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ShaggyK

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Good evening Nexians!

SWIM is going to be receiving their MHRB shipment soon and was looking into a few different ways to go about SWIMs first extraction and would like a few pointers..

SWIM was thinking the standard STB tek to begin with - (1g MHRB:1g Lye:15ml water)

Then a xylene extraction to get all the goodies that naptha leaves behind.

Now at this point, SWIM's not sure where to go from here. SWIM was thinking of adding vinegar to the spice saturated xylene to pull the freebase and convert it to the water-soluble acetate salt.
SWIM was thinking of acetate for two reasons:
1) vinegar is quite easy to find.
2) SWIM heard that the acetate salt is unstable and becomes a freebase when thoroughly dried.
If 2 is true, then SWIM believe this is the easiest way for SWIM to go about the extraction.

If not, then SWIM will start looking for fumaric acid. Or perhaps someone can recommend an easy way to convert acetate to freebase.

Basically, SWIM is trying to use easy-to-find ingredients and a relatively simple extraction process. Help SWIM find the perfect extraction!
 
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It appears to me SWIY plans to do an Acid/Base extraction in almost reverse order. SWIY wants to go straight to base, which forms freebase DMT from the DMT-Tannate as it is naturally found in the MHRB. (this is not confirmed, it may some other salt of DMT). From there SWIY have to use SWIY's solvent that absorbs the alkaloids, leaving behind the plant matter, then freeze the solvent lowering the solubility toward zero which causes the DMT to crystallize out. Or evaporate, as the solvent is very volatile and will evap away, while the DMT will stay in the bowl/tray.

The easiest way to convert DMT-Acetate to freebase is by raising the aqueous DMT-Acetate's pH to 12-14 using SWIY's lye. If SWIY use Xylene as their solvent, SWIY will create what is called "Jimjam." It is seen as the total alkaloid profile of MHRB, as in N,N-DMT plus other (possibly unwanted for you) alkaloids. Only solvents like Naptha and Heptane will leave out the 'dark DMT' or 'jungle spice.'

(I'm sorry I somehow missed the part where SWIY stated they wanted the full alk profile. Disregard the xylene bit. It seems I posted more information than you needed, apologies if that was bothersome)

I'm confused by SWIY's intention because what SWIY are talking about doing is taking the DMT-Tannate, converting it to freebase, pouring in xylene to separate out the plant matter from the now freebase DMT, then re-salting that freebase DMT with vinegar. If SWIY re-salts the DMT SWIY will just have to make the DMT-Acetate basic again to get the freebase (smokable DMT). If I confuse SWIY in any way I apologize, I am only trying to help SWIY. I believe that process of re-salting is referred to as an 'acid wash.' It is a approach used to purify freebase DMT in many teks. For example the Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone (FASA) tek can be used just to purify freebase DMT, by re-sating the freebase DMT to DMT-Fumarate then basifying (not a word, but oh well) it back to freebase.

SWIY can take a look at this tutorial,

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me wiki.dmt-nexus.me
SWIY may use lye in replacement of Lime (Calcium Hydroxide) in this tutorial. Lye is avoided purely for its caustic, hazardous properties, not because Lime improves yields versus Lye or anything of that sort.

Edit: DMT-Acetate turning to freebase when dried does not sound logical to this Nexian. I am uncertain however and by no means claim to know the answer.
 
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You are right about the beginning. Standard STB and pull with xylene.
SWIM will then separate the xylene from the lye-mimosa soup.
Now with the spicey xylene, SWIM intends on salting the freebase from the xylene, using normal 5% vinegar. This should, in theory, pull the DMT from the xylene and convert it to an alkaloidal acetate and water soup. (SWIM wasn't planning on freezing or evapping the NP solvent due to smell issues). SWIM would then remove the xylene, leaving the acetate water behind.

From there, SWIM was hoping that lightly heating and evapping the vinegar would result in a relatively clean freebase product.
If that is not the case, then SWIM would either:

1)Find another, hopefully easy, way to convert the acetate to freebase
2)Use fumaric acid as the salt (Does FASW work with Xylene? SWIM was trying to avoid using acetone due to having to dry it with epsom salts. More than SWIM cares to do their first time.)
3)Just use good ole' naptha and freeze precip.

I know it seems rather illogical for the acetate to freebase when dried, but SWIM recalls reading that is the case but fully accepts the reality that it's not.

So as a recap, this theoretical tek assumes the following principles apply:
1)Vineger will salt the spice out of the xylene; and
2)Drying the acetate thoroughly with heat will freebase the spice.

Hopefully SWIM has clarified their intentions!

Edit:
After a fair bit of research, it seems that the acetic acid flashpoint is 39C. According to q21's results, I believe this tek should work! Heating dmt acetate does convert it to freebase.

I'll post SWIM's results within the coming weeks for anyone that's interested.
 
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Q21Q21's thread on DMT-Acetate to freebase using heat. *PROOF* Freebasing acetates with only heat (to white crystals *pic*) - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
This approach is less than ideal, but does work.

Since smell is the reason for the extra steps, try to locate a jug of D-limonene. Limonene will pull the full spectrum and it smells like oranges. Or SWIY could drive/bike/walk with SWIY's bottle of Jimjam saturated Xylene or N-N,DMT saturated Naptha/Heptane to an open area and leave it to evaporate. Take a plastic bag & rubber band, or tin foil, etc, place it over the mouth of the container to keep particulates out and poke some ventilation holes for the solvent to evaporate through. If smelling up a freezer is an issue, you can always get a cooler and fill it with dry ice. It runs very cheap in my area, a dollar a pound.

Good luck, I am curious what yields you will get with the DMT-acetate heat to freebase method.
 
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SWIM came across a potential problem with the acetate conversion having to do with store-bought white vinegar being contaminated with other substances, possibly sugar.

SWIM tells me he will try to run a few different brands through evap tests to find the purest one and decide what to do from there. If someone could refer SWIM to a safe lab-grade acetic acid vendor, that would be fantastic too.

Any input would be appreciated!

On second thought, perhaps washing the gooey mess with distilled water will extract the impurities and leave the insoluble freebase as a filterable substance.
SWIM can't wait to start experimenting :d
 
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1 Litre 99% purity Glacial Acetic Acid is sold on Ebay for around 20 dollars. If you look at that term on Google shopping on the 3rd entry, a biodiesel supply company, SWIY will find they carry many chemicals SWIY may find useful.
 
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Carrierwave said:
1 Litre 99% purity Glacial Acetic Acid is sold on Ebay for around 20 dollars. If you look at that term on Google shopping on the 3rd entry, a biodiesel supply company, SWIY will find they carry many chemicals SWIY may find useful.
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Nice find!
SWIM is somewhat skeptical of the purity of a $20 bottle of this, though. Also, according to Erowid, acetic anhydride is suspicious (used to create a nasty opiate). Can you vouch for the legitimacy of this biodeisel company?
Watched Chemicals

Considering SWIM recently ordered MHRB, they are worried of being noticed.
 
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I see no reason to be skeptical of the purity. They provide a COA for each chemical. When you find the correct page click the COA button. I have no personal experience with their products so I cannot vouch. You could purchase it from a lab chemical supply company, but I personally wouldn't. Acetic anhydride is a different, more expensive chemical used to make heroin.
 
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I suppose I had anyhdride confused with anhydrous, which would be pure acetic acid. Thanks for the help Carrier!

SWIM tells me that pictures of the extraction should be up within the next few weeks!

If the opportunity presents itself, SWIM will try to do naptha pulls to compare the yield.
 
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