who else uses ayahuasca/orally active dmt once a week?

[Jamie01]

I have never found barks to have negative qualities not present in leaf sources. I’d say that is placebo or people are reacting to tannins.

Weed definitely does not hinder oral brews lol.

 

[Mimosaquero]

I have never found barks to have negative qualities not present in leaf sources. I’d say that is placebo or people are reacting to tannins.

Weed definitely does not hinder oral brews lol.

in my experience alot weed smokers espec heavy ones dont notice the negative effects. if it works for you then go ahead, but in my experience and many many others weed negatively impacts the experience. in the end though its all about your relationship with weed, and alot of people cant have a healthy one ive noticed. alot of weed smokers are all day everyday users, but like i said if it works for you then go ahead.

 

[Jamie01]

i spent a few months in the amazon with huni kuin taitas and they told me the same thing. they said bark is fine but in order to properly use them you have to add purgatives to keep out the bark sediment and such. i def can get chacruna or chaliponga, what do you think a good dose of chaliponga would be? i usually sit around 5-6g of mimosa cause i feel anything higher is not needed unless you got weak bark.

I’d say be happy you have any DMT plants at all…especially such a potent pure source Iike mimosa. These comparisons are not even relevant ime. Chaliponga warmer than mimosa? Why are we reducing things down to “barks” vs “leaves”? Which barks? Which leaves? I honestly don’t know what people are taking about sometimes but you don’t need a better DMT source than mimosa. Be grateful for mimosa.

 

[Jamie01]

in my experience alot weed smokers espec heavy ones dont notice the negative effects. if it works for you then go ahead, but in my experience and many many others weed negatively impacts the experience. in the end though its all about your relationship with weed, and alot of people cant have a healthy one ive noticed. alot of weed smokers are all day everyday users, but like i said if it works for you then go ahead.

Which negative effects are the ones that weed users don’t notice?

 

[Mimosaquero]

Which negative effects are the ones that weed users don’t notice?

daily weed smoking effects your cognitive and emotional depth which will effect your sessions with mimosa. but if you plan on smoking weed its also fine, im just sharing my knowledge and experience since i know its very common for heavy weed smokers to be addicted to the plant. but i go with the rule of thumb as long it serves you in any way it still is good, but id advise to try to not make weed a daily/all day thing.

 

[Jamie01]

I have been using oral brews and pharma for 18 years. I had a 5 or so year period where I had quit weed and still drank the brews. Honestly, I prefer weed in my life…but in relation to pretty much all of these entheogens-I also prefer weed lol.

I find my sessions are deeper, more spacious and potent with cannabis vs without. I literally need less brew. This is all day every day use and it’s medical. I mean real medical use not made up because I want to be high…But still I wanna be high lol and my use predates any diagnosis in my life.

I honestly feel just in terms of its interaction with ayahuasca or mushrooms etc, it’s a welcome bonus.

Tobacco, well that’s one I can do without and does seem to maybe negatively effect the experience…but it is traditional and people do seem to like it. I’m not saying I don’t like tobacco, I just find it far more detrimental in the long term vs cannabis.

 

[Mimosaquero]

I have been using oral brews and pharma for 18 years. I had a 5 or so year period where I had quit weed and still drank the brews. Honestly, I prefer weed in my life…but in relation to pretty much all of these entheogens-I also prefer weed lol.

I find my sessions are deeper, more spacious and potent with cannabis vs without. I literally need less brew. This is all day every day use and it’s medical. I mean real medical use not made up because I want to be high…But still I wanna be high lol and my use predates any diagnosis in my life.

I honestly feel just in terms of its interaction with ayahuasca or mushrooms etc, it’s a welcome bonus.

Tobacco, well that’s one I can do without and does seem to maybe negatively effect the experience…but it is traditional and people do seem to like it. I’m not saying I don’t like tobacco, I just find it far more detrimental in the long term vs cannabis.

im glad you find good effect from cannabis! if it serves you well then dont feel the need to change it up.

 

[Jamie01]

I have no experience with acacia confusa. I have tons of experience drinking mimosa, Chaliponga..some experience with psychotria and I have used acacia phyllodes as well as grass extracts.

