Women & Respect

[skwrlgurl]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I think it's more important to be gracious and respectful to all, regardless of genitalia.

That said, I have read comparatively very little sexist content on this forum.

 

[Jungleheart]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I'm sorry that you find my opinion to be sexist. I am basing my views off of my own personal experience, of which I have had many, believe me, both with good and bad guys. Good for you for being able to stand up for yourself to any guy.

Please note that I said "most women," not all women, don't possess the strength to stand up to aggressive men. When one is in a position of being treated as being worthless in an aggressive way, I find it nearly impossible to stand up for myself other than to avoid the situation at all costs. There is no way I can come out un-harmed in such a situation, I just don't have the defenses. I know many women have the same experience, as demonstrated by the levels of domestic abuse of women in the world.

My comments above no longer are related to this forum, but are regarding my personal views on the place of "the feminine" in society. Just want to make that clear.

 

[skwrlgurl]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I'm sorry that you find my opinion to be sexist. I am basing my views off of my own personal experience, of which I have had many, believe me, both with good and bad guys. Good for you for being able to stand up for yourself to any guy.

Please note that I said "most women," not all women, don't possess the strength to stand up to aggressive men. When one is in a position of being treated as being worthless in an aggressive way, I find it nearly impossible to stand up for myself other than to avoid the situation at all costs. There is no way I can come out un-harmed in such a situation, I just don't have the defenses. I know many women have the same experience, as demonstrated by the levels of domestic abuse of women in the world.

My comments above no longer are related to this forum, but are regarding my personal views on the place of "the feminine" in society. Just want to make that clear.

I think because of the experiences I have had I learned how to stand up for myself. I completely understand your avoidance of demeaning talk or behavior. I think we both know you can't change or reason with people like that, so it's best to just walk away and not get involved. No one would choose to put themselves in that position, but I can tell you I have lived the dynamics of abusive relationships and know how you can fall victim to the accompanying "brain fuck" of twisted, manipulative nonsense.

 

[Jungleheart]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I'm sorry that you find my opinion to be sexist. I am basing my views off of my own personal experience, of which I have had many, believe me, both with good and bad guys. Good for you for being able to stand up for yourself to any guy.

Please note that I said "most women," not all women, don't possess the strength to stand up to aggressive men. When one is in a position of being treated as being worthless in an aggressive way, I find it nearly impossible to stand up for myself other than to avoid the situation at all costs. There is no way I can come out un-harmed in such a situation, I just don't have the defenses. I know many women have the same experience, as demonstrated by the levels of domestic abuse of women in the world.

My comments above no longer are related to this forum, but are regarding my personal views on the place of "the feminine" in society. Just want to make that clear.

I think because of the experiences I have had I learned how to stand up for myself. I completely understand your avoidance of demeaning talk or behavior. I think we both know you can't change or reason with people like that, so it's best to just walk away and not get involved. No one would choose to put themselves in that position, but I can tell you I have lived the dynamics of abusive relationships and know how you can fall victim to the accompanying "brain fuck" of twisted, manipulative nonsense.

Ah yes.

So, you think the best method for confronting aggressive behavior is by behaving aggressively yourself? That just doesn't sit well with me. I have developed an attitude of non-violence over the years (after being quite aggressive during my early teens), and I can't see how the two vibe. Perhaps it's something I need to work on, but I think this is when the symbiosis of the male/female aspects could come into play.

 

[skwrlgurl]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I'm sorry that you find my opinion to be sexist. I am basing my views off of my own personal experience, of which I have had many, believe me, both with good and bad guys. Good for you for being able to stand up for yourself to any guy.

Please note that I said "most women," not all women, don't possess the strength to stand up to aggressive men. When one is in a position of being treated as being worthless in an aggressive way, I find it nearly impossible to stand up for myself other than to avoid the situation at all costs. There is no way I can come out un-harmed in such a situation, I just don't have the defenses. I know many women have the same experience, as demonstrated by the levels of domestic abuse of women in the world.

My comments above no longer are related to this forum, but are regarding my personal views on the place of "the feminine" in society. Just want to make that clear.

