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Where are we at a grass tek?

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sorry, but I need to bump this thread. Now is the season here for collecting wild grass and it is everywhere. I have a bed of wild arundinacea seeds germinating right now indoors beside my caapi and mimosa and we need all of the information we can collect on these grasses.
 
Well..anything that is not here already I guess..

Really though I wish there was more first hand reports of people using the grass..like that post above from last night about using the big medicine strain..except less vague. People always say "oh yeah I used it, it kinda worked or it did work etc"..but vague statements like that really dont help us at all. Specific details reguarding it's effects, side effects, how it was prepared and consumed and how it compared to others like mimosaetc..was it more like 5meo or DMT, or more like something else altogether?..

For me the effects have varried with arundinacea. I actaully did do extractions and smoked the resulting goo I have ended up with. Definite tryptamine effects were experienced, though I only took small doses as I was cautious and so the pleasant "trip" like effects were minor along with other less interesting and comfortable side effects..possible hordenine. The bulk of these experiments were more in line with my DMT experiences, in that there was some very minor visuals, but once with grass I collected in the winter, that was all yellow and dead looking I experienced what I would imagine 5meo to be like..though I never had pure 5meo to compare it to.

I know I have stated all this before, prob in this thread..but it is important becasue very few people have actaully done an extraction and proceeded to test what they came up with. Most people I hear of just throwing the resulting goo or whatever away. Since people like Jim DeKorn and Johnney Appleseed seem to have great experiences reported with oral grass from a juicer(and even smoking the evaporated juice in salt form I assume) it would really help us out if anyone with any type of experience at all consuming these products could be as detailed as possible when talking about it. This way we can figure this whole thing out much more effectivly.
 
Any developments here? :) I am currently working on several different species of grass. Would be interesting to see if some other members could help out too!

Could someone give me a brief summary of what extraction teks seems to work or not work, and why? Could we perhaps make an eco friendly tek?

Stay tuned for a lot more work on these grasses! But please, help out you too! :)
 
I am in the middle of a tek..the tea is sitting in my fridge I have just been side tracked by all these other things I am doing..

and when I am done I will test it on myself..that is something that I do not see enough of to be honest..alot of people do extractions..end up with a goo or whatever..some even xtals but never ever really bioassay it.
 
fractal enchantment said:
I am in the middle of a tek..the tea is sitting in my fridge I have just been side tracked by all these other things I am doing..

and when I am done I will test it on myself..that is something that I do not see enough of to be honest..alot of people do extractions..end up with a goo or whatever..some even xtals but never ever really bioassay it.
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That's great! Please provide as much information as you can, about the species/variant used, how the tek was done and what the end-product was, and of course how the effects were. Great work mate! :)
 
okay grass has too much fats and chlorophyll to go straight to base, we know this

A traditional a/b is tedious and wasteful... You make an acidified soup of your grass you use lots and lots and lots of solvent trying to defat large amounts of grass, then you basify and pull likely still ending up with some goo as a result.

Alternative 1:
B/A/B
Start by going straight to base, evap up the solvent for a fatty/chlorophyll goo product. Now you add acid water to the goo, and defat with just a tiny bit of solvent, then you can basify and pull for your product. You use much less solvent defatting a few grams of goo as opposed to hundreds of grams of grass. Simple economics, less wasted solvent = better way to go.

Example 1:
Make a grass tea, base with lye to ph 13. pull with xylene. Evap up xylene for goo. Dissolve goo in vinegar, Defat a couple times with a small amount of xylene. Base with lye to ph 13. pull into xylene and Evap off xylene for full spectrum freebase alks or pull into naptha and freezer precip for (theoretically) pure spice.

Alternative 2:
Salt
Instead of evapping your straight to base solvent you can salt out to acetates or fumerates, this has close to the same effect as doing an a/b without all the tedious defatting of large amounts of grass since the fats will stay in the solvent and the alks will migrate to the acid layer. You can then proceed to mini a/b on the alkaloid salts or just convert directly to freebase for a full spectrum product.

Example 2:
Make a grass tea, base with lye to ph 13. Pull with limonine. Combine limonine and pull a few times with vinegar or fasw. Evap off vinegar or fumeric water for goo or xtals respectively. You can then proceed to to the mini a/b from above for (theoretically) pure spice, or you can drytek the goo/xtals with sodium carbonate or lime and pull into acetone then evap the acetone for full spectum freebase or pull with naptha and freezer precip for (theoretically) pure spice.

As per eco-friendly tek:
Do a limtek basing with lime, pulling into limonine and salting to acetate with vinegar or fumerates with fumeric acid. Then do a sodium carbonate conversion in water. This will give a full spectrum freebase product however and other alks such as gramine will likely be present. (vegetable oil may be able to used in place of limonine here making it a true grocery store tek)

Hope that all makes sense
 
what i have been working on is STB, pulling with dlimo...and then i use FASI to precipitate the dmt out of the dlimo...acting as a very efficient defatting step...then from there you can freebase it using the water recrystallization technique..so the only chemicals you use is dlimonene, sodium hydroxide, fumaric acid, and sodium carbonate..
 
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