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Why you should NOT take DMT

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A few days ago I finished my extraction it turned out Allright. I have no idea how much I have as I have no scales..... Anyway I decided to have a little taste ten minutes ago. I just put some in the end of a cigarette and heated it from a distance so the cigarette did not ignite. Now I remember why I am so terrified of Dimitri

The dose wasn't big I know for sure because I didn't fully trip. But the body load was so intense I got a instant wave of dread. Plus my heart was drumming away which added more panic.

If I have a huge dose will I be so smashed that I won't notice the come up. It would be really good if I could just slip in to it like a dream without that feeling.... Oh no what have I done
 
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Vovin, you make a lot of good points, thank you for your insight.
But, why make a thread telling people why they shouldn't take DMT on a forum that is dedicated to DMT?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me
 
It makes a lot of sense to me. I always try to talk people out of trying dmt. Having your worldview totally thrown into doubt can be a devastating experience for some people.
 
It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's kind of like walking into a cannabis dispensary and the shop owner/caregiver telling the client why they should not smoke marijuana.
 
protostar said:
Vovin, you make a lot of good points, thank you for your insight.
But, why make a thread telling people why they shouldn't take DMT on a forum that is dedicated to DMT?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

It's not always about you buddy! 😉
 
protostar said:
It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It's kind of like walking into a cannabis dispensary and the shop owner/caregiver telling the client why they should not smoke marijuana.

That shows that the shop owner/caregiver has a sense of obligation to the customer. It shows that its not all about business, but trying to help the customer. Some people aren't suited to smoke ganja, and similarly, some people aren't suited to smoke DMT.

Here's a scenario. A person is a quadraplegic or paraplegic, but they love cars. And they go on a performance car forum saying they want to drive a super car, and they mention their medical condition. Is everyone gonna say "sure, go for it!", or will they voice their concern for not only the safety of the original poster, but also the safety of pedestrians?

Some people will not be able to handle DMT. Those who are extremely egotistical, close-minded or with predispositions to mental illnesses. Some may say that DMT would help the former two by destroying all sense of ego and close mindedness, but this is not always guaranteed. DMT is for those who seek, and not for those who are not ready. This place is about harm reduction, and not telling everyone to "smoalk moar", although we do joke about it often.
 
protostar said:
Vovin, you make a lot of good points, thank you for your insight.
But, why make a thread telling people why they shouldn't take DMT on a forum that is dedicated to DMT?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

Protostar, it is called a fair warning, and it makes perfect sense. DMT is not for everyone due to a variety of reasons and people should be informed about what they are about to put themselves through.

Lets look at your example: If it was your first time smoking weed, and you walked into a dispensary for the first time, don't you think you might have a few questions about pipes, strains, edibles, etc etc? Don't you think it might be a good idea to do some research before jumping in head first? In relation to this thread, it isn't so much the shop owner saying "don't smoke" as it is the shop owner educating people on the positive and potential negative aspects to smoking weed. The client can easily see both sides this way.

DMT is one of the most powerful substances known to man. So yes, one should absolutely question whether or not they think they are ready to take the plunge. As Vovin said, once you see, it is hard to unsee.

This thread is not to scare people from trying DMT. It is about showing them both sides of the enigma.

Edit: Looks like Philosopher? beat me to the point! :d
 
protostar said:
It makes no sense to me whatsoever...
^^^ This makes no sense to me whatsoever.
So in those previous 17 pages, nothing made sense to you? Really?

If there are threads standing very strong then this thread is one of them, there is not even a 1 Angstrom wide opening for a debate. Sorry dude but you're dripping on a fine carpet, you simply can't take away from fair warnings.

:love: though...
 
I've already illustrated my point, don't quote me out of context by isolating a few words from my entire post.
For someone who has created a highly detailed DMT extraction tek and is a prominent member on a forum known as the "DMT Nexus," making a post explaining why people should not be using DMT is rather hypocritical.
 
This is exactly where we differ: I think (and many) that it would be hypocritical to leave out the fair warnings. Giving the impression that it would be okay for anyone to fool around without ramifications, that is guilty imho.

Or maybe your stance is: if you know there is potential mis-fortune then therefore you should not bring it up at all in the first place. Is this how you're thinking? When I read the warnings on classical meds, I think it's fair to mention complications possible. What comes without 2 sides?
 
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Please stop trolling this post, Protostar. Do you take the time to read and consider the responses? "Don't quote me out of context" seems to be your go-to defensive mechanism.

Again, this post is NOT telling people to shy away from DMT. It is a fair warning, a friendly consideration to the next DMT enthusiast, a heads up, and/or a little insight to both sides of the story. It isn't all puppy dogs and rainbows. If you walk into the street without looking, you will likely get hit by a car. If you were new to walking on streets, don't you think having someone there to warn you about the danger of cars zipping by would be useful? Would you never cross the street again after learning of the danger? No, of course not, but you would cross more carefully, looking both ways first...hopefully.

