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Would you quit entheogens for your lover?

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Not exactly on the topic of quitting entheogens, but along similar lines...

The other day my girlfriend asked me to not smoalk weed when I'm around her. She said the "bloodshot eyes scared her". That's whatever, I can do it on my own time... fine. It's this next part that really grinds my gears. Then she said, "You're not the same person when you're high."

This is the same stereo-typical BS you hear from above the influence. But i wasn't quite sure how to respond. Do i act the same when I'm high as if I were sober? Of course not. But am I a different person... I wouldn't say so. Thoughts?
 
tigerstrike92 said:
Not exactly on the topic of quitting entheogens, but along similar lines...

The other day my girlfriend asked me to not smoalk weed when I'm around her. She said the "bloodshot eyes scared her". That's whatever, I can do it on my own time... fine. It's this next part that really grinds my gears. Then she said, "You're not the same person when you're high."

This is the same stereo-typical BS you hear from above the influence. But i wasn't quite sure how to respond. Do i act the same when I'm high as if I were sober? Of course not. But am I a different person... I wouldn't say so. Thoughts?
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With weed I'm a withdrawn quite person, so a different version from myself who probably isn't as fun and chatty. On some psychedelics I can feel more like myself than on weed, well low doses.
 
possibly it's a projection based on fear or dislike of your use of weed. Maybe it's just the wrong words - perhaps she doesn't enjoy the character traits weed emphasizes in you? In any case I suppose this is a request I could respect but to be honest it wouldn't sit well with me until I knew exactly what it was that was bothering her. Otherwise it would be a total turn-off for me every time I smoked. Plus isn't it like - there's an issue but instead of dealing with it, you choose to avoid it by only smoking away from her? To me this kind of thing would indicate that some kind of integration is necessary.

Try to talk it out maybe. See what's behind it, what part of the other person she doesn't like etc.
 
Would you DO entheogens for your lover?

I have no tolerance for closed minded anti-drug peoples. I mean if her brother OD'd on heroin when she was a kid I could understand where she was coming from. But you dont sound like a addict and i feel like alot of us here are more grounded then most of the population.

It sounds like shes completly giving into to the brainwashing anti-drug BS, theres probably no hope for her. If only you could get her to take a dose of psilocybin somehow you might be able to wipe out that brainwashing and start over fresh lol.
 
I would do entheogens everyday for my lover. But that's besides the point.

Yeah, I doubt i could ever get her to willing ingest psilocybin. She grew up in a very small town, small community, where the only acceptable drug is... **sigh** you guessed it, alcohol. But that's a completely different thread. Point is...

wish me luck.
 
My lover is my husband of nearly 23 years.

Yes, if it was very important to him and we talked it out, I would quit all entheo use for him. But, he would never ask that of me.

Yes, if it was entheogenic, I would be willing to sample a drug to please my husband. But again, he would never ask that of me.
 
i cant imagine i would ever share my life with a person that doesn't understand why i use these sacred plants and no lover that would understand would ever consider asking me to give them up. they would be asking me to not follow my truth.
for my lover to ask this of me would indicate they dont understand me and i would never be able to believe that they love me. they would only love parts of me and that wouldn't suffice.

at this age and point in my personal evolution i just don't waste time with relationships that i dont feel will go the distance. im quite happy and content being single. i dont need another person to make me feel complete. when i choose to have a partner its because i want to share myself and my life with that person. i cant just share some of me.

so i guess my answer is no. its not like being asked to stop smoking, its like asking someone to give up their own growth and development.
 
olympus mon said:
i dont need another person to make me feel complete. when i choose to have a partner its because i want to share myself and my life with that person
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Beautiful.
 
It's kind of funny... I have been in my relationship for 8 years. I had not even drank alcohol or 'done' anything else for 17 years when I felt a calling for LSD. Well after a long abstinence like that, your old connections for anything are basically gone so where do you turn. I looked into 'natural substance' and found this web site.

Anyway, my GF has not known me to be under the influence of anything. She hardly drinks, but like me has a past trying different thing like acid, smoking weed for years, etc in the long ago past. So We talked about my calling to try psychedelics again, and she's game too. And so started our spice explorations last year.

After various unsuccessful relationships where I tried to fit myself at times to the mould of the other person, I have decided that is a HUGE waste of time. I don't want to change anything about myself just to keep or attract a partner, unless I am really doing something that is really bad for ME. They need to like me for who I am. I am unwilling to contort myself around another's wishes and turn myself into a pretzel just to win their approval.
 
olympus mon said:
i cant imagine i would ever share my life with a person that doesn't understand why i use these sacred plants and no lover that would understand would ever consider asking me to give them up. they would be asking me to not follow my truth.
for my lover to ask this of me would indicate they dont understand me and i would never be able to believe that they love me. they would only love parts of me and that wouldn't suffice.
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^Yep, what Olympus said... I cant see wanting to be with someone so controlling as to ask me to change myself. If it was heroin or crack, I think they would be trying to save me from myself. With entheogens, the risk factors associated with said substances just aren't there. So, to ask me to stop shows not only a fair amount of arrogance, but ignorance also.
 
Bad news, my girlfriend broke up with me, mainly because of my cannabis use. (We never even discusses my other entheogen use i.e. salvia, lsa, aya, etc.)

good news - It would have never worked anyways, so better now than later. Also on the good news side, all of you are right. The ignorance is strangulating. I suppose i will just wait until the right lady comes along, one who would never want me to stop following "my truth", thanks Olympus. :)
 
the day you forget entheogens is the day you forfeit the greatest catalyst to personal and spiritual growth we have ever known, if anyone requires you retard yourself as such, do they really love you / are they in a position to be your partner (given their naivety)

peace love and light

my 5 year relationship ended when i got on a plane to go to peru and forget the life i had so selfishly fought for.
 
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