Wow, DMT Trip With No DMT...

[Death&Decay]

So this will probably sound a little crazy, actually a lot crazy, I just had about a 10 minute long extremely strong psychedelic experience that I could only compare to the things I experienced on DMT. The 10 minute or so long peak was followed by about a 30 minute comedown where I had some very strong auditory sensation and lesser and lesser visual one until I just now snapped myself out of it.

Here's the thing, I haven't had a session in probably over a year, and while I had nothing but absolutely amazing experiences on DMT, I decided to take a break from it and see if I could possibly have these experiences without it. I haven't been very successful though in producing that type of effect, until just now. Now, the visuals were not as intense, but trust me, it was every bit as impressive.

Anyways, I really don't want to write a long story, but I could literally write a book on this experience alone. The things I learned just now, unbelievable. It would make you guys laugh and cry, but in many ways if I told you what I learned from this you wouldn't believe me, so rather than focus on what was to me the biggest part of the experience, I would rather just focus on why this might of happened.

Unlike the DMT experience, I can still remember everything almost perfectly. At least for now anyways. Here is part of the reason why I think this just happened to me. Let me list my state of being before this happened if any of you care to read on

Iv'e been under a tremendous amount of stress the past few months over work, a death in my family and my own personal struggles with life, society and everything else. So anyways, wo is me right, well I also haven't been able to sleep much at all in about 3 almost 4 days now, which is partly due to the stress and personal issues. Anyways, needless to say I am already pretty loopy and sleep deprivation is known to cause hallucinations. However, this was almost immediately followed by a huge outburst of crying and release of emotions. I had just gotten off a 3 hour discussion with my boss about another coworkers problem and I just got so upset about all these problems and issues that I finally melted down and cried like a baby.

So I'll leave it at that. Possibly this accumulation of different natural states gave rise to a greater psychedelic experience. I have had problems sleeping in the past like this and never had something like this happen. Anyways, this shouldn't even be about me personally, but the experience itself and how it arose. I believe it just goes to show that we do not in fact need a foreign substance to experience this. It can without a doubt be reached through natural states, and it's something innate in all human life. It's what makes us all special, because we all have it.

PS, this is very long, so I don't really expect anyone to actually read it, but if you made it through to here, you must be interested. You can buy my book at 1-800-go fuck yourself.com... No i'm kidding, I'm just rambling trying to jot down my experience so I can relate back to it later and remind myself of it, and for anyone who might need a little inspiration.

 

[Handel]

Cool stuff! I'm very interested in what you've learned though! Especially since remembering after a DMT session is not easy, I'd like to read about the "lucid" knowledge you accumulated!

 

[Metanoia]

I'm also interested, especially after reading this:

The things I learned just now, unbelievable. It would make you guys laugh and cry...

Those are the stories I love coming on here and reading If you feel up to it eventually, I'm sure many others would like to read whatever you have to say.

I used to suffer from insomnia so I've had some really off the wall experiences from sleep deprivation. This was mostly before I started doing psychedelics, however. So they were strange and eerie, even full-fledged hallucinations, but I can't really liken them to something like the DMT state because I simply didn't have any frame of reference back then.

I thought of doing an experiment with sleep deprivation, fasting, and deep meditation. If I ever have a week off work I'm going to attempt it and document anything that happens. These states certainly can be reached without the use of psychedelics or other substances.

 

[sØrce]

Yeah, I very much am interested in this topic, it was a good read but left me wanting to hear it in detail and depth as well, so if you ever do post that, I'd be privileged to read it.

I'm not proud to say that I had a full-fledged trip for a few days from alcohol withdrawal. The dt's were being controlled by ambien mostly, So the hallucinations (which were full- fledged visions more or less) were not necessarily fearful, although some were.

Suffice it to say that most of what I saw was not actually there or taking place for a good while. I hallucinated of being able to travel through time and stick my head through a dimensional window into places like Japan and some kind of underground cavern where a Uranium and statistical experiment were taking place. When I could see the immediate vicinity in my typical reality, It was a major overlap. I saw stuff like a basketball player do a three point shot after taking a giant hit of dank nuggets on the television. He did it, he said, because of another player who slammed a beer and made a shot. He made the shot and everyone cheered haha. Then there was an ad just after that for a convenience store that sold glass pipes...

I thought the neuro-doctor was a shaman, burning incense around me and smudging me, when he was in the room I started chanting with my eyes closed and was whisked away to a field with pastel colored whirling vedic dancers and people inside costumes made of fruit.

I also "saw" I was in a dungeon, cats were jumping through a hole in the ceiling, and there were huge bugs that had lots of legs and long feelers, luckily they moved quietly and somehow I knew those were imaginary.

I saw very geometric morphing shapes, one was radially symmetrical and really beautiful, but also patterns in the floor and wavering motions to the venetian blinds.

There was one actual thing i thought was a hallucination but wasn't- the TV was on a meditation channel with music and morphing shapes, mostly radially symmetrical as well and I freaked and thought there was a vortex in the room. Someone had put it on and I woke up staring into it, I shut my eyes and winced as if it was hurting me.

Actually there was a bit of paranoia as some of my visions had a conspiracy-like thing going on, like I thought the doctor said "your problem is too much sex," Idk maybe he did say that. I thought some of the nurses were stealing morphine to sell, I even told the doctor when I knew he was a doctor and not a shaman haha.

Idk, I think you get the idea, I mention it only because I think the mechanism that causes hallucinations from alcohol withdrawal may be a way to understand natural hallucinations, like could be duplicated naturally without the idiocy and extreme detriment of binge drinking and I'd like to study it, if it hasn't been explored already...