This is a very open and honest post about DMT. It is ANYTHING but hypocritical. I think you should re-read the OP.

vovin said:
There is no beginner level with this path. It’s all at once, choose wisely and think on this, you have a lifetime to experience things. Are you ready to take such a step at this point in life? DMT will always be here for you this experience will never vanish completely from the world. Sometimes waiting later in life makes this undertaking all that more beneficial. It is not a sprint to the end, it is a long marathon. Pace yourself, be sure you are ready, it is hard to turn back, for some it is impossible, this is not a game there are real consequences to this journey.

The main theme of the OP is, "Do you think you are you ready for DMT? Here are some things to consider before you make a final decision..."

I fail to see how that is a bad thing.
 
This is one of my favorite posts on the nexus, my wife isn’t mentally ready to breakthrough, both of us know this and respect it. She tried dmt once and got some good effects and decided she wasn’t ready. Since then I’ve showed her a lot of stuff here on the nexus to help her understand she’s not alone and shouldn’t feel forced into trying it again. Something I never thought of in my younger years, it was always the opposite, I wanted everyone to experience everything without question.
 
Great advice brother! I was not ready my first time, or any time after that. Even now my mind is still recovering from my last dose. But I do feel low doses and good environment make a huge difference:)
I also feel anyone who is thinking about trying it should do as much research as possible!
 
Having read the entire thread I would like to highlight some key posts made by other users that I think are particularly pertinent to the topic and which capture some very important points for consideration by the unexperienced, novice or veteran alike. I will then follow up this post with my own thoughts.

Mods: I hope you don't mind my quoting of those posts. Whilst I would hope all would take the time to read the entire thread and find these posts on their own, they are most definitely worth repeating and bringing to the front of the thread:

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Bill Cipher
My experiences.. They've alienated me at times from other people in my life and made me feel more separate from most new people I come into contact with. They've made me much more uncomfortable with certain priorities, material attachments, professional choices and aspects of my personality, but they don't provide a magic solution to figuring out the alternatives. They've made me feel insane at times. It ain't all elves and faeries.

My only advice is to heed the warning that this experience offers no answers at all - just an unending flood of questions. That can be uncomfortable, and I would say that for me that has definitely been the case.

Hyperspace Fool
I do concur with Vovin and the rest of you here, and would even go further to say that all psychotropics, psychedelics, entheogens, dissociatives and the like should be viewed with immense respect for their ability to shatter your reality. In fact, I think many people should probably not do them at all. Of the people who can benefit from them, a majority probably should have a "coming of age" ceremony or three, and then forget about these realms for a long while.

Michal R
Noisedownstairs (and/or others), I sincerely try not to be an elitist here... but let me tell you that some people (including myself) had some very serious "social/psychological" issues after their first breakthrough that they weren´t able to even imagine beforehand... So, since my first breakthrough, I have been rather hesitant about talking to other people about DMT.

antrocles
i personally thought i was ready for all of this. that i was cut from this very unique cloth. that i (like vovin perhaps) was meant to be one of the cartographers of this new mind-scape. one who was designed to bring much back for others as we tenderly pushed forward into a new reality...

it was all ego. i am nothing. noone. in the final analysis, its all between you and source. if you choose to go down this rabbithole, that is what you will come to realize quite quickly. during a genuine breakthrough, it won't matter who is around. it will only be you and source and the two will be indistinguishable from one another. you will be given the gift of liberation from an identity that is infinitely too small for you...you will touch your own divinity.

be careful what you ask for though....most do not realize what a safe haven their false-self realities are! what is seen can never be unseen and if you are looking to see cool shit then go straight back to the safety of your old comfortable patterns....there may come a time when that won't be possible. a genuine, level III breakthrough is not something you 'come back' from. it is a part of you forever. it changes you. hear me well...IT CHANGES YOU.

joedirt
HyperspaceFool made a comment in another thread that in his experience those of us with an outside practice in concentration, meditation, kung-fu, etc have different experiences, and I fully believe this as I NEVER had godhead moments when I was a teenager out 'tripping'..and I took retarded doses of LSD at times.

d*l*b
I would describe myself as non-spiritual, agnostic. That experience left me confused, scared and delusional for a couple of weeks, who knows what it was? My head? Did I do that to myself? Something outside of me? It felt like it was an external force and that was my conclusion for a while, but now I couldn't really say what I thought it was.

3rdI
sjaman wrote:
Not taking DMT its like having a jungle next to your house which you decide never to explore.


some people who explore the jungle get eaten and never come back.

Entheogenerator
DMT is not going to save the world. Neither is any other psychedelic. This has been attempted on a large-ish scale in the past, and it did not end well. Just because my situation may be conducive to gaining certain things from the psychedelic experience does not mean that everyone's is, and I am not in a position to accurately make that distinction.