I think because of the experiences I have had I learned how to stand up for myself. I completely understand your avoidance of demeaning talk or behavior. I think we both know you can't change or reason with people like that, so it's best to just walk away and not get involved. No one would choose to put themselves in that position, but I can tell you I have lived the dynamics of abusive relationships and know how you can fall victim to the accompanying "brain fuck" of twisted, manipulative nonsense.

So, you think the best method for confronting aggressive behavior is by behaving aggressively yourself?

Absolutely not -- standing up for yourself doesnt require aggression, it requires strength of mind.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors.

I know you're a woman, as am I. With all due respect to your opinion, I find the notion that women "don't possess the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors" ignorant, incredibly offensive and sexist. I'll stand up to any man, any day, anytime with 100% confidence. All the women I know are able to as well.

I'm sorry that you find my opinion to be sexist. I am basing my views off of my own personal experience, of which I have had many, believe me, both with good and bad guys. Good for you for being able to stand up for yourself to any guy.

Please note that I said "most women," not all women, don't possess the strength to stand up to aggressive men. When one is in a position of being treated as being worthless in an aggressive way, I find it nearly impossible to stand up for myself other than to avoid the situation at all costs. There is no way I can come out un-harmed in such a situation, I just don't have the defenses. I know many women have the same experience, as demonstrated by the levels of domestic abuse of women in the world.

My comments above no longer are related to this forum, but are regarding my personal views on the place of "the feminine" in society. Just want to make that clear.

I think because of the experiences I have had I learned how to stand up for myself. I completely understand your avoidance of demeaning talk or behavior. I think we both know you can't change or reason with people like that, so it's best to just walk away and not get involved. No one would choose to put themselves in that position, but I can tell you I have lived the dynamics of abusive relationships and know how you can fall victim to the accompanying "brain fuck" of twisted, manipulative nonsense.

So, you think the best method for confronting aggressive behavior is by behaving aggressively yourself?

Absolutely not -- standing up for yourself doesnt require aggression, it requires strength of mind.

Exactly, it's completely ludicrous to say men are too aggressive for me to address, so I won't address them and will allow them to trample all over me. Aggression does not need to be met with aggression. You would be shocked at how many men well go from emboldened to sheepish if you call them out on their sexist behavior in a calm, collected, and non-aggressive manner. I'm going to refrain from commenting further on this thread in an attempt to remain civil, but I really can't believe that a woman has taken up the position you have jungleheart.

 

[polytrip]

I'm new to this community and in no way want to knock it. I know we have something very special here. 90-95% of the time I feel welcome, but some of the time I do feel it could be more "female friendly" in here. I'm traditional in the respect that I don't think men and women should be treated the same, I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors. If there could perhaps be a bit more gentlemanly behavior with regards to females here, and respect for our differences, I know it would make me feel more comfortable.

Generally, what I'm asking for is an extra bit of politeness and good manners that maybe you men feel it is okay to forgo when talking amongst yourself.

I think it would be a good thing if this was a more gender equal community, because it is always generally just difficult for someone to be so outnumbered. I think it has the effect of putting more pressure, or more of a spotlight, on the individual, if you will.

In what way do you feel gentlemanly behaviour is lacking here?

 

[Jungleheart]

I'm new to this community and in no way want to knock it. I know we have something very special here. 90-95% of the time I feel welcome, but some of the time I do feel it could be more "female friendly" in here. I'm traditional in the respect that I don't think men and women should be treated the same, I think women should be treated gently and with extra respect-- mainly because most of us just don't have the strength/stamina to stand up to aggressive male behaviors. If there could perhaps be a bit more gentlemanly behavior with regards to females here, and respect for our differences, I know it would make me feel more comfortable.

Generally, what I'm asking for is an extra bit of politeness and good manners that maybe you men feel it is okay to forgo when talking amongst yourself.

I think it would be a good thing if this was a more gender equal community, because it is always generally just difficult for someone to be so outnumbered. I think it has the effect of putting more pressure, or more of a spotlight, on the individual, if you will.

In what way do you feel gentlemanly behaviour is lacking here?

I will PM you because I don't want to make it public.

 

[The Traveler]

I will PM you because I don't want to make it public.

