Why does DMT get all the attention?

[mateo]

Other than the obvious reason (which is the effects it produces), why does the DMT molecule get all the attention opposed to other naturally occuring chemicals? Bufotenin and 5-MeO-DMT are also produced by the human body, yet they aren't paid near as much attention.

Also, what is *truly* known about DMT? There seems to be many theories floating around about it, some even very plausible, but as far as I can tell none of it has been proven. For example, schizophrenics having a higher level of DMT in their bodies, pretty sure that's been disproven. Also what evidence is there that DMT is released during sleep, meditation, birth or death? While neat, Strassman himself said that none of it was proven, yet so many go around spreading such theories...

As far as I can tell, DMT only exists in trace amounts within the body. Then there's other questions. Such as, did human pineal glands shrink as of recently? We know fluoride is ruining the pineal, but do people really have ESP abilities? If anyone has other knowledge or interesting facts, please share.

 

[VIII]

As mentioned Strassman put forth a good deal of speculation and personal theory in his book and eventually movie. There's a great thread on the nexus with loads of scientific research articles so you could look for what info you're specifically interested in there and download the PDF of the study.

My memory is failing me but it is naturally occurring in humans. It is found in urine and I think blood and brain but don't quote me do your own research. It is not known to be found in the pineal gland as of yet if I'm not mistaken. I think much of this is in the FAQ.

I dint believe there has been an actual link with it to birth, death, or dreams.

I believe the effect is why it has gotten so much attention. That or the effect interested researches enough to start some scientific studies on it that then got published and made into a documentary. I don't think you'll be able to find a clear consensus but the people have spoken and they are interested in DMT.

 

[Guyomech]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

 

[anrchy]

"found in possibly every living thing on the planet..." sounds pretty hardcore to me

Also I am pretty sure there is no solid evidence that fluoride "ruins" the pineal gland.

Nothing is really known about DMT. Have they found anything that it's NOT in yet?

 

[WEM]

From what I've read in a few articles is that fluoride doesn't "ruin" the pineal gland, only that it bogs it down in a way similar to calcification in water pipes that have really hard water, only with fluoride. And from what I've read, the effects aren't permanent, all you have to do is stop using fluoride and your body will detox the 'fluoridation' that's built up. Can't seem to find the articles now however... I've never really seen any articles about it from any reputable sources that I can remember so it's just more hearsay that fact.

 

[VoidTraveler]

Also I am pretty sure there is no solid evidence that fluoride "ruins" the pineal gland.

Well, conspiracy theorists tend to think that due to the calcification of the pineal gland you're ruining your consciousness. However, calcification is a perfectly natural process that happens in each and everyone of us. In fact, it is the driving force behind the formation of bones and teeth.

Calcification also happens unwanted throughout the entire body. This can be seen by arteries that have become clogged, kidney stones and calcification of the pineal gland. However, by the age of 17 approx. 40% of the Americans have some form of calcified pineal gland (Source).

I highly doubt that the build up of calcium in the pineal gland is a normal and healthy process. HOWEVER, the function of the pineal gland is far from understood. At this moment it's function seems to be the production of melatonin to induce sleep and inhibit the sexual development of children. Removing / destroying the pineal in young lab animals resulted in early development of the sexual organs and increased growth on the skeleton. During puberty melatonin production drops so normal sexual development occurs.

Many new age "theorist" seem to hang on to Descartes idea about the pineal: that it is the seat of the soul. That calcification of the pineal leads to a disruption of the natural processes within and disrupts our consciousness. I strongly doubt that an 8mm long rice grain in the brain serves that purpose but I obviously have nothing to support my case.

 

[Global]

I think DMT gets all the attention because it's the most visual of all of them, and as a primarily visual species, it makes sense for it to stand out amongst the others. Bufotenine can be rather nauseating, and 5-MeO-DMT is just too downright powerful for even many hardcore DMT users, plus it's not that visual.

Calcification also happens unwanted throughout the entire body. This can be seen by arteries that have become clogged, kidney stones and calcification of the pineal gland. However, by the age of 17 approx. 40% of the Americans have some form of calcified pineal gland (Source).

40% of Americans may have calcified pineals, but in America brushing your teeth is kinda a big deal (without even going into the whole CT fluoridated water supply stuff). That number would really only be meaningful when compared to the calcification of pineals in a society that doesn't brush their teeth and whose water supply isn't inundated with fluoride.

 

[Garyp88]

That number would really only be meaningful when compared to the calcification of pineals in a society that doesn't brush their teeth and whose water supply isn't inundated with fluoride.

Most of Europe doesn't put fluoride in the water, and it wouldn't need to be a place where people don't brush their teeth. Just a comparison between somewhere with soft water, like Scotland, and somewhere with hard water, like England would probably give good evidence. From the little bit of research I just done I found that only 10% of the UK has fluoridated water, so the Uk would probably be a good place to carry out such tests since it has a mixture of fluoridated/non-fluoridated and hard/soft water areas.

 

[Global]

That number would really only be meaningful when compared to the calcification of pineals in a society that doesn't brush their teeth and whose water supply isn't inundated with fluoride.

