When to share the spice?

[red_lego_spaceman]

My first attempt with smoking my extract was a good example of what not to do, and it's made me think a lot about when it is or isn't appropriate to share the spice.

After my first extract, I was excited at my success, but still had a healthy fear of going into hyperspace. So I just held onto it for a few days and didn't do anything. But I told a friend of mine that the extraction had been successful, and he was excited and wanted to smoke it right away. His attitude seemed reckless to me, but mine seemed overcautious, so I let myself be talked into it. We loaded some (I didn't have a scale then) into my Iolite vaporizer. I agree with other posters that this is not the tool of choice. Basically, nothing happened. Then I let my friend talk me into using my bubbler. We loaded a LOT more in. Now that I have a rough idea about these things, I'd say it was easily over 100mg, maybe close to 180. I sensed this was a bad idea, and didn't partake. My friend tried it, but due to a combination of bad technique and possibly tolerance from the tokes on the Iolite, nothing really happened. A waste of spice, but I know we dodged a bullet there. The whole thing was a misfire.

Looking back, I never want to do anything like this again. I don't want people coming to my place wanting to get high, I don't intend to discuss these activities at all, and my new rule will be that I won't share with anyone who hasn't already done the extraction themselves. If they lack the discipline and will to do it properly, I'm not going to make it easy for them to do it improperly.

That said, my friend isn't a dickhead- he's just not a spiritually inclined person. I've done other psychedelics with him, and it's always been fine. I don't think he's disrespectful, I think he just doesn't understand. Maybe the proper experience would make him see DMT in the same light I do. But since I'm inexperienced myself, I'm not in a position to explain anything to anyone or to teach anything. That's why I was hesitant to begin with.

Next time he asks about it, I'm going to tell him he has to do the extraction himself before I'll smoke with him. I'm curious, though- what do you think about sharing with friends? Under what conditions would or wouldn't you introduce someone to DMT?

 

[Fizzy]

I shared my DMT with 4 or 5 people so far (some more than just one time) but 2 of them participated in the extraction process (my ex-girlfriend and my girlfriend, gosh I love her ) The others were very close friends of mine.

I won't share with anyone who hasn't already done the extraction themselves.

DMT is one amoung other psychedelic drugs. Would you only share LSD if you know that the other person has already made it himself once? Share if you feel ready to do so. BUT get to know the drug you are giving away before you give it away

I love shareing and in my opinion, it is very good to do so. You just have to make sure who you share it with. Talk to the people, answer their questions. And don't let yourself get talked into handing a drug away if don't feel able to take responsibility.


lots of love

 

[arcanum]

Nothing wrong with the sharing aspect of your account. Get your buddy to go 50-50 with you on a GVG and your both good to go. Watch the dose though. ( should'nt need much more than 25-35mg for a first experience)

Peace

 

[Yerba]

It doesn't sound like there is a problem with sharing, so much as it sounds like you are uncomfortable about blasting off in general. Check out the Visual DMT Diagram, it's got a lot of great info not only on smoking technique but on how to get in the right mindset.

Slow tokes, hold them, and SMILE!

 

[powerup]

SWIM shared the mushroom from a grow, and will be very cautious about doing so in the future. The guy was very experienced but also cocky. He claimed to have a high tolerance, in his words due to years of using psychedelics. A few months later the guy decided to eat them all one night. When it came on he thought he was dying and called 911. He got into trouble with the po-po, but luckily he was cool enough not to give me up.

Anyway, it pays to be a little paranoid. My new rule is not to share with anyone who brags about anything. haha

 

[Global]

You wouldn't share with that guy again, and he doesn't sound like the kind of guy I would share with either, but that wouldn't stop me from sharing with all those who I think do or can respect it (if so humbled). I think I'm probably a bit more lenient than some around here, but if you have the strong desire to partake, and I don't assess it to be a reckless or over-unprepared individual (different from unprepared individual --- I think most people who get a full taste of DMT for the first time are unprepared as a sort of default), then it's fine by me, and out of the numerous people who I've acquainted with the molecule, there's about a 5% dissatisfaction rate.

You gotta let them know what they're in for, and you gotta be brutally honest. Let them know the good, the bad, the intense, the mellow, and everywhere in between in the complete unpredictability of the experience. At the same time, they should feel safe with you and trust you. Remind them that the intense part of the trip is pretty short, but it may take a full 10-20 minutes to stop fully tripping where there still may be an abundance of colors, patterns and morphing objects/surfaces even after the main intense part of the trip which generally lasts 2-5 minutes is over. Let them know however far out they get, reality will reconstruct itself with or without you (and mostly without), and that when all's said and done whether you've experienced bliss or terror, you'll most likely have a relatively hard time remembering exactly what either felt like even as you're coming out of it much less 20 minutes later or more. These sorts of lessons are those that are best learned through experience, so for first timers, your words can only be crude armor that can hopefully withstand an awe-inspiring and most likely confusing first encounter with the molecule. After you've gone over within reason what over-arching events are possible (including the feeling of death/dying as well as entity encounters of all sorts, etc...) and they still wanna go through with it, and their intentions seem semi-decent, then I usually will give the A ok. We have to remember that not everybody's perfect, and that some people with a slightly "misguided" attitude might need just the adjustment DMT has in store. I feel like a much better person than from before smoking DMT, and when I read some of the stuff I wrote early on, it almost makes me cringe as I tell people not to do some of those things now, but it's all a learning experience.

 

[smokerx]

I agree with Global thats the way I do it as well. I tell my friends about it all I know and let them to decide. If I see that they are stressed or not sure then I tell them not to do it till they know for sure that dmt is the thing they want to do.

When I first heard about dmt I read all about it all I found. I knew it was something I must do. So it got to the point where I extracted it my self. This is the feeling I am trying to find in them. The feeling of DMT calling. If I dont see it I tell them to wait and think about it first. If they dont come back I know I made the right decision.

 

[red_lego_spaceman]

Thanks for the input, everyone. I agree with Yerba that I'm probably less hesitant about sharing than about blasting off in general. So maybe I don't have to be so uptight about sharing, but I'm definitely going to familiarize myself first. Lately I feel like when I was a kid trying to learn to do a somersault on the diving board. It's like I'm standing on the board, knowing I have to just jump, but I keep finding excuses to wait, or do a 10mg dose instead of 25.

With my friend, I think there were a number of overlapping things making the experience weird:

1) I had no idea how much spice I was loading or how to smoke properly. (Which I've since remedied by getting an accurate scale and GVG.)

2) I had never done it before myself, so was uncomfortable being thrust into the role of guide.

3) I wasn't sure I actually wanted to blast off with him simultaneously. (And now I know I don't! Exploring the far reaches of the mind can be personal! I'll try it with my girlfriend sometimes, but I agree with others who prefer to travel solo.)

If my friend really feels called, I'll weigh out a 25mg dose and hold the GVG for him so he doesn't drop my $100 baby. But I'm not going to do this until I've broken through myself at least once. Lately I've been feeling this shakey, anxiety-depression. I think it's my ego feeling freaked out about its own impending demise. When I've worked through this, I might be in a better position to determine when to share. And if my friend starts asking for it more than once, THAT's when I'll make him do his own damn extraction.

Peace