when making a tincture with ever clear and rue, in the context of heating with a hot plate slightly the ever clear and grinding the seeds to a fine powder and then soaking and sturring them often... how do you know when all the Harmonie is in solution and the seeds are done?
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when extracting harmalan from rue..?
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You can check under UV light if they still glow in water, but when I cook the seeds I end up with seeds that still glow after 2 hours of cooking, which I throw out because so many seeds are available...
And if everclear is alcohol, you will get harmala red... When I do an ipa wash with harmala it cannot be soaked in there for a very long time because red will form on the sides...
Harmala will drop out ouf the alcohol and form beuatifull patterns if you put it on a plate to evaporate, jaguar-like but it forms harmala red...
I always want to try to cook the seeds in a pressure cooker, which should speed up the process by 200%.
And if everclear is alcohol, you will get harmala red... When I do an ipa wash with harmala it cannot be soaked in there for a very long time because red will form on the sides...
Harmala will drop out ouf the alcohol and form beuatifull patterns if you put it on a plate to evaporate, jaguar-like but it forms harmala red...
I always want to try to cook the seeds in a pressure cooker, which should speed up the process by 200%.
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"Harmala red" is a myth, imo/ime.
A long time ago, I used to follow whiterasta's method. I ignored the supposed "harmala red" that would occasionally form when using a fan to evaporate and never encountered any of the supposed claims about it.
There was even some preliminary analysis (carried out way back in 2010) that supports this anecdotal evidence.
A long time ago, I used to follow whiterasta's method. I ignored the supposed "harmala red" that would occasionally form when using a fan to evaporate and never encountered any of the supposed claims about it.
There was even some preliminary analysis (carried out way back in 2010) that supports this anecdotal evidence.
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Two people just told you it was a myth and even linked to some references.Osiris Ra said:
Please take the time to do some research. We discourage spoonfeeding information here.
I feel like I've given you a lot of information between your two very similar threads.
SnozzleBerry said:
Well Im not saying its active, but what I do know is when I take harmala freebase (2-3 manske) put it in 99.9%IPA and let it evaporate there is a red solid crust forming on the sides. Its dark red under a microscope and it comes from harmala, so for me its harmala red. And you can see a reaction is going on while evaporation, you can test it.
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Afaik, the only reason that "harmala red" ever moved out of the dye literature and into psychedelic discussion is because people claimed that it was evidence of a loss of yield/conversion to inactive product. That just doesn't to be the case, ime (or jamie's), and there's some preliminary analytical evidence to verify that.
I'm not denying that "harmala red" forms. I'm merely asserting that the formation of "harmala red," while relevant to those interested in dying fabrics, is irrelevant to those extracting alkaloids.
I hope that helps to clarify my earlier statement
I'm not denying that "harmala red" forms. I'm merely asserting that the formation of "harmala red," while relevant to those interested in dying fabrics, is irrelevant to those extracting alkaloids.
I hope that helps to clarify my earlier statement
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When you say it had a loss of yield, I assume the yield you are referring to is your freebase minus the quantity of harmala red?
burnt's analysis shows that the makeup of this particular instance of harmala red was 33% harmaline, 62% harmine, 2% harmalol (another β-carboline), and an assumed 3% unknowns. So in essence, in this case, harmala red was 95% comprised of the two most desirable harmala alkaloids.
So, if you are not counting the harmala red in your yield, there will certainly be less harmalas present. Again, I'm not saying that it doesn't form, I'm saying that you treat it as a desirable part of your extract.
burnt's analysis shows that the makeup of this particular instance of harmala red was 33% harmaline, 62% harmine, 2% harmalol (another β-carboline), and an assumed 3% unknowns. So in essence, in this case, harmala red was 95% comprised of the two most desirable harmala alkaloids.
So, if you are not counting the harmala red in your yield, there will certainly be less harmalas present. Again, I'm not saying that it doesn't form, I'm saying that you treat it as a desirable part of your extract.
SnozzleBerry said:
Just because snoozleberry says something doesn't make it scientific fact and that everything needs to be stopped and done just how snoozleberry says. Your joe blow on forum. In the OP I ask about ethanol extract your response was, if you read above don't do that do this. I didn't ask about peoples opinions in the OP on what they think is a better tek then what I was doing. If you would of said something to the tune of: When I was doing ethanol extracts on rue I found it to be costly and more work involved then I learned about doing an A/B extract and found that to be much more effective if its harmaline your after.
Joe blow A says that ethanol extract makes harmala red.
Joe blow B says no it doesnt look at the research
Joe blow C says I agree with B.
Giving that all of these are opinions and that because I or others my be taking a ethanol rue extract and that out of concern for health and/or people safety if harmala red was something that was dangerous I think I have every right to inquire a little more on others opinions on the subject so i don't appreciate this quote "Two people just told you it was a myth and even linked to some references ". Just because you have an opinion and a reference to support it doesn't make it scientific fact. Even tho I am thankful that you did take the time to dig up the link and support your opinion with a reference.
"We discourage spoonfeeding information here" What gives you the right to speak for everyone on this forum? You may not choose to spoonfeed others information as you may have done alot of work to learn what you know or have some other reason, but I find that when teaching someone something new that I get the best results when I tell them my experience, in a vocabulary they understand, and try and answer there questions a simply and directly as possible. If thats your idea of "spoonfeeding" then thats on you but don't speak for others speak for your self.
"I feel like I've given you a lot of information between your two very similar threads."
With all of this "lot of information" that you have giving me you still have not answered the question of the OP. Why don't your try not giving people alot of information and telling them what to do or not to do and just answer there question. Or if you don't want to give them the information or expect them to dig through piles of research to get what there looking for then maybe you should just not respond at all.
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Ok, to your original question...Osiris Ra said:
You know all the harmony is in solution when you only hear the lead vocals coming from the seedsOsiris Ra said:
Osiris Ra said:
I respectfully suggest that you acquaint yourself with the Attitude on which this forum is founded.
The Attitude said:
I think you will find that conversations are more fruitful when you put in a little more thought and effort before posing questions.
You will find that this is really a community of individuals who are happy to help. SnozzleBerry provided you with some good information which is directly relevant to your extraction, and you have responded by flying off the handle at him. Imagine if rather than becoming upset, you instead posted something like this:
"I appreciate the information that you've provided, but I'm not sure I understand how this will help me to know when the seeds are spent and all of the alkaloids are in solution. Could you clarify?"
That would be far more respectful of the efforts that people put into helping you, and it would be more likely to get to the information that you desire.
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