What should I add/edit in my Tek (Q21Q21)

[q21q21]

Hey guys,
Its summer and Covid19 is happening so I have a month off an I'm unfortunately staying home for most of it. Because of that I need some things to keep me busy while my GF is at work.

Anyway, after doing a recent extraction I have re-discovered my passion for DMT and I thoughts I'd update my tek. There are a few key things I know I want to do, but as it says at the top of the tek, it's a collaboration of idea from fellow Nexians so I thought I'd reach out for suggestions as well.

So, if you have any suggestions for clarification, additional information, adjustments or what-not let me know.

Also if you just have a question about the tek you can ask it here, it might result in a useful edit as well.

 

[q21q21]

I just finished my update. I re-wrote about 60% of it with my most up-to-date information and updated all the pictures. Still open to suggestions though.

 

[Tony6Strings]

This tek was one of the handful I pored over again and again in the months leading up to my first extractions. I loved the use of colored text when discussing the different spectrums of spice. It is one of the first things that got me interested in jungle spice.

I've had great success with standard A/B method myself. I love it. But maybe one of these days, just for the heck of it, I will try out your tek.

Just one thing. You had mentioned that your stash of acetate went bad overseas. What's up with that? Maybe it doesnt store well this way?

 

[q21q21]

This tek was one of the handful I pored over again and again in the months leading up to my first extractions. I loved the use of colored text when discussing the different spectrums of spice. It is one of the first things that got me interested in jungle spice.

I've had great success with standard A/B method myself. I love it. But maybe one of these days, just for the heck of it, I will try out your tek.

Just one thing. You had mentioned that your stash of acetate went bad overseas. What's up with that? Maybe it doesnt store well this way?

Yeah, I didn't want to take grams of DMT overseas so I just brought a few doses on innocuous machine balls. I at that point I wasn't even smoking, so it took me a year or so to get to making a bong and trying them out. When I did it was like there was just dried gunk that didn't didn't produce any smoke when heated. The average temperature the country I'm in is about 30C and its pretty humid too, the balls were in a sealed glass container (opened a couple times) in a cabinet.

I just dropped 60mg of vinegar tincture DMT on them and let them evaporate. Normally this produces a powerful and easily smokable product so it was totally surprising. It was doubly surprising because in vinegar tinctures and freebase crystals it last years at least.

Right now I have 20mg test balls both evaporated then scraped up and also dropped then left to dry. I'll smoke them at 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, 6 months and 1 year and update the tek accordingly.

 

[Jin]

Hi q21q21

One thing i wanted to be clear on about your tek is that excess vinegar can always be evaporated right ? there is no need to remove it by any other method ? (after the salting step and during freebasing aswell)

 

[q21q21]

@ Jin

Evaporating the vinegar has in my experience been the most reliable method. I am in the minority in preferring this method, but the alternative methods seem to have much larger issue in my opinion.

In my tek I link to the BLAB that recommends salting out DMT-fumarate or DMT-acetate and then converting to freebase with sodium carbonate and using acetone or isopropyl alcohol these processes not only require lots of extra materials, but can lead to HUGE losses of DMT.

DMT acetate to freebase conversion with pics

So after following the blab tek but instead of using fumaric acid to precipitate the dmt, swim used vinegar instead and it yielded a lovely looking reddish resin that smelled of vinegar he then wanted to make some changa but learned it was unsmokeable in its current form and only good for oral...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

This post, which admirable as it is and well written, shows an experienced extractor losing 58% of his DMT in the process! (DMT-acetate is 1.33% the mass of DMT freebase). Any sort of re-crystallization or conversion I've tried has resulted in similar losses as well.

Since evaporation is not a chemical process like freebase conversion, it carries almost no risk of DMT loss (in my experience). The only caveat is the need to smoke DMT-acetate instead of DMT freebase.

I have started a pose to try to compile information about smoking acetates and put everything I know about it here:

Can we clarify and compile the information on smoking DMT-acetate?

As I was updating my tech, I was browsing some threads for additional information and came across a spattering of posts about smoking acetates with lots of information, many of which I know to be untrue. That being said, I am not an expert and it seems that most of the opposition to smoking...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

but I think it asks a lot of questions many people do not know, hence the lack of replies.

 

[Jin]

Thanks q21q21

 

[jah Meej]

Dab rigs work great for smoking DMT... I did mine off flower before, and I saw your method (it's basically how crack is smoked, so I'm sure it works), and I haven't tried a quartz banger in a bong/rig before but after this project I'll be doing over the next week I'll try it. I never got a fulll break through, so I was advised to try this method.

My biggest problem is getting the Naphtha back out of the bark (I'm use Tek 2, and might do a xylene pull later to get the jungle DMT left behind, if I understand it right), I'm not worried about solvent loss, also I think I stress about getting the bark too hot.
I typically would use a hot plate on low by a window with a large fan blowing straight at it, or boil water in a bowl, take off heat then add my bowl with bark.

Then I just keep replacing with fresh boiling water when it cools down, until the bark is warm enough... Kind of like a sous vide method.

Thanks so much, your tek made this SO simple for me, and I love chemistry so it was really so much fun and am finally looking forward to doing it again.

 

[Levanah]

Hi q21q21!

I've done your technique a number of times with great sucess. Thanks

I've dealed with different consistencies yet:

1) Dry and Crumbly
2) Thick Porridge
3) and something between the two

You write in your tek "Losing 50-100ml of solvent during a pull with a large batch of MHRB is quite common for me. ".

I feel this might be incorrect and should be edited. In my experience there is much moar solvent loss.

I usually extract 250g with 750ml d-limonene.

I'm just in the middle of an extraction (followed every instruction as recommended such as 75% lime per gram of MHRB) and retrieved 400ml d-limonene from 750ml d-limonene (first pull). So there is a solvent loss of 350ml. I think thats moar realistic?

I've done about 5 extractions in last few years. This time my d-limonene turned completely red. Please see the picture, it's alreay salted out with vinegar.

Left side: "normal" d-limonene (has already been used in approx. 4 extractions)
Right side: d-limonene after current extraction (already salted out with vinegar)

Does anyone have any idea why this is?

Damn it smells like citrus everywhere :thumb_up:

 

[Djay]

I feel this might be incorrect and should be edited. In my experience there is much moar solvent loss.

Will adding more limonene cause emulsion, and risk of no separation? Or it’s just a solvent loss issue?

What can be done if the solvent gets absorbed with no sign of separation?

 

[marlowe]

q21q21
Can I use 10% vinegar in this method?

 

[Transform]

q21q21
Can I use 10% vinegar in this method?

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

I'll leave you to ponder the relationship between 5% vinegar and its 10% counterpart.

 

[marlowe]

I have already bought and used 5% for peace of mind, but it is worth answering this question for future users with a similar question

 

[Transform]

I have already bought and used 5% for peace of mind, but it is worth answering this question for future users with a similar question

If it's no more expensive than half the volume of distilled water then it's a reasonable decision, I suppose.

Vinegar of any lower percentage strength can be made by diluting vinegar of a higher percentage with the appropriate volume of distilled water. The arithmetic for diluting 10% vinegar to a 5% acetic acid concentration is about as simple as it gets.

If a cup of 10% vinegar conains the equivalent of two teaspoons of acetic acid, what would you have to do so that one cup of vinegar contains only one teaspoon of acetic acid?

Clue: it's OK to end up with more than one cup of 5% vinegar.

5% vinegar contains the equivalent of one teaspoon of acetic acid per cup.

That will be fifty dollars, please.

[Edit: I think I meant dessert spoon, I never usually use "cups" as a unit of measurement…]