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Why you should NOT take DMT

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I think that some people, due to their mental state, may find that DMT shows them things that are hard to integrate. People on this forum have had what appear to be breakdowns and delusional thoughts, so it has been here on our doorstep. Whether this is something that is down to conditioning, recent or in the far past, or if it is innate — I wouldn’t like to speculate without knowing them in person.

DMT is a mindblowingly powerful tool. Some people are not in the right place to have their minds blown. To some it may be fairly obvious that they don’t need their understanding of reality torn to shreds for them to put back together again, most will have to find out when it happens. Know yourself as much as possible, but at the same time this is not something you can truly prepare yourself for, just like most experiences you haven’t had yet.

On the flip side of this I have noticed, in times of less caution, more excitement, when I was happier to share widely, that many people get very little of any depth out of DMT at all. Many appear built to see pretty lights and be able to see them as just that and nothing more.
 
3 days later and I read it all
thanks for all the valuable insight

I'm still determined, it never was out of the question
scared, respectful, of course
but it will happen
 
pzlpzlpzl said:
I think im not ready yet. I've tried it many times, always escaped just before breaking through. That feeling of being "naked" - no body, no ego - just you - revelaed to god know what creatures. Altough they can do no harm to you (i hope) it's still a firghtening idea to me. I wonder - is it wrong for humans to try sneak a peak to the other side? Im strugglig with myself, anyone can help me with this - does this experience gave anything to you, that you didn't have and COULN'T have and acheive in "normal" way - developing yourself spiritually? Without the spice? Because if one enters this place, what benefits can be taken back from there? For me all i've experienced was just feeling, like it was a show for children to watch whats there. I know this alter worlds, or transition places are important, eternal etc. But shouldn't we be focused on THIS life and THIS experience, of right now right here?
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It is normal for 'some' people to take the step. Generalising is an unfortunate compromise.
Regards G
 
I first decided to take the journey through curiosity as i was an athiest, science based minded guy and the idea of mystical experiance at the end of a pipe was too tempting to want to experiance to see if i came back with the same pessimism that i had always had. I should of come here first for insight like this post, as you would get a better grasp of a grammifications, not that i believe it would have stopped me from wanting to try it. I read Strassmans book and a few youtubes and decided to just go for it. It SHATTERED my whole concept of everything, i grew further and further away from the mindset i had come acumstomed to my whole life the more and more i tried to conceptualize it. Friendship groups that i had previously had, i felt as if i could see through and grew apart from them, my social circle became samller and smaller but through that i had gained experiances i wouldn't normally of had through this psycadelic perspective that you gain after letting everything sink in and discovering how the thing can work for you... i let go with my grip on life and my persuit of money, i had some incredible adventures but i've hit a point where i had to of come back, pick up new work and get back to it, but it feels awefully strange. I don;t have much to talk to people about anymore and a job is now very much just a job of obtaining enough money to seek a new adventure. Some may say this is a niave way to live but through DMT it opened me up to the idea of limitless possibility and i love to dance with that now, when before i was so ridgid, stuck in a comfort zone, not really living so to speak.
 
Spindrift said:
I just read through this entire thread, and have to say it is one of the most valuable ones on the Nexus in my opinion. Thank you to everyone who posted, there are some incredibly wise and knowing insights and so many valuable ideas here. Having only smoked DMT once which was both incredibly beautiful and affirming but also terrifying and overwhelming, I only feel more certain that although this is a journey I am destined to make, I know nothing and must think, meditate and prepare myself hugely before trying again. I am deeply in gratitude to you all.
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you have entered into it in the right way, i started my journey without a forum like this to read for guidance, i only had my girlfriend at the time and we both spotted each other and experimented with set and setting, different music, lights aswell as well as dosing... it was all completely hands on. After a short while of wanting to repeat the experiances every few days, the whole DMT landscape changed and it felt cold and unwelcoming, which was a strange transition from an abundance of glittering artifacts being offered to me at every angle from overly excited beings. I became an unwelcome guest in that space. I put it all away for a few months and realised that i wasn't giving enough time for everything to sink in and reflect on, in those few months i got into meditation and yoga which were practices i never thought i'd ever be into but somehow naturally came to me and this was when DMT came calling once more. During meditation i felt this desire to go back there with this new found respect and understanding, in my meditation i felt i had to take an intention from that space into the DMT space and i did, for the first time doing it i was completely calm with no pre flight jitters. I blasted off and it was even more beautiful and tangible then ever before, i had never had such a greeting of fanfare... what i got from that trip was extreamly fundemental to changing my viewpoints and set me up for a deep transformative part of my life.
 
