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Why you should NOT take DMT

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@DebbyLovinLife

It is impossible to say if you will be ready for DMT. In many ways, no one ever is... no matter how many times they have taken it. There are certain characteristics that tend to mark people who are destined to be psychonauts, but very often, the people who seem to be prime for Hyperspace are shattered by it... while people who logic would dictate should never come near the molecule, handle it rather well.

It is so unpredictable, that I have given up trying to assess if someone "should" do DMT or not. I personally won't give it to the vast majority of people... simply because I don't want the responsibility... and because it is hard to trust people... and because I have an aversion to crazy. But who am I to say that a DMT trip might not be just what these people need to break their psychosis?

If you do do DMT, it is likely that at some point, it will break through your "control freak" shell. This may scare the living hell out of you... or it may liberate you... or both. The fact that you feel drawn to spice is a good indication that there is something important for you there. The fact that you would read every post in an epic thread like this shows that you are, at the very least, Nexian material grade A.

I think your thoughtfulness and caution will serve you well. DMT is actually easier on a control freak than even LSD, shrooms or cacti because there is no way you can even try to control it. It shatters your illusions of control so fast that you don't have time to defend them. LSD, for example, could sit with you challenging your ego for hours until you can't stand it anymore.

IMHO most people can get through 5 or 10 minutes of stark drooling terror or tears of joy rapture... or even being ripped apart into fractal alternate reality tunnels and shredded into cosmic dust. The experience may seem eternal, but in the end you will return and your reality will continue as it was with no harm done to your body. But, you may need a month to process that 10 minutes.

Good luck.

HF
 
OneFive said:
I'd also say as long as the DMT is washed properly and you take all of that yellow jungle stuff out of it, the more of a relaxing trip it will be . I think its the yellow stuff that gives bad trips.
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At some point I felt journeys with it were far easier than journeys with gleaming white, just as I thought changa was at some point. I lulled myself into a false sense of security thinking I could have some kind of control via route of admin or a certain form but I soon got a hyperslap that told me that easy journeys are in no way guaranteed. It is all capable of doing some serious annihilation if that is what is due to happen.
 
d*l*b said:
OneFive said:
I'd also say as long as the DMT is washed properly and you take all of that yellow jungle stuff out of it, the more of a relaxing trip it will be . I think its the yellow stuff that gives bad trips.
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At some point I felt journeys with it were far easier than journeys with gleaming white, just as I thought changa was at some point. I lulled myself into a false sense of security thinking I could have some kind of control via route of admin or a certain form but I soon got a hyperslap that told me that easy journeys are in no way guaranteed. It is all capable of doing some serious annihilation if that is what is due to happen.
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I understand what your saying. Its just that i got a shock at how full on the yellow gear was compared to my usual white.
I think its the DMT/powder/crystals that decides, when ,why, and what. I also think you dont discover DMT it discovers you.
I may sound crazy but its more than just a substance.
There are Aliens in the load. :shock:
 
Are the elves real? Maybe their existence would deter someone from taking DMT but it is quite the opposite for me. I need to know if they are real...
 
This thread is good reading, I appreciate the care that goes into the crafting of each post. Something very conscientious about the crowd here, wonder why:roll:

My ears have been perked towards trying smoked dmt for close to 6 years now. It is scarce, that much about it I know. Soon, I believe, it will be before me. I know the answer is inevitably, "there is no way to know what to expect, nothing you have encountered will prepare you." There are a couple of curiosities that have arisen in my head in reading this thread.

One is that, according to Ethno-botanist Dennis McKenna, Psilocin is the most biologically available form of dimethyltryptamine (4-HO-DMT.) Now I have had several intense mushroom trips, on one occasion in particular, I went through a period of 1-2 hours of laying on my back in a trance state with my "eyes rolling into the back of (my) head." I saw many indescribable things.. felt very, very far away, as if I was in a balcony overlooking the cosmos at times. It was not the 'normal' spinn-y, swirly, augmented reality type of situation I have experienced on other dosages, it was very much an out-of-this-world experience(complete with awe, despair, blinding visuals, confusion, not having an inkling of location(or what location was/is), profound understandings, astonishment at the act of existing, and dizzying relief)--what I would consider a high level or "breakthrough" event as far as magic mushrooms are concerned. --My question is, is this somewhat akin to the smoked n,n-dmt trip?
 
it certainly can be, some people say even high doses of 4-aco-dmt can get you to a break through level state. :d sub breakthroughs of dmt are very 4-aco/shroom like, in a funky kind of way.
 
OneFive said:
d*l*b said:
OneFive said:
I'd also say as long as the DMT is washed properly and you take all of that yellow jungle stuff out of it, the more of a relaxing trip it will be . I think its the yellow stuff that gives bad trips.
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At some point I felt journeys with it were far easier than journeys with gleaming white, just as I thought changa was at some point. I lulled myself into a false sense of security thinking I could have some kind of control via route of admin or a certain form but I soon got a hyperslap that told me that easy journeys are in no way guaranteed. It is all capable of doing some serious annihilation if that is what is due to happen.
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I understand what your saying. Its just that i got a shock at how full on the yellow gear was compared to my usual white.
I think its the DMT/powder/crystals that decides, when ,why, and what. I also think you dont discover DMT it discovers you.
I may sound crazy but its more than just a substance.
There are Aliens in the load. :shock:
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Yes i've seen much yellow DMT...and have read the reactions people have with it. Nice pure white DMT is just amazing. I've tried both, and the white is totally all together different. Hyperspace is always just around the corner..my break through yesterday is something i'll never forget.
 