Chacruna honestly is the one I have the least find memories of. I’m pretty sure my aquatica is higher yielding. Having to drink like 30-50 grams for a dose was unpleasant and made for physically unpleasant sessions compared to what I was already using…being mimosa and Chaliponga. It’s just a lot more plant stuff you have to drink.

At the end of the day if you have potent DMT admixture plants, expect powerful DMT effects at the appropriate dose. That includes the nausea and heavy, difficult trips. DMT extracted and vaped from all these plants does the DMT thing ime.

The real big differences with admixtures for me are more apparent when/where the alkaloid profiles differ.

I guess it’s like mushrooms. Some species for sure feel better than others. At larger doses though they all melt reality, and the ego.

 

[northape]

what do you think a good dose of chaliponga would be? i usually sit around 5-6g of mimosa cause i feel anything higher is not needed unless you got weak bark.

Oh, we're all so different and material varies. Your preparation method influences the brew quite a lot too. Recently I moved toward using rainwater and you never get insanely strong brews that way, yet they are somehow more penetrating and balanced. Find chali, cook a batch, and test for potency.

Leaves are certainly more purgative than barks. You can't hold the brew down at some point. However, it's all good and part of the process. Just don't expect a mimosa level of intensity and fireworks. Reflecting back, I was kinda addicted to it too. Leaves are a softer, saner, and more natural approach. Yes, it's not as exciting and requires work, but there are some real benefits too. In my case, it took me almost two years to clear all the blocks that I created using barks. Just be aware of the implications. Oh, I approach it all shamanically or energy-wise, so I don't really care what alkaloids are inside. For me, I'm working with chali, for example. It's a living entity that comes to life when ingested into a conscious system. The Western worldview is fine, but it's just a working theory and not the Truth.

mushrooms are usually much more difficult for me during the peak of higher doses. They dissolve my sense of self more efficiently and are more risky in regards to paranoia/anxiety/delusions etc for me. Although ironically I enjoyed them more to. I might not be the norm here but there is definitely a lot of individual variation when it comes to this stuff.

I feel that's the biggest advantage of mushrooms. Somehow they give a stronger psychological opening than DMT. I'm talking about local liberty caps btw.
Mimosa serves a similar purpose with its craziness, imo. It depends on your dose of harmalas though. Anyhow, chaos is a valuable aspect of any medicine plant, but it's only for specific occasions. Chacruna was the closest to mushrooms for me - not in effects, but in that psychology domain.

I have never found barks to have negative qualities not present in leaf sources. I’d say that is placebo or people are reacting to tannins.

Could be your personal physiology too. We're all very different in how we react. Hope people do get it.

I’m not saying I don’t like tobacco, I just find it far more detrimental in the long term vs cannabis.

I love tobacco much more than cannabis, and my psyche agrees with it more. It's a personal preference once again. Although, you do pay with your lifespan for tobacco use.
It's basically a poison that is medicinal if the dose is right.

 

[TransistorBass]

This thread is making me wonder if the TnT Vodka TEK would work with Charcruna or Chaliponga and ‘if’ the extract would have different feels?

 

[northape]

This thread is making me wonder if the TnT Vodka TEK would work with Charcruna or Chaliponga and ‘if’ the extract would have different feels?

Try it out. Ime, these medicines are far more than just DMT. Like, the purgative components in the leaves are a nature's safety mechanism. You just vomit if it gets too out of hand. Doing the same with mimosa tea or TnT tek would be much harder. I remember many times just dry-heaving without much chance of relief. Pure cold water becomes your best friend in these moments. Nature is the best chemist out here, and some of her creations are better left alone. It's that coca vs. cocaine discussion once again. Although, for any sane individual, the difference should be apparent. I respect all positions, but I stick to what I know and have trust in.

 

[Mimosaquero]

Try it out. Ime, these medicines are far more than just DMT. Like, the purgative components in the leaves are a nature's safety mechanism. You just vomit if it gets too out of hand. Doing the same with mimosa tea or TnT tek would be much harder. I remember many times just dry-heaving without much chance of relief. Pure cold water becomes your best friend in these moments. Nature is the best chemist out here, and some of her creations are better left alone. It's that coca vs. cocaine discussion once again. Although, for any sane individual, the difference should be apparent. I respect all positions, but I stick to what I know and have trust in.