Call it elitism, call it morality, call it whatever you so choose; but I will not be indiscriminately sharing one of the most powerful psychedelics known to man with everyone I encounter.

And really? Collateral damage?? These are human lives we are talking about here.

tatt
DMT (or tryptamines in general) is unfathomably powerful when dosed sufficiently and quickly. I've found that there's something to be said for taking an entire breakthrough dosage in one inhalation, versus 2 or 3, it is very very different. Not that the latter can't be powerful and life-affirming (it obviously can/is), but ime, clearing a good sized dose in one go leaves very little in the way of preparedness or time to get situated. 4-5 seconds and you are completely, 110% THERE, very little if any buildup, it's nearly instantaneous. These experiences are what had sealed the deal for me. One of these is enough for a lifetime imo.

Those types of experiences ime leave no question, but an intense knowing and understanding that effortlessly transcends the monkey mind, and is only apprehendable through direct-experience. Some(many?) here know what im talking about. Not that this direct knowing isn't perceptible in the lesser intensities of the DMT experience, but on the bigger ones it becomes front and center, pounding you over and over, in which you become lucidly cognizant to the highest degree of the matter at hand. Unquestionable gnosis.
 
It’s been over 10 years since I’ve touched DMT (or any psychedelic) when I was still just a teenager. In that time I have spent much of my life reflecting, integrating, and deepening my search for answers through philosophy and inner-work. I feel it is my duty, as is all of ours, to sincerely work for the best in others, especially those who are genuinely looking for Truth, and to save them from falling afoul of potential hazards on their trip up the mountain.

Upon reflection I think many would agree that perhaps the wider psychedelic community has been too eager to embrace DMT as some sort of panacea to personal or collective troubles, or that it will solve the big questions in ones own life. It’s like the lessons of the 60’s have been largely ignored. Now that it has penetrated the mainstream I feel compelled to speak up and throw my hat in because, in my opinion, there are real dangers with using DMT (and psychedelics generally) that get brushed aside by the hedonistic and care-free impulses, especially in the younger folk who think they are largely immortal and who are the most at risk. One of these dangers happens to be almost the focal point of the whole DMT experience – entities. I’m going to write up in the entities thread when I become a full member on that topic in particular. Interestingly I found a post in this thread, by ‘litrium’, that mirrors very closely what happened to me on one of my trips.

DMT is akin to jumping into the middle of an ocean when you’ve only just learned how to tread water. You are out of your domain and subject to laws, creatures, and perceptions that are ordinarily shielded from you, by nature, for your own protection. I’m not convinced that even the Shamans know what they are doing and are potentially being played like fiddles in a lot of cases. A few users in here have already suggested they are reluctant to pass on this knowledge of DMT to others, and I think that is wise choice - ‘To little children you must remain silent.’

Not all progress is progress, and I think the wider psychedelic community should re-evaluate its position, at least from a serious mental health standpoint – we know about as much as the professional psychiatrists.. mostly nothing. We’ve jumped out to sea and not everyone has come back in one piece. It’s easy to say it will never happen to me, or dismiss the existence of entities and real psychological affects they can produce, or even just assume you will be able to just come back to ordinary reality with your previous state of mind after seeing some funky stuff. Too often, and I see it here on the forum, the advice is ‘seek professional help’, as if our materialistic psychological system is now somehow a complete psychological system that can save and cure. I’m not saying one shouldn’t consult an expert or doctor, just be aware that they do not have all the answers. Even a cursory investigation into the field of psychology, which everyone should do before taking any substance, will reveal to you just how little they really understand and how much they wing it when it comes to remedies and therapies. I can’t underscore that point enough. If you end up with monkeys on your back as a result of using substances, you may well be on your own in regards to finding a cure. No one wants to hear the horror stories, the reality, the statistics, because it might interfere with the fun and games, but we are lying to ourselves and to others by choosing to omit that information. That is why threads like this are vitally important, people who’ve been there and gotten a few scars, but survived, and can widen our understanding.

DMT, like all psychedelics, has the potential to uproot a lot of ego structures. You often hear affirmative statements about destroying the ego and similar, but if your ego is the only thing holding you up it is not necessarily wise to seek to uproot it. Real inner-work takes physical and mental adjustments, so that egos can be dropped or taken from you at the right time. People are not equal, we are all at a different stage of ripening, and turning all people on to substances is reckless behaviour. If you haven’t developed the discernment to know if someone should use a substance you probably shouldn’t be using any yourself.

There’s little I can say to stop anyone using it. It’s not my place to do so anyway. All I would say is if you are determined to use it, use it properly and follow the guidance offered on the forum.

Finally, DMT is a mental vision, a projection. So is the ‘real’ world. Truth is where you are, now. You don’t need to ingest anything to find the answer.
 
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