Wow, I wish I could read all of these posts. After reading a great deal I feel that I may never know whether or not I "should" try DMT. It seems that it/nothing is ever that black and white. The only thing that can be certain is that it is a profound and valuable experience.

What really intrigues me, however, is the sense of integration between objective and subjective levels of reality. Whether I see elves, demons, gods, or Pokemon during the experience it is all really just archetypal forms projected from my inner "otherworld". However, all breakthrough users seem to share common elements during their experiences - a sort of tapping into the collective unconsciousness and an objective metaphysical reality.

Of course this intellectual understanding of the phenomena will most likely become utterly useless during those defining moments of dream-reality when it is time to let go. There are moments now when I feel like I can let go of my ego, and my sense of self. I'm not too worried about changing the 'direction' of my life, because as far as I am concerned I have fought my entire life to not sell my soul to any so-called direction or dogmatic ideology. But at the same time, the other half of my internal dialogue is telling me that the urge to let go is itself an illusion and just something I think I'm willing/able to do.

As long as it doesn't rob me of my ability to still find gratification from the physical senses, I am going to embrace the opportunity should it arise. In other worlds, I don't want to be left a zombie in any sense (something more apparent among strong opiate users).

But incredible posting in this thread, and thanks to all its contributors. If I find a vehicle anytime soon I'll be sure to do a follow up on this internal dilemma.
 
It sounds like you have a very logical view of it all and are as prepared as anyone to work =)

To put your mind at ease — I don’t think you will become a zombie or lose ability to still find gratification from the physical senses, the opposite probably! The main risks I see are delusion, obsession or being knocked off kilter by what is often a very extreme experience. If you can look at things and assess them critically I think you have a very useful skill though.
 
d*l*b said:
It sounds like you have a very logical view of it all and are as prepared as anyone to work =)

To put your mind at ease — I don’t think you will become a zombie or lose ability to still find gratification from the physical senses, the opposite probably! The main risks I see are delusion, obsession or being knocked off kilter by what is often a very extreme experience. If you can look at things and assess them critically I think you have a very useful skill though.
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Yeah, seeing everything in such a logical fashion can definitely become a weakness as well. Damn Westernized education:thumb_dow . It gets pretty scary when linguistic constructs and familiar symbols basically become shadows without any real transcendental meaning. The logic that allows us to rationalize the world gets thrown out the window and there's nothing left to grasp onto. Terrified me during my first trip (not DMT). But I've found that experiencing "otherness" strengthens that logic in a very positive way during more lucid moments and helps me see through BS paradigms and such.

And I'm somewhat familiar with not giving in to obsession and delusion. Things have gotten pretty warped for me in the past, but in those chaotic moments having a strong rational foundation has helped me keep my feet on the ground. It's equally important to know when to let go of reason, but that takes a lifetime to master...probably.
 
hmmmm... i feel as if i came to a certain point in where i stopped asking questions.

Allowing me to continue further with these experiences. yes at first i become slightly obsessive, delusional, and my concept of reality was shattered. However i have moved past these annoyances within my dedication and persistence. I continue to prove myself wrong every time i feel myself find a spiritual plateau, transcending further into the abyss. Major breakthroughs never seem to fail me.

This is an infinite treasure to me and i will continue reaching further. I will continue my journey to find my true self. No matter what battles i may face, my will is stronger. When i find whatever it is i was looking for, i will continue on. Simply because i can..

Growth is limitless. Change is inevitable. We are infinite.
 
I love this thread.

I have known people in my own life who used psychedelics and were none the better for it, and sometimes much worse afterward.

I am not sure why that is, and yet for some people, it really helps them grow and become successful within their own little realms of life.
 
I think Vovin brings up many good points but i think it would be more accurate to include all psychedelics in his warning. If you are new and a little hesitant to try i would suggest microdosing ayahuasca. There should be a thread somewhere about microdosing rue+acrb. Properly filtered/decanted/egg whites actually doesn't taste very bad. One can titrate himself into a full blown experience. I highly recommend 😁
 
Visty said:
Excellent post and advice. After a year of triweekly mushroom sessions I can tell you, your perception of reality does change. It is a hidden process. It has lead me to question even more than I already did. This sort of stuff is not to be taken lightly. But I have found I can take it on.

Avid lucid dreamers also change their veiw of the world and thats only taking nutropics and supliments like galantamine..[no mind shatering drugs are nessasery..

Drug experiances can be acheived and duplicated in dreams.. if ones lucid skills such as
being able to think criticly in a dream are high enough..

But.. [the supliment galantamine].. has made lucid dreaming posible for many in the western world ...without the years of practice that Tibetan monks have to go through to acheive the clear light dream.....
Ive practiced lucid dreaming for years but couldent quite master it so i could have a lucid dream anytime at will...

The nice thing about drugs like salvia or DMT is they take you into a dtream state any time you smoke it..but the critical thought and recall is somewhat disabled in the experiance...

The more traditional drugs like LSD and mescaline can open doors too...
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I've never had mescaline,LSD yes, many times in the past, but when i had 5-MEO-MIPT for the first time last year, some doors were opened allright...it was also intensely erotic, i could not believe it, but its something i'm not really willing to do again, it was quite intense for awhile actually, if only the body load wasn't so heavy.:lol:
 
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