alpacamasca said:
Spindrift said:
I just read through this entire thread, and have to say it is one of the most valuable ones on the Nexus in my opinion. Thank you to everyone who posted, there are some incredibly wise and knowing insights and so many valuable ideas here. Having only smoked DMT once which was both incredibly beautiful and affirming but also terrifying and overwhelming, I only feel more certain that although this is a journey I am destined to make, I know nothing and must think, meditate and prepare myself hugely before trying again. I am deeply in gratitude to you all.
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you have entered into it in the right way, i started my journey without a forum like this to read for guidance, i only had my girlfriend at the time and we both spotted each other and experimented with set and setting, different music, lights aswell as well as dosing... it was all completely hands on. After a short while of wanting to repeat the experiances every few days, the whole DMT landscape changed and it felt cold and unwelcoming, which was a strange transition from an abundance of glittering artifacts being offered to me at every angle from overly excited beings. I became an unwelcome guest in that space. I put it all away for a few months and realised that i wasn't giving enough time for everything to sink in and reflect on, in those few months i got into meditation and yoga which were practices i never thought i'd ever be into but somehow naturally came to me and this was when DMT came calling once more. During meditation i felt this desire to go back there with this new found respect and understanding, in my meditation i felt i had to take an intention from that space into the DMT space and i did, for the first time doing it i was completely calm with no pre flight jitters. I blasted off and it was even more beautiful and tangible then ever before, i had never had such a greeting of fanfare... what i got from that trip was extreamly fundemental to changing my viewpoints and set me up for a deep transformative part of my life.
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Word.
Time to integrate is essential.
I have had almost one year breaks between each mayor big experiences and i know it has been a blessing.:thumb_up:
 
Much agreed. This thread is one of the better ones on this forum, imo.

Agreed hardboiled, long periods of integration is so important imo, yet I think people sometimes tend to overlook it. Ime, hyperspace evolves as you evolve; hence imo why the experience is considered to be so variable - because we as humans are constantly changing/evolving. Also, imo, what this experience shows us, is that THAT is not separate from you, from me, or from any other part of reality; reality is subsumed by it and it is subsumed by reality; locked in embrace - as one move is made - the other moves along with it; so embracing life despite it's ups and downs and working to meander your way through new avenues and learning as you go - the infinite will work its magic right alongside you.
 
it's been a year again since my last trip and i feel the calling once more... over that year i've had alot of evolution personally that i don't even reconise myself from a year ago anymore... i'm ready agan to enter the void.
 
Tattvamasi said:
Much agreed. This thread is one of the better ones on this forum, imo.

Agreed hardboiled, long periods of integration is so important imo, yet I think people sometimes tend to overlook it. Ime, hyperspace evolves as you evolve; hence imo why the experience is considered to be so variable - because we as humans are constantly changing/evolving. Also, imo, what this experience shows us, is that THAT is not separate from you, from me, or from any other part of reality; reality is subsumed by it and it is subsumed by reality; locked in embrace - as one move is made - the other moves along with it; so embracing life despite it's ups and downs and working to meander your way through new avenues and learning as you go - the infinite will work its magic right alongside you.
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Exactly my friend.
For some the multiple sessions of exploration come as natural, positive and beneficial as same as for others that perhaps do it once or twice a year. There is no formula and you get to experience the effects if you have been going overboard with it and that is what i love about it. It shows you and if your stubborn or cocky it will cut you down couple of notches and it's all good. What better way to learn.:twisted: 😁 :thumb_up:
 
alpacamasca said:
it's been a year again since my last trip and i feel the calling once more... over that year i've had alot of evolution personally that i don't even reconise myself from a year ago anymore... i'm ready agan to enter the void.
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I am also one of those that only recognize the changes after long time has passed...

