what exactly defines a breakthru?

[Skeemer]

I think i've had 1 maybe 2 breakthru. But i'm not sure. I've seen really cool visuals and patterns and slightly become a part of everything around me and felt like i was floating in the room on a 40mg hit. But i was fully aware of where i was. Is that a breakthru? I don't think it was, but i don't know what constitutes a "breakthru". One time i saw a ball of light and became one with it losing my sense of direction and gravity and i know i was somewhere else. Is that a breakthru?

One more question, Should i keep my eyes open or closed? Does it matter?


Skeemer

 

[endlessness]

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I would say keeping the eyes closed are recommended, in silent darkness (or indirect lighting at most). But once you breakthrough, you dont even know about eyes so this wont make a difference

 

[olympus mon]

I think i've had 1 maybe 2 breakthru. But i'm not sure. I've seen really cool visuals and patterns and slightly become a part of everything around me and felt like i was floating in the room on a 40mg hit. But i was fully aware of where i was. Is that a breakthru? I don't think it was, but i don't know what constitutes a "breakthru". One time i saw a ball of light and became one with it losing my sense of direction and gravity and i know i was somewhere else. Is that a breakthru?

One more question, Should i keep my eyes open or closed? Does it matter?


Skeemer

i think if your still wondering if you broke through you probably didn't. once you do there is no confusion on the subject and it doesn't matter if your eye's are open, shut, or being removed by elves and replaced with gem stones! :lol:

you will know. it took me many attempts close to 20 and i was also wondering if i broke through and then it happened. i remember it like it was yesterday. after an unsuccessful mediocre launch i went into the bathroom, as i was still a little foggy from the last trip about 15 min ago i looked closely at the pipe and noticed quite a bit of melted spice on the bottom of the glass bowl. as i sat there on the john but luckily hadn't done my business yet i put the flame under my pipe heated the glass and watched.....POOF!!!! the whole chamber filled up with vapor and i was like" o shit! inhale that man!!!" i took a huge hit and whammo!!!
while i was just holding that one hit in i KNEW i was about to break through. i barely made it to the bed flopped down and the rest is hyperspace history...

 

[SnozzleBerry]

what exactly defines a breakthrough?

The experience.

One of my roommates thought I was the world's biggest asshat for using the term breakthrough with respect to DMT. He had tried it before, but the guy who was dosing gave him very little. So, I loaded up "the vessel" (what we used to call the crackpipe) and vaporized his bulb and away he went. When he came back, he looked at me with wide, wide eyes and said "I understand. You don't need to explain anything...I get it now." and aside from retelling that story, I don't think we've ever mentioned defining a breakthrough since.

 

[proto-pax]

A breakthrough for me is when you are in such a state that you cannot fathom that you are in a state.

Awestruck at beauty. Gods and angels coming out of the walls.

 

[Ginkgo]

The word here usually is that you have a breakthrough when you know you have a breakthrough. If you doubt, you have not had it. During a breakthrough you don't only watch or partly visit another place, you actually feel like you are in that place. The knowledge that you even have a body is far, far away.

 

[aetherbound]

I too had that question and thought each time I went a little farther surely this time was a breakthru. Then I had a breakthru and you know without a doubt thats what it is. Entities swarm you and your brain screams oh hell what have I done. At this point you MUST remember to surrender to the experience no matter how intense it gets, you WILL be alright.
Words cant describe the beauty there and trust me you are THERE...It is fractals on top of fractals and you remember your true divinity and you become one with all that is , was and ever will be. Call it what you will, heaven....nirvana whatever...You will be thankful and awestruck...Happy Journeys

Namaste
Aetherbound

 

[marz]

When i Broke Threw i Saw the dmt molecule spinning super fast and it was like a 3d shaped molecule then it Blew up and the Balls from the molecule to show NH are ch3 Blewup and the balls went everywhere and the balls where Bouncing and thean turned to happy faces i saw alot of other weird stuff it was awesome:lol: :shock: !

 

[BananaForeskin]

Awestruck at beauty. Gods and angels coming out of the walls.

LOL

That exact instance happened to me last night!

 

[Skeemer]

Much appreciated everyone. I'll keep working with my doses.

"But once you breakthrough, you dont even know about eyes so this wont make a difference"......thats exactly what i was wondering about, thank you

 

[hyperspacing]

Only you can define a breakthrough to yourself. The dissolution of self, being immersed in another world, the embrace of an entity (or grip of terror from one). Any of these can happen. You can still be aware of your body but its random in experience. You will know when you've hit that sweet spot.

-safe journeys

 

[ms_manic_minxx]

If you still possess the faculties to ask, "Have I had enough?" the answer is a resounding NO!

Ideally, you will be so immersed in the other side that the question of eyes opened or closed becomes irrelevant. Everything breaks apart to reveal a sea of infinity, with your breath as your guide.

Breathe deeply and evenly!

Sub-breakthrough doses are beautiful, where it is quite easy to look around the room and watch the floors move, etc., but there are definitely realms beyond this. Familiarity with a smoking technique will ultimately help. When I first started smoking, it was a great challenge because I could never seem to blast beyond the geometry. Have patience! You could also venture incrementally further to learn your sweet spot, without going overboard (overboard = forgetting everything completely).

 

[gratefulfloyd]

Like many have said already, when you breakthrough you will know.