Most of Europe doesn't put fluoride in the water, and it wouldn't need to be a place where people don't brush their teeth. Just a comparison between somewhere with soft water, like Scotland, and somewhere with hard water, like England would probably give good evidence. From the little bit of research I just done I found that only 10% of the UK has fluoridated water, so the Uk would probably be a good place to carry out such tests since it has a mixture of fluoridated/non-fluoridated and hard/soft water areas.

The largest source of fluoride people come in contact with is generally in their tooth paste, not in the water they drink.

 

[Garyp88]

That number would really only be meaningful when compared to the calcification of pineals in a society that doesn't brush their teeth and whose water supply isn't inundated with fluoride.

Most of Europe doesn't put fluoride in the water, and it wouldn't need to be a place where people don't brush their teeth. Just a comparison between somewhere with soft water, like Scotland, and somewhere with hard water, like England would probably give good evidence. From the little bit of research I just done I found that only 10% of the UK has fluoridated water, so the Uk would probably be a good place to carry out such tests since it has a mixture of fluoridated/non-fluoridated and hard/soft water areas.

The largest source of fluoride people come in contact with is generally in their tooth paste, not in the water they drink.

Ah good point man. Forgot about that :?

 

[cirquefreak333]

Is there toothpaste that doesn't have flouride in it?

 

[cirquefreak333]

I definitely want to journey with DMT, I'm working on making that happen, but I also think mescaline has the potential to be real/a journey as well

 

[joedirt]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

Only it's not...not even close.

LSD and salvinorin-A are orders of magnitude more potent.

 

[Dreamwalker]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

Only it's not...not even close.

LSD and salvinorin-A are orders of magnitude more potent.

agreed
:thumb_up:

 

[JacksonMetaller]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

Only it's not...not even close.

LSD and salvinorin-A are orders of magnitude more potent.

Potency =/= power. DMT in that respect is a much more powerful chem, but my theory would be it's simply because of the method of administration. Almost anything smoked/IV'd is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. There have been a few who IV 4-aco-dmt and say it's equally intense if not more so than anything DMT has ever done.

 

[Global]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

Only it's not...not even close.

LSD and salvinorin-A are orders of magnitude more potent.

Potency =/= power. DMT in that respect is a much more powerful chem, but my theory would be it's simply because of the method of administration. Almost anything smoked/IV'd is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. There have been a few who IV 4-aco-dmt and say it's equally intense if not more so than anything DMT has ever done.

I would pity the soul who vaporizes 5mg of salvinorin-A, what would be a low, not-so-spectacular dose of DMT

 

[deadlight]

maybe its widely known because of the entities? i know its possible to meet them on other psychedelics, but its so easy on DMT. and when you're friend tells you he's met aliens giving him life advice, its sure to build some interest!

 

[joedirt]

"Most powerful hallucinogen known to man"... Kinda catchy, huh? That might have a lot to do with it.

Only it's not...not even close.

LSD and salvinorin-A are orders of magnitude more potent.

Potency =/= power. DMT in that respect is a much more powerful chem, but my theory would be it's simply because of the method of administration. Almost anything smoked/IV'd is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. There have been a few who IV 4-aco-dmt and say it's equally intense if not more so than anything DMT has ever done.

Nope.

Try taking 20mgs of LSD sometime...orally (No don't really do that). Then smoke 20mgs of DMT and get back to me about which one is more powerful.

Or as Global said try it with salvinorin.

DMT is NOT the most powerful psychedelic by a long shot. It is however a pretty amazing one. It is one of the easiest to tame with this power as well, but most potent or powerful it is not.

 

[Doodazzle]

I hadn't considered this one before but, if you have a calcified pineal gland, you could very much be called a bone head.

Also, I always here people comment about how the kids are maturing faster these days, girls grow boobies at a younger age--somehow I never realized that flouride causes sexuality to emerge at a younger age. Also, the larger skeleton thing. Man, as a kid I can even remember hearing adults say "wow, the kids are taller and developing younger now than they used to" and another adult would say "must be something in the water".


About potency...i once took 20 hits of liquid lsd. POWERFUL trip, VERY visual. the average hit has 100 micrograms (though liquid is sometimes much stronger) so 20 hits may have been about 2,000 micrograms=2 milligrams.


10,000 micrograms has been estimated (by some) to be the saturation point, where even if you take more acid, it doesn't do anything more. So 100 hits will take you as far as lsd can take you, eating more won't get you further, supposedly. This is 10 milligrams. From what experienced from 20 drops, I must say that another 80 drops would have been possibly more intense than any dmt trip, any ayahuasca trip, any shroomahuasca trip I've every been on, at a milligram level inwhich dmt is just starting to have noticable effect.

I'm bad at math, so all scrutinize my numbers before believing me.

 

[Wax]

I hadn't considered this one before but, if you have a calcified pineal gland, you could very much be called a bone head.

Also, I always here people comment about how the kids are maturing faster these days, girls grow boobies at a younger age--somehow I never realized that flouride causes sexuality to emerge at a younger age. Also, the larger skeleton thing. Man, as a kid I can even remember hearing adults say "wow, the kids are taller and developing younger now than they used to" and another adult would say "must be something in the water".

This may also be caused by hormone disrupting chemicals common in our food, and cleaning supplies now days. :x