Let it flow.:)
 
Whew!!!! I read the entire thread! What a read!!

As many of you on this particular thread have expressed, I too believe that this is one of the most useful, important threads on the nexus.

I would like to thank all of you for the wisdom & insights posted on this thread. Much appreciation goes out to Vovin for initiating the whole thing also. Very good, practical advice.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!


Peace.
 
Thread with priceless knowledge and advices !!! :thumb_up: Thank you all for sharing it !!!

Peace and Love fellows :love: :love: :love:
 
Hmm, this is the most realistic thread on this mostly spiritual forum. 😁

Generally every action is dangerous, because it produces opposite reaction.

Life always with 100% probability results in death, so life is really really dangerous, you never survive. The young and the old, they are all sentenced to death sooner or later.(in manner of logic of course)

You can die of cancer, of car accident, of old age, of heart attack, you can die young, you can die old, you can commit suicide. But You DO NOT decide, the path is given always.

So what ever you decide it will be decided, fear not, worry not.

I presume that conquering your fear before consumption is also part of the process...
 
medoslav said:
...Life always with 100% probability results in death, you never survive. The young and the old, they are all sentenced to death sooner or later....
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This is precisely why I have been practicing dying for decades. Psychedelics are a great tool for that.:)
 
Great post. This should really help people have a more informed decision about trying DMT.

I remember one of the first things I was thinking after my first "real" experience with an entheogen, a breakthrough dose of Bufo 5-MeO, was that everyone needs to have that experience. I thought for sure the world would be a better place if everyone was able to experience what I did. I have come to realize that not everyone has such a malleable perception of reality, and definitely not everyone would benefit from jumping on the rocket ship of DMT when they are not ready.

I just sent this post to one of my friends who is contemplating trying DMT.
 
ehud said:
Great post. This should really help people have a more informed decision about trying DMT.

I remember one of the first things I was thinking after my first "real" experience with an entheogen, a breakthrough dose of Bufo 5-MeO, was that everyone needs to have that experience. I thought for sure the world would be a better place if everyone was able to experience what I did. I have come to realize that not everyone has such a malleable perception of reality, and definitely not everyone would benefit from jumping on the rocket ship of DMT when they are not ready.

I just sent this post to one of my friends who is contemplating trying DMT.
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ehud said:
Great post. This should really help people have a more informed decision about trying DMT.

I remember one of the first things I was thinking after my first "real" experience with an entheogen, a breakthrough dose of Bufo 5-MeO, was that everyone needs to have that experience. I thought for sure the world would be a better place if everyone was able to experience what I did. I have come to realize that not everyone has such a malleable perception of reality, and definitely not everyone would benefit from jumping on the rocket ship of DMT when they are not ready.

I just sent this post to one of my friends who is contemplating trying DMT.
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I started with a serious dose of Bufo too, and only just tried threshold doses of DMT for the first time on the weekend. For some reason DMT had me more anxious, and reading this thread has me even more so.
Bufo (5meo) was much easier to approach as I had no experience at all in the DMT realm, and Bufo propels you so hard without any conscious understanding of whether you are scared or shocked by what you see. With Bufo I feel you don't have the time to contemplate, and you don't exist anymore, so what you are seeing effects nobody, until you break through and everything in the world is what you are.. I would do Bufo again knowing that the guaranteed breakthrough is so extraordinarily blissful, energizing and godly, but I am nervous with DMT.
I noticed breathing difficulties on DMT and maybe related anxiety anticipating the unknown journey ahead. Aside from the breathing/heart racing, which I am sure I will get used to quickly, I actually really enjoyed the threshold dose of a few visuals
 
Such a beautiful thread. I remember thinking "..they can't really be accurately describing the experience." Oh boy was I quite naive. While I think no one is ever ready for such an experience. I do believe entering the ritual with clear intent and without any deep seeded fear can make it more comfortable. The most valuable aspect of this thread is the emphasis that DMT is the tool, not the answer. At least in my opinion. I've lurked here for years and with my first post I'd love to say thank you all!!!
 
It almost feels like destiny, that im ready to make the breakthrough, Im hoping that maybe alot of my personal questions can be answered. If not, That's ok, I still believe im ready to experience the other side.:)
 
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