im very mystical/energetic when it comes to these medicines. i believe the science/new age beliefs around these things arent able to properly explain them. its because these plants arent scientific they're spiritual beings, the more i drink the more i realize this. espec since when i do the traditional way of drinking like i was taught in the amazon i always have a clear blissful session (which i still consider difficult/terror session blissful) but if i try to go the route of "its just a drug" and just consume them and sit around and wait for the effect it always produces effects that are not liked in the slightest. so for me i try to make these all ceremonial, ill chant/whistle, play harmonica or even do dances cause i feel it guides the experience very well, i know not all feel this way but i think these experiences are spiritual by default so we should respect their place in this world as teachers not just "drugs" even though they very much are we should be very respectful and careful with them. i also feel like mimosa+rue def are recreational in the way that most of my sessions i really enjoy them, i dont get the whole thing others sometimes talk about how its not a "recreational" experience i find myself in alot of bliss during my sessions but then again im so used to the brew both traditional yage and mimosa+rue that i dont ever get sick. i find mushroom make me far far more sick then aya/mimosa+rue ever does.

 

[Jamie01]

its because these plants arent scientific they're spiritual beings,

This is a different discussion. Everything alive and maybe some not alive things are spiritual beings. Everything humans touch and create comes from the earth.

Most of this chemistry stuff comes from alchemy. The assumptions made about extracting vs a tea are a bit old. A tea is an extraction. If people really believed that the plants should be consumed whole and unaltered they should powder the whole plants and just eat them

I don’t disbelieve is spirits. I just know that whatever they are removing most of the organic material in an extract aka brewing tea does not = no spirits.

 

[TransistorBass]

You just vomit if it gets too out of hand.

Other than horrible alcohol, MDMA is the only thing that has made me vomit. When your body realises it was a strong pill on the come up and tries to clear its self, you feel top of the world afterwards.
If my next sessions with the TnT Tek continue as the first, I'm going to be all good.

 

[Mimosaquero]

@Jamie01

in my opinion extracts are fine as long as its full spec. im very against isolating the active chemicals personally. each to their own though, i just think its disrespectful towards the plant to isolate it.

 

[universecannon]

@Jamie01

in my opinion extracts are fine as long as its full spec. im very against isolating the active chemicals personally. each to their own though, i just think its disrespectful towards the plant to isolate it.

Well to each their own but it's just another type of extraction. Teas leave out plenty of the plant content to. It's all nature at the end of the day. If the ancient indigenous peoples who discovered this stuff knew a way to isolate it and smoke it I'd be surprised if they didn't utilize that route as well, given the lengths they often went to utilize their immediate environment. Do you have any experience with crystal DMT? What was your experience like?

I think the distinction between the material/scientific/spiritual is sort of arbitrary. It's all just words trying to describe an ocean of movement we don't fully understand. It's fun to speculate but if it is disrespectful I find it odd then that most of the best experiences of my life have involved isolated DMT, often times in combination with other plants. Just playing devils advocate here and it's of course subjective

 

[TransistorBass]

@Jamie01

in my opinion extracts are fine as long as its full spec. im very against isolating the active chemicals personally. each to their own though, i just think its disrespectful towards the plant to isolate it.

I eat all my meals completely deconstructed so as not to disrespect the maker of life

Been watching Resident Alien on the telly box lately so I can quote "This is some bullshit"

 

[Mimosaquero]

Do you have any experience with crystal DMT? What was your experience like?

yes, i find it very okay. its just "eye candy" in my opinion it was a game changer when i started mixing dmt with harmala, i personally think dmt alone is a incomplete product and harmalas complete it. of course though this is my opinion and experience so do whatever serves you the best. i just think harmala's really show the true nature of dmt, i do prefer plant brews though i dont really like pharma since it feels to "modern" and robotic while mimosa has very organic feels to it like ill see visions of the jungle and animals like jaguars and serpents, it all comes down to preference though.

 

[Mimosaquero]

i also wanna try mimosa ophthalmocentra one day, i heard its rare to find sadly. i wanna try it for its Hordenine content which is one of the stimmy compounds found within cacti.

 

[universecannon]

I eat all my meals completely deconstructed so as not to disrespect the maker of life

Been watching Resident Alien on the telly box lately so I can quote "This is some bullshit"

Not really any need to poke fun or make this an argument. It's just different opinions. Though I'm not familiar with the show so maybe I'm missing the point of the reference