If someone is giving you trouble then PM me or one of the mods. The DMT-Nexus should be a warm and welcoming place for all who respectfully seek knowledge.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[۩]

Jungle's just mad 'cause we always bump antlers in the chat. Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with her if she wouldn't say things like selling ibogaine to heroin addicts without them knowing. I mean come on. You wonder why I have the attitude towards you? I'm sorry...I really am...but when someone says things like this, I react accordingly.

 

[Jungleheart]

Jungle's just mad 'cause we always bump antlers in the chat. Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with her if she wouldn't say things like selling ibogaine to heroin addicts without them knowing. I mean come on. You wonder why I have the attitude towards you? I'm sorry...I really am...but when someone says things like this, I react accordingly.

I'm sorry, but "I'm sorry...but" statements don't mean much to me.

 

[۩]

well you wonder why I have this "personal vendetta" against you. I wouldn't if you didn't say things like that. It's that simple.
Regardless if you're male or female, someone who says that is just out of their mind in my book.

 

[Jungleheart]

well you wonder why I have this "personal vendetta" against you. I wouldn't if you didn't say things like that. It's that simple.
Regardless if you're male or female, someone who says that is just out of their mind in my book.

I was being facetious.

edit: I think anyone reading the statement, "We should go give Iboga to all of the heroin addicts on Hastings ave in Vancouver," would see that.

 

[jamie]

Funny, you seem to jump all over her and other members in the chat half the time jsut for asking simple questions house. I see it being more an ego thing.

 

[۩]

Now you're lying jungleheart. Don't even try to fool me, I remember the conversation vividly.

You think it's funny, fractal?

I sure don't.

Opinions like this are reckless and absurd. [ya know, selling ibogaine as heroin...wtf?]

 

[spiceworm]

Now you're lying jungleheart. Don't even try to fool me, I remember the conversation vividly.

You think it's funny, fractal?

I sure don't.

Opinions like this are reckless and absurd. [ya know, selling ibogaine as heroin...wtf?]

Everything ive read from you has been heavy or negative. You are downright mean in chat. This worm humbly suggests you meditate on the meaning of respect and how it should be applied in your relationships to all humanity, but especially women. i am a man but my parents taught me well. i am a worm but i was not raised in a barn.

-spiceworm

 

[Jungleheart]

Now you're lying jungleheart. Don't even try to fool me, I remember the conversation vividly.

You think it's funny, fractal?

I sure don't.

Opinions like this are reckless and absurd. [ya know, selling ibogaine as heroin...wtf?]

The conversation was obviously intellectual/conceptual and not based in reality, since I obviously wasn't planning on doing it myself. Regardless, you could have taken the time to discuss it with me to see where I was coming from, or to inform me of why you thought I was wrong, instead of berating me.

I'm not planning on replying to this discussion again.

 

[Jungleheart]

Now you're lying jungleheart. Don't even try to fool me, I remember the conversation vividly.

You think it's funny, fractal?

I sure don't.

Opinions like this are reckless and absurd. [ya know, selling ibogaine as heroin...wtf?]

The conversation was obviously intellectual/conceptual and not based in reality, since I obviously wasn't planning on doing it myself. Regardless, you could have taken the time to discuss it with me to see where I was coming from, or to inform me of why you thought I was wrong, instead of berating me.

I'm not planning on replying to this discussion again.

 

[The Traveler]

Before this ends in a widespread battle I would like to ask all people involved to please stay polite. I'm sure there is a solution to this.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Luciapath]

This is an interesting thread. From lurking on here I have noticed that house sometimes has an arrogant streak - however, once this is realised, I think the onus is as much for anyone talking to him as himself to make adjustments. As a girl who has almost exclusively male friends, I can say from experience that I find dealing with this kind of male energy or whatever you want to call it not a matter of offence. Some guys will open doors for you and kiss you on the forehead, and some will treat you like one of them and not hold back - I think both stances can actually be equally respectful. I have many guy friends who will act differently towards other girls, being very nice to them, not responding when they are annoying, dumbing down their conversation by talking about girly topics, treating them a certain way when they're alone with her but not letting her meet their friends so that she doesn't get offended or whatever by what he's 'really' like - I actually find that kind of concession giving more disrespectful.