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Why Are Chaliponga Plants So Rare?

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Nathanial.Dread

Nathanial.Dread

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Title says it all, really. I've seen a number of vendors that sell cuttings of Chacruna, Salvia and others, but it's proving really hard to source a Chaliponga.

I couldn't help but wonder if maybe there was some fact about the plant I didn't know. Are they really hard to grow in captivity, or do they not produce viable seeds (a la Salvia) or what?

Cheers
~ ND

EDIT - In light of dreamers post, I will straight up say that if anyone knows how to source a live Chaliponga plant, or the seeds, by all means, let me know.
 
We are allowed to discuss sourcing of live plants and seeds here, so if anyone out there has a source of either for Diplopterys cabrerana please do post it or at least pm me about it. 😉

In my many years googling around trying to find out what's up with this plant I've seen it explained a couple places that these plants don't clone well and are hard to get going outside of the Amazon. I can only assume this plant doesn't seed much or they are hard to germinate or some such and that's why seeds are not easily available either.

Apparently clones do get around and some people do cultivate this one but they are rare and hard to obtain. I'm guessing the main reason it never made it to the global marketplace is that it doesn't propagate nearly as easily as caapi and psychotria do. Also, it's a lot weirder experience than chacruna and lot of people don't like its effects so there is less incentive to pursue it.

I asked Kat Harrison this very question at Psychedelic Science. She said that they are hard to get going but once they are going they are pretty hardy. She advised that you would want a greenhouse. She was on her way out so that's all the exchange I had with her, but she gave me her contact info and told me to e-mail her if I wanted to pursue it further.
 
Nothing, I'm afraid :(
I'm also living in a dorm room, so I don't have the resources to grow a hothouse plant, so I consequently haven't been looking.

Blessings
~ND
 
The only vendor that I knew of who offered chaliponga plants as "coming soon" never really made good on that statement in a meaningful way. I think dreamer's post is dead-on. Keep your eyes/ears open...but even if you do acquire one, it's probably going to be fairly intensive to care for outside of its typical climate zone.
 
dreamer042 said:
We are allowed to discuss sourcing of live plants and seeds here, so if anyone out there has a source of either for Diplopterys cabrerana please do post it or at least pm me about it. 😉
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Why are there no seeds available??! :(
 
dreamer042 said:
primordium said:
dreamer042 said:
We are allowed to discuss sourcing of live plants and seeds here, so if anyone out there has a source of either for Diplopterys cabrerana please do post it or at least pm me about it. 😉
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Why are there no seeds available??! :(
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Read the rest of post #2 :p
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Yeah, I did read it.

But where there is demand, I would still assume supply. :surprised
 
It seems like what few public offerings that have been made for seed have been expensive and ended up being species of Banisteriopsis, rather than D. cab.. Apparently seed germination isn't the easiest either, though I'm sure folks would get this going if it was available as they have with notoriously difficult T. iboga and others.
 
A friend of mine in the valley of kings got a plant from one of Terrance McKenna's properties on the island and I tried to clone it a couple times. Any time I took a cutting they never made it, air layering might work but I didn't try. I eventually got a baby from it one time when the valley flooded bad and buried part of one plant in River sand and jungle dirt. The next time I come back it was rooted so I cut it and repotted. It took months for it to recover but it's growing now.
 
Sad to say but nope, don't see anything that looks like chaliponga there.

Have you seen the pic over at STS where that one guy has a good sized chaliponga?

See here if you haven't: Login

Also regarding my original question a friend on another forum had this to say:

My homie said they won’t let us have the diplopterys because “they can teach you how to fly”. He was down there and they didn’t gaf about psychotria or banisteriopsis but freaked out when he asked for a cut of the dc

Note: dc=Diplopterys cabrerana=chaliponga
 
Cannabisgardener said:
Not suggesting this as a reputable source nor do I have experience with dealing with them. But apparently kiwi listed some plants as this
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What kiwi was offering as D. cab (chaliponga) turned out to be Alicia anisopetala. Someone here grew it out and submitted some for chemical analysis. It was found to have no alkaloids that were a match in the GC/MS database (meaning there's no DMT in it, or harmalas, or just about anything else we know of that is psychoactive). A number of people have bioassayed the plant as well and the results were ambiguous at best.

Check out the plant analysis thread.
 
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