Why can't I break through?

[Digest Yourself]

I had a nice break through using a stb extraction with lye on this same product. I want to get away from lye, it's so nasty, so I did the a/b with lime. great results, pure white NNDMT. I've tried to break through with it 4 times already. 3 times I just seemed to not get enough, the 4 I upped the dose a lot and seemed to have a black out. None of the times were colorful at all. what's going on? I'm basing off tin foil. Is the dmt less stable with out its fats and oils? am i burning it? any help would be great.

 

[nyru40]

If you have access to another mode of smoalking, I would recommend using a meth pipe or a bong (or of course something effective like the GVG or Machine type vaporizer). I've found what's essential in my breakthroughs is getting the majority of the material in the first or second hit.

For me, that's easiest with a large bong, using ash on either side of the elfspice to insulate and help it vaporize without burning. I can get 30-40 mg easily in one toke, though I personally aim for around 25. I've heard the GVG is marvelous for this as well, though I can't personally voutch

 

[SmoovPnCali]

I tried using an empty coke bottle and tin foil before I got my GVG. I can say with relative confidence, your burning most of the Spice and only vaporizing a small portion.

I had used a glass vaporizing pipe (crack type pipe) as well. My mostly uneventful experiences with these "tools", prompted me to save up and invest in the Glass Vapor Genie (GVG). If you are going to have an extended relationship with the Spice, it is worth the investment.

GVG is definatley the way to go.... :thumb_up:

 

[dreamer042]

Here is a nice thread that may be of some use:

Attn. If your having a hard time breaking through read this

 

[edge2054]

I was using a few different tin foil methods at first as well and had some trouble with it (mostly burning the spice).

Since I don't have the money to invest in a GVG I researched some other methods and ended up making a 'crack pipe' out of two copper chore boy screens and a metal tire gauge.

To make it...

Take the tire gauge apart and save the long metal tube.

Cut off two small pieces from the chore boy and scrunch both into a ball. These pieces should be about half an inch in diameter once fully scrunched up. Repeatedly throw the chore boy screens at your counter top or other working surface to get rid of any copper scraps left behind from you cutting the chore boy (you don't want to accidently suck one of them into your lungs.)

Soak the tire gauge and your two screens in rubbing alcohol to remove any resin left over from them being machined.

Stuff the first screen into the wide end of your metal tube and push it down a bit. Load your spice and gently heat the outside of the tube until the spice melts into the screen. Push the second screen into the pipe to give the spice some space from your lighter (basically this will be your heating element).

To smoke hold just the tip of the flame of a bic lighter up to the second, non-spice loaded, screen. Inhale slowly. When your lungs are nearly full remove the lighter and continue to inhale (the pipe will still have residual heat so will continue to vaporize the spice for a bit after you remove the flame).

The only draw back I've found with this method is that I can't see the vapor so you have to gauge your inhale speed etc. based on taste. I plan to buy a eucalyptus inhaler at some point and give that a go but I'm somewhat nervous about having to deal with a hot piece of glass as I'm blasting off.

I also roll the pipe while I smoke so that any melted spice pooling on the bottom of the pipe will move around. I'm not sure if this is needed but it's an old habit from smoking meth in my younger years.

Something else worth mentioning is maybe close your eyes? I was smoking with my eyes open and experienced some really amazing things but I wasn't having experiences close to what others had described as breakthroughs. I did some research and a lot of people suggested closed vs. open eyes. So the other night I took one large hit and laid back with my eyes closed. Was a very intense near breakthrough experience and I'm sure at higher doses (this must have been less then 25mg) and with more experience/readiness I'll be able to breakthrough fairly easily in the future.

 

[Leon Trout]

enhance some leaf man... it's foolproof...

 

[endlessness]

I think its fine to get a discussion going but please, Digest Yourself, read the FAQ before asking questions!

This is not the first time that you've been asked to do it, and just today I see two threads of yours that have answers in the FAQ, the dark naphtha one and this one.

 

[VoidTraveler]

Please be careful with using aluminum foil to smoke DMT off. There has been a link between Alzheimer's disease and aluminium. The so called 'Alzheimer's plaques' inside the brain contain aluminium ions.

There is no direct evidence that the use of aluminium foil leads to Alzheimer's at this point, but the presence of aluminium ions makes me cautious. Better to avoid the risk if you can.