What is the void?

[AKIRA]

Is it a good place to go to? or bad?

 

[I AM SWIM]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

 

[tony]

Ive never experienced "the void" on dmt... only the opposite, a reality completely saturated. Have experienced it on amanita muscaria though and I would describe it as distinctly unpleasant and confusing experience. I disagree that the void is like non existence since I dont remember how it fealt to not exist and I do remember how the void fealt. There was a definite experience, and I think experience relies on existence. It was (for me) more the absence of time perception and linear thought processes. I was in the void only for maybe 3 or 4 hours, but it felt like forever. I was sure at the time that this was to be my existence forever... although "I" had no concept of who I was, no memory of my life or even any awareness that I was a human who had a body that was sitting in a chair.

Thats the best describtion I can give of how it was for me. Im glad I had the experience though.

 

[nen888]

..it's where consciousness creates reality..surely good...

 

[Global]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

Just as there's existence and non-existence, there's two voids as well. There's the full light void that captures all of existence, as well as the empty "dark" void. Both are neither good nor bad as they both transcend duality, but both ecstatic and terrorizing experiences can exist in either one.

 

[darkunft]

The keyword void indicates that the main method does not return any value to the caller.
;-)

 

[Global]

The keyword void indicates that the main method does not return any value to the caller.
;-)

This couldn't be further from the truth. Witnessing the void can easily be someone's single strongest life changing experience. It returns much value by giving a human a rare glimpse at the totality of existence/non-existence which carries a number of implications. "Void" is both appropriate and also a poor keyword at the same time because it's often misinterpreted, but then again it could be due to its utter abstractness. There's much that can be taken away from the experience of the void once one has experienced it, and returned to put the pieces together as best as our minds allow us.

 

[darkunft]

sorry Global i should have clarified that this is a quote and the context is different.
This is the explanation for "void" used in the programming language JAVA.

But as i intended to bring up (and indicate by the smiley) and you confirmed, this is NOT true for the DMT Experience.
It is only true if you see it this way: Void in Java doesnt mean that nothing happens. the method is called and it does something, even if it does not return a value (better content) to the caller. but there are (can be) results for the whole program/data and so on.
Perhaps the Void does not return (give) "images" to the caller/smoker but it does something for him

 

[Mindlusion]

Ive never experienced "the void" on dmt... only the opposite, a reality completely saturated.

right

So one word..

5-Meo-DMT

 

[amor_fati]

Kū
空 Kū or sora, most often translated as "Void", but also meaning "sky" or "Heaven", represents those things beyond our everyday experience, particularly those things composed of pure energy. Bodily, kū represents spirit, thought, and creative energy. It represents our ability to think and to communicate, as well as our creativity. It can also be associated with power, creativity, spontaneity, and inventiveness.

Kū is of particular importance as the highest of the elements. In martial arts, particularly in fictional tales where the fighting discipline is blended with magic or the occult, one often invokes the power of the Void to connect to the quintessential creative energy of the world. A warrior properly attuned to the Void can sense their surroundings and act without thinking, and without using their physical senses.

 

[Doodazzle]

Da'ath. The place of initiation, of magick. Daath

 

[Orion]

The term is sort of impossible, because to experience nothingness is itself an incorrect statement. Having said that, I have been there. But I bet it's different for everyone. Of course it is. This wasn't with DMT either, rather a high dose of dissociatives... I saw less than nothing, yet I hadn't blacked out. A perceivable yet untangible 'less-than-nothingness'.
Like a space between empty space.

 

[amor_fati]

Da'ath. The place of initiation, of magick. Daath

I think this is perhaps a more appropriate association in that regard:

Ein Sof (or Ayn Sof) (Hebrew אין סוף), in Kabbalah, is understood as God prior to His self-manifestation in the production of any spiritual Realm, probably derived from Ibn Gabirol's term, "the Endless One" (she-en lo tiklah). Ein Sof may be translated as "no end," "unending," "there is no end," or Infinite.

Ein Sof is the divine origin of all created existence, in contrast to the Ein (or Ayn), which is infinite no-thingness. It was first used by Azriel ben Menahem, who, sharing the Neoplatonic view that God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute. Of the Ein Sof, nothing ("Ein") can be grasped ("Sof"-limitation). It is the origin of the Ohr Ein Sof, the "Infinite Light" of paradoxical Divine self-knowledge, nullified within the Ein Sof prior to Creation. In Lurianic Kabbalah, the first act of Creation, the Tzimtzum self "withdrawal" of God to create an "empty space", takes place from there. In Hasidism, the Tzimtzum is only illusionary concealment of the Ohr Ein Sof, giving rise to Monistic Panentheism. Consequently, Hasidism focuses on the Atzmus Divine essence, rooted higher within the Godhead than the Ein Sof, which is limited to infinitude, and reflected in the essence (Etzem) of the Torah and the soul.

 

[smokerx]

Its the Source

 

[oldtripper]

Wow..and here I thought "the void" was the name of a nightclub:lol:

 

[tele]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

I have no idea what is non-existence and if it's even possible. If you don't exist, then how can that be?

 

[smokerx]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

I have no idea what is non-existence and if it's even possible. If you don't exist, then how can that be?

I think that you can not experience existence without non existence. You come from source to experience your self here. Its the same like with the light. Light would not exist without dark. Or sound would not exist without silence. Thats how I feel it.

 

[embracethevoid]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

I have no idea what is non-existence and if it's even possible. If you don't exist, then how can that be?

I think that you can not experience existence without non existence. You come from source to experience your self here. Its the same like with the light. Light would not exist without dark. Or sound would not exist without silence. Thats how I feel it.

Silence is still sound, and darkness/black is still colour

 

[I AM SWIM]

It's neither good or bad. It's void. And it's not a 'place' to go to either.
There's existence and non-existence, and I'm pretty sure non-existence is void.

I have no idea what is non-existence and if it's even possible. If you don't exist, then how can that be?

That's kind of where I was going with my post. Non-existence is an intangible
concept, and we cannot even comprehend it because we are trapped within the set of existence, therefore
how can we know what it is like to not-exist? It's the same question with the same unknown answer
with questions such as, "What is it like before you were born?", or "What happens after you die?" -- Who knows?

I don't know what non-existence is either, but I think that when we die, our existence dies as well.
And that's the only way for non-existence to even be possible.

 

[smokerx]

Silence is still sound, and darkness/black is still colour

I understand where you coming from I used it as a example to express my self

If I play you a song mixed with other two or three songs how would you be able to listen to one I want you to listen ? In this dream we are having silence is silence and sound is sound.