the full dose + keep inside minimum 5 seconds. Doesn't need much more than 20-25mg.
Another thing is that breakthrough comes to you when it's the right time, such as DMT came.

 

[Nathaniel]

Yeah ۩ prety much nailed what a breakthough is like. Theres no mistaking the loss of contact with your body.

I still have to figure out how to get the 3rd toke in, 2 seems to work, but I can't help feeling I could go a little deeper with a 3rd. After 2 drags, my pipe (machine) and my hands seem so far away from my body, and theres all these tinselly glittering things flying everywhere that I get confused and rather just put the pipe down before I burn myself or something. I reckon practise will eventually pay off, and I do like practising

yea, i actually ended up burning my finger a little bit last night. although this was when i had my lights off, so i decided that it's best not to sit in the dark since i couldn't see anything.

what is "the machine"? i have read a few things about it on here but i haven't found an actual description of what it is... some kind of glass bottle pipe or something?

thanks for the input, everyone. i enjoy learning

 

[PrimalWisdom]

Yeah ۩ prety much nailed what a breakthough is like. Theres no mistaking the loss of contact with your body.

I still have to figure out how to get the 3rd toke in, 2 seems to work, but I can't help feeling I could go a little deeper with a 3rd. After 2 drags, my pipe (machine) and my hands seem so far away from my body, and theres all these tinselly glittering things flying everywhere that I get confused and rather just put the pipe down before I burn myself or something. I reckon practise will eventually pay off, and I do like practising

yea, i actually ended up burning my finger a little bit last night. although this was when i had my lights off, so i decided that it's best not to sit in the dark since i couldn't see anything.

what is "the machine"? i have read a few things about it on here but i haven't found an actual description of what it is... some kind of glass bottle pipe or something?

thanks for the input, everyone. i enjoy learning

The machine is basically a mini glass booze bottle with a hole drilled in the bottom and some steel wool stuffed down the neck.

heres a pictorial all about it and how to make it - The Machine - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Its pretty awesome, by far the best method I have found. I bet a GVG is better, but I can't afford one and they won't even ship it to my country if I could

peace

 

[polytrip]

The word breakthrough is topic of constant debate here. There are discussions on whether you can open your eyes or move your hand when you breakthrough.

If you ask me, it's not the intensity of the psychedelic experience itself that is the cause of the frequent use of this term, but the rapid onset of these effects when vaporised DMT is inhaled.

People react differently to that rapid shift in counsciousness-state, but temporary disorientation is typical for most people, although some people here say that they experience an immediate, 'flawless' shift that doesn't feel like 'breaking through something' at all.

I've found that it is this disorientation that is the main difference between oral DMT and vaporised DMT. People will less often speak of breaking through on ayahuasca, while it may take them as deep into hyperspace as vaporised DMT, because 99% of the times, you don't have that rapid onset with ayahuasca, that hit's you like vaporised spice does.

Some people are so confused by this rapidness, that they even forget that they've taken DMT, and ask themselves what the hell they've done to wind-up in that place.

 

[ewok]

Some people are so confused by this rapidness, that they even forget that they've taken DMT, and ask themselves what the hell they've done to wind-up in that place.

Happens quite a bit to me. Also had where hyperspace was what I thought was where my normal existence was and returning here I wondered how the hell I ended up in this foreign body.

 

[Hyperdimensional Cuttlefish]

I know I am there when I am babbling in tongues, and am in another place surrounded by "other things".

 

[gibran2]

This question has been asked many times before. I decided to do a search and compile a list of related topics. I haven't read them yet myself, but it seems like it might be interesting to see if/how the definition of a "breakthrough" has changed over the years here at the Nexus. Here's the list:

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What exactly constitutes a "Breakthrough"?

What actually constitutes a "breakthrough?"

What is this "Breakthrough"

Description of a Breakthrough

"Breakthrough" semantics

Is This a Breakthrough?

How Exactly is a Breakthrough Different?

Misuse of the term "breakthrough"

Defining "Breakthrough"

The Different Breakthrough Levels of DMT

breakthrough vs hyperspace

mg/kg bodymass breakthrough dose for smoked DMT? has it ever been noted?

Was this a breakthrough?

Ay Carumba! Breakthrough after i had THOUGHT i had already... but this was something else.

definition of a breakthrough