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wu zhu yu(evodia)extraction caried on from information thread

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im carrying this on from the thread on the information section...... so ive made a brew with the evodia fruit and all is ready for the extraction,just waiting on the naptha.....the thing is with mimosa ive never defated as i dont think mimosa needs it but while i was making the brew last night a layer of what looked like oil kept forming on top of the brew while cooking,now ive seen this happen before with most plants especially caapi but usuals when you stir it it dissapears in to the brew,but with the evodia brew the fat or oil layer brakes up when you stir it but does not dissapear.....im now thinking i will have to defat this brew before extracting,the only thing is im getting naptha from a friend and i dont have mutch to play with.....so here is what i think. plan a= i do the extraction without defating and worry about cleaning the spice afterwards.(something ive never done before) plan b= i use cheap lighter fuel like ronsonal,swan or zippo for the defating prosses leaving my good naptha for pulling the spice.(can this be done,would it harm the quality of my spice) plan c= i sit and wait and hope one of you more experienced extractors with knowledge about 5meo give me some tips on other things that could be done........so whats your thaughts guys,remember im doing this for the cuase,i think we really have to explore new herbs especially here in the uk because if the law ever stops us getting our herbs from abroad it does not really leave us with many options,i mean you hear how dmt is in everything and how the law could never stop it but ive been looking for dmt containing plants of the uk for a couple of years now and to be honest apart from phalaris wich is a bit sceptical,ther isnt any other known plants to use,ive heard of a few maybes like mistletoe or phalaris but we dont have any concrete evidence yet,so for the time being things are looking dim and if the law does put a stop to us buying our favourite herbs,which to be honest i personaly think will be sooner rather than later,then apart from the little illegal guys that grow in the september we will be up shit creek without a paddle.
 
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these are both verry good methods for this type of extraction but i think i will have to do the defat as this brew is really really oily.thats great news if white spirit is fine to use for the defating as i allready have a bottle for decorating.but still i would be verry impresed if the defating gets rid of all the oil in it as its really thick.....btw i drank between 7 and 12 grams worth of the brew,this should have been a little over the recomended dose,i knew it wouldnt be active but had to try anyway.i got no effect whatsoever,but man i had some wild crazy dreams last night,i wonder if it was anything to do with the brew as i dont usualy get nights like that.
 
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ok so swim wants to freeze precipitate this one as he is not sure how clean his naptha is.this will be swims first time doing a freeze precipitate but swim cant get hold of coffie filters.what can swim use to pour the frozen naptha thrue.any ideas welcome please.
 
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What swim did was let it freeze precip for a day or more if you want. Most of the spice will drop to the bottom, and since he knows his naptha leaves behind an oil residue, he just dumps excess frozen naptha into another jar, or hell back into your mix if you want, cuz theres probably a little spice left over there.

Anyway then take your glass pan or your bowl or what have you, and prop it up at an angle with a fan on it. This allows remaining naptha and oils to drain down into a run off jar as your spice gets thoroughly dried. Leaving behind almost no residue at all, even if your naptha isn't the cleanest.

FYI some naptha can leave behind a potentially harmful residue... Know your shit!!
 
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thanks for the advice kushmaster.swims really only doing this as an experiment so swim wont be to bothered if swim ends up throwing the end product away,swim really just wants to know if this will work or not.
 
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well swim got 0 yeild from the freeze,if thers any spice in it then the freezer must not have been cold enough.swim will try evaporating the second pull and see what happens,in the meantime swim has put his first pull back in to the solution.
 
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evaporation complete.althow it was only 50ml naptha that has to be the quickest evaporation swim has seen.the result was a tiny(maybe about 1/4 to 1/2 the size of a match head)piece of what could be crystals,but its far to small to be sure.if that was mimosa swim was extracting from then he is sure the dish would have been full of crystals,so swim thinks that the evodia is no use for spice unless maybe it could be done in another way.swim will try evaporating the first pull just to be sure that its not all in ther but he is not holding mutch hope.
 
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Nah that seems about right for just a 50 mil naptha pull. With the look of the size of those jars you can pull a lot more. But yeah thats about what swim got too. He used 30 mil naptha pulls. But did it 4 or 5 times, i cant remember. Until it wouldn't give anymore up. Swim surprised himself when he extracted it. cuz he didn't really expect it to work, (well he had his doubts) thats is until he tried it. And sure enough... it worked. Its pretty damn potent shit.
 
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KUSHMASTER said:
Well whatever works best for you. With grasses like that your gonna wanna probly do an A/B extraction. Grasses NEED to be defatted. In case you didn't already know:) Good luck!
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I would suggest you try another pull with a different solvent before you give up; naphtha doesn't have great pulling power- a property exploited in mimosa extractions- and I think the oilyness of your starting material could well be hampering your pulls. Toluene or xylene would be worth a tickle if you've got them laying around, or -not wanting to throw good money after bad- a pull with white spirit; pulls alot more oils than naphtha:)
 
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fourthripley said:
KUSHMASTER said:
Well whatever works best for you. With grasses like that your gonna wanna probly do an A/B extraction. Grasses NEED to be defatted. In case you didn't already know:) Good luck!
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I would suggest you try another pull with a different solvent before you give up; naphtha doesn't have great pulling power- a property exploited in mimosa extractions- and I think the oilyness of your starting material could well be hampering your pulls. Toluene or xylene would be worth a tickle if you've got them laying around, or -not wanting to throw good money after bad- a pull with white spirit; pulls alot more oils than naphtha:)
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as swims really only extracting from this herb for educational purposes and doesnt mind throwing the end product away swim says he will give it another go with the white spirit.swim done 2 naptha defats before basifying but to be honest swim does not think it really made any impact on shifting the oil from it.its a pitty swim has no digi camera but one thing he says was defferant than when extracting from mimosa is that when the naptha was added the main solution below the naptha layer split in two to form what looked like a big emulsion,but this could not have been an emulsion as it was still ther when swim took the same amount of naptha back out.
 
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