Let me emphasize that NOBODY should attempt to duplicate this kind of hallucinating, it's borderline insanity at times, the consumption and withdrawals can both kill you. The feel of it was not all beauty and bliss (although at times there was so much beauty in the hallucinations that it made me cry in astonishment), but it did have a good kind of plot, which was basically healing myself out of mental chaos and alcohol sickness and counteracting total confusion with my mind as well, but by the time all was well it was only a mild trip feel. A few days later I was having synchronisity and major sensory enhancement for the better, like sun through the window being twice as bright, or walking over to the next room, saying hi to the person there and he is a pastor from my town who runs a substance abuse house for men. My spiritual ideas kind of lean towards buddhism but I believe in God, but I actually doubted that he was "placed there" for me to benefit from cuz im not comfortable with sober houses for men, esp. since I like substances hehe.

The depth of the trip was astounding, and the duration was like 3 days of hard tripping and 4 of coming down, although the second day I was completely out of the place and time. One of the biggest lessons to it was mindpower improving my state of being and my life. Faith and hope were pretty big in there too of course, I so much wanted to feel better.

That's my story, thanks for reading. I hope for all our sakes nobody ever drinks that much, and if you happen to, never try to detox at home, you can get hurt or die. Conveniently we know so many better ways to trip, and I'm also curious about the meditation/fast/sleep deprivation maybe with darkness retreat thrown in just to see where my mind will go. I get pretty good hallucinations when I've been up a few days as well, and some of the frame of mind and impression of a trip.

P.S. I think meditating to the point of no thought and thus egoless and reaching a "clearlight" experience of feeling that you are floating and infinite love would be a kind of trip that some believe is attainable but truly I've never known anyone to actually acheive that... I do believe it's possible, and extremely benificial, so maybe meditation is something I'll bring into my life fully as a pursuit of a wonderful goal.

 

[DeDao]

Yes, I am curious in this also.

Can you maybe go into more detail if possible? Was it an emotional experience for the most part? Physical? Sensory? The reason I ask is because I have had emotional based psychedelic experiences while sober. The same sort of empathy for the world and love for all. Or feeling the pain of a large amount of creatures and weeping for the earth in a sense.

I think this may be where we are all headed. Psychedelics show us something. I think we need to get to a point where we can remember and apply those things we have learned for the rest of our lives. We can't keep going back over and over and not expect some sort of draw back, known or unknown. That's just my opinion.

But yes, my self as well as others are very interested in your post about this. Maybe if you could give us a deeper understanding of the experience and help us know more what you mean. We may have had similar experiences but categorized them differently than you.

Thanks. Hope your problems in life loosen their grip.

 

[Death&Decay]

Hello everyone. I wrote a long post about all my experiences and what I think they mean and blah blah blah... But I know that no one will really read through it all and I feel like a long post just sounds like I am blabbing. It's been over a year since I wrote the original post here and a lot has changed for me. Over the past few months I have really began to have some powerful experiences without the use of DMT, so I hope all of you know that it can be had without any drugs at all. At this point I truly believe that DMT is a key, and it simply opens the door to what is already within us.

 

[Enoon]

My questions are:

Are these experiences reproduceable or are they spontaneous? Are they perhaps quirks of your mind, or do you have a technique that lets you have these experiences?

Do you think you could have had these experiences without the prior use of DMT?

Do you feel the same kind of positive after-effects from your no-DMT-trips as people do from DMT-trips?

 

[concombres]

Could you post a link to the report? Sounds like a very interesting read, long or not.

Ive had an experience with lsd i have not been able to repeat that was extremely similar to a dmt breakthrough that im almost positive was brought on by stress build up before & during the comeup.

 

[Death&Decay]

@Enoon
They are somewhat reproduce-able, though it doesn't always work. In a lot of ways, for me, it begins with a very distinct feeling. It's hard to describe what it feels like, but when I feel it I know that I can do it. However, without this feeling it doesn't seem to work. The feeling I am talking about is similar to that feeling immediately after you take a few hits of DMT. That feeling of anxiety and excitement, knowing you have crossed a line that you can not come back from, that brief feeling of uncertainty. Granted it's not nearly as powerful as having actually used DMT though. The way it works for me is by remembering that feeling, and sometimes when I do that I can trick my body into experiencing that feeling again.

As far as your second question, I'm not really sure. For me personally, I don't think that I would have been able to have these types of experiences without having first used DMT. I do think that it is possible though. Many people report similar experiences through meditation, and in a lot of ways I believe the two things to be synonymous with each other. With me however, I feel like without first having experienced through with DMT I wouldn't have been able to conjure these feelings.

Whether or not I am actually having legitimate experiences is hard to say. On one hand they are not as powerful and all encompassing as having used DMT. Unlike with DMT, these natural experiences only exist with my eyes closed. On the other hand though, the hallucinations with my eyes closed seem just about as powerful as those on DMT. They are every bit as bizarre and inspiring, but I can lose them easily if something distracts me or pulls me out of that state of mind.

I truly believe that we are capable of having these experiences naturally. It's just like dreaming, except your mind is still consciously aware. Normally your body would only dream during sleep, but it isn't sleep which produces the dreams. Just like it isn't DMT that produces the hallucinations. They are both keys that unlock something already within us. If I believe that, then I can also believe that there are other keys out there, like meditation.

 

[Sebastian]

To me it sounds like you finally processed your earlier DMT experiences, by remembering them finally you might have fully integrated them now, or at least fully seen them for what they where.
It's like all this time they were waiting to be processed, with all that happened to you lately they could no longer stay unseen, it was to much to hold inside.

Something like that, does that make any sense to you?