ello gentlemen. my friend was having difficulty with crystals not falling out of the naptha. He sees white buildup on the bottom of the jars in the freezer, but everytime he tries to pour them off none of them stick or stay clustered, they all get poured with the solvent. He thinks pouring them through a filter would be a bad idea as hes had bad experience before. hes tried freezing it longer, seperating the bottom portion of naptha containing the mysterious whiteness and freezing again, but this has also not worked. maybe this freezer isnt cold enough? maybe theres water in the solvent? ideas? tips? tricks?
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xtals not falling out of naptha
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maybe the solvent is not saturated enough.. let it evaporate some more, maybe to half the volume, and then stick it in the freezer again
ok look..
Im gonna use some purely imaginary numbers, forget about the numbers but understand the concept:
lets say that 100ml of the solvent you´re using (im gonna assume its naphtha, but doesnt matter) at room temperature can dissolve 1g of dmt.. So when you stick it in the frezer, the solvent at freezing temperature lowers its dissolving capabilities, so it only dissolves less than that, let´s say maybe half of that, so 0.5grams.. So this means that the other 0,5g that were inside of it will precipitate (stick to the bottom or sides of container, or float in the solvent, whatever).
but notice that if you throw that solvent away and only keep what´s precipitated, you will have wasted half of the dmt which will still be dissolved in the solvent!
so if you before sticking in the freezer, evaporate the solvent-with-dmt to maybe half the amount (so in this example, 50ml), then this means that once you stick it in the freezer, it will be able to hold only 0.25g of dmt.. So this means that 75% of the dmt will be precipitating, instead of 50% like before...
when I said ´its not saturated enough´, I meant that it had too much solvent for little dmt, so even at freezing temperatures some wont be precipitated.. Saturated would mean there is the maximum amount of dmt a solvent can hold... Any less solvent (or more dmt) wont be dissolved, it will start precipitating.
It´s like if you add salt to water.. Add some salt, it dissolves.. keep adding salt, at some point it doesnt dissolve anymore, the salt just falls to the bottom because the water has become saturated with salt..
Now the point is, you dont have to worry about pre-evaporating ´too much´, before sticking in the freezer.. The most that will happen is that crystals will start forming even before you stick it in the freezer, which is no problem.. So its better, when you are gonna put the solvent in the freezer, to have it first evaporate to a smaller amount first, which will guarantee more of the dmt will precipitate.
Im gonna use some purely imaginary numbers, forget about the numbers but understand the concept:
lets say that 100ml of the solvent you´re using (im gonna assume its naphtha, but doesnt matter) at room temperature can dissolve 1g of dmt.. So when you stick it in the frezer, the solvent at freezing temperature lowers its dissolving capabilities, so it only dissolves less than that, let´s say maybe half of that, so 0.5grams.. So this means that the other 0,5g that were inside of it will precipitate (stick to the bottom or sides of container, or float in the solvent, whatever).
but notice that if you throw that solvent away and only keep what´s precipitated, you will have wasted half of the dmt which will still be dissolved in the solvent!
so if you before sticking in the freezer, evaporate the solvent-with-dmt to maybe half the amount (so in this example, 50ml), then this means that once you stick it in the freezer, it will be able to hold only 0.25g of dmt.. So this means that 75% of the dmt will be precipitating, instead of 50% like before...
when I said ´its not saturated enough´, I meant that it had too much solvent for little dmt, so even at freezing temperatures some wont be precipitated.. Saturated would mean there is the maximum amount of dmt a solvent can hold... Any less solvent (or more dmt) wont be dissolved, it will start precipitating.
It´s like if you add salt to water.. Add some salt, it dissolves.. keep adding salt, at some point it doesnt dissolve anymore, the salt just falls to the bottom because the water has become saturated with salt..
Now the point is, you dont have to worry about pre-evaporating ´too much´, before sticking in the freezer.. The most that will happen is that crystals will start forming even before you stick it in the freezer, which is no problem.. So its better, when you are gonna put the solvent in the freezer, to have it first evaporate to a smaller amount first, which will guarantee more of the dmt will precipitate.
dont warm naphtha and evap it... Evaporating always yields less pure products than freeze precipitating.. I would advice you just letting it evaporate at room temperature until its a small amount, then sticking in the freezer.
btw, it wont harm you passing the solvent through a filter after taking it out of the freezer.. if there is any floating dmt that is not stuck to the sides/bottom, it will stay on top of the filter, so you can save it.. Also, this naphtha after you have freeze precipitated can be re-used (putting back into the mimosa mixture, or just keeping it in a bottle for next time)
btw, it wont harm you passing the solvent through a filter after taking it out of the freezer.. if there is any floating dmt that is not stuck to the sides/bottom, it will stay on top of the filter, so you can save it.. Also, this naphtha after you have freeze precipitated can be re-used (putting back into the mimosa mixture, or just keeping it in a bottle for next time)
I ran into my friend again and we got to talking, and of course, the conversation turned to his project. He said he bastered up the top layer of naptha off the frozen jar leaving some naptha and most of the white goo behind, he then evaporated this 100-200mls(?) and scraped the residue it left out of the pan. this residue was a yellow/brownish oil that woulndt harden or dry after a few nights drying. he tried smoking this oil and found it fairly inactive. weird? he thinks he should have dried some of the naptha he was using before he began this. (lowes vm+p naptha?). maybe the naptha is just saturated with inactive oils MHRB has in it? maybe a small amount of water? meh.
put this oil in a small container (like a shot glass).. then add a minimum amount of naphtha (maybe 25ml for each gram of product.. or if you cant guess the amount, then just add very little naphtha and if you need more you can add later).. Then boil some water (dont have naphtha standing near the fire obviously)..
then turn off the fire.. wait for the water to cool down a bit, and touch with the bottom of the glass that has the little naphtha+oily substance, in the hot water (without letting water go in the container).. This will heat up the naphtha and this oil, and it will redissolve in this naphtha after a minute or two.. You can move the glass a bit in circular motions to help dissolving... Most likely a puddle of dark red/orange/brown goo will stay undissolved on the bottom.. So now separate the naphtha from this goo, putting the naphtha in another container.. Then add another tiny little bit of naphtha (maybe another 5ml), also heat a bit, separate this 5ml and put it together with the other 25ml you had separated before... Leave this goo, you can throw it away.. The cleaner naphthas now can be put in the fridge for freeze precipitating
remember, evaporating always yields less pure products.. Many times it leaves these oils that dont crystalize.. Freeze precipitate is much better
then turn off the fire.. wait for the water to cool down a bit, and touch with the bottom of the glass that has the little naphtha+oily substance, in the hot water (without letting water go in the container).. This will heat up the naphtha and this oil, and it will redissolve in this naphtha after a minute or two.. You can move the glass a bit in circular motions to help dissolving... Most likely a puddle of dark red/orange/brown goo will stay undissolved on the bottom.. So now separate the naphtha from this goo, putting the naphtha in another container.. Then add another tiny little bit of naphtha (maybe another 5ml), also heat a bit, separate this 5ml and put it together with the other 25ml you had separated before... Leave this goo, you can throw it away.. The cleaner naphthas now can be put in the fridge for freeze precipitating
remember, evaporating always yields less pure products.. Many times it leaves these oils that dont crystalize.. Freeze precipitate is much better