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Your Thoughts about Hyperspace Entities

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Interesting question indeed!

I think that on an individual scale there is much more value to what these meetings may teach us, than if they are beings with an autonomous existence or not. I mean, that you can even have an experience of them indicates that they do in fact exist on some plane or another. If they are a product of my consciousness in that spesific moment or beings from another universe etc is impossible to say unless you could somewhat perform some clinical studies that supports either of the statements. My own opinion of the matter is that they are a product of my own consciousness. But that does not make it any more or less real, this just indicates that they are representing different aspects of ourselves, and that meeting them could be of magnificent value for us, and that the messages packed into these experiences are really important. We too are only temporarily entities or energy states existing on the expense of other lower and higher systems as a friend of mine once said.

No matter where they do come from these travels are a fucking wonder that cannot be explained away as being simple fantasies or something like that. We can choose to explain the experiences through for example a chemical perspective, or a neurological one, but that does not explain the experience itself. In the same way science to this day cannot explain how organized matter can create consciousness and subjective experiences of reality, so the DMT experience is no easier nut to crack. These are really big questions for us, and it just fills me with so much awe and wonder of what we're really apart of here.
 
obliguhl said:
@Morphane
How about angels? Maybe the entitys are angels? My friend also had contact with a very godly beeing and it felt indeed like the christian god. Not that I'm a christian, I just guess that our cultural programing plays an important role. Why don't you let god guide you instead of making hasty judgements?
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Yes, I think they are angels, though probably fallen ones. But I am aware of some encounters that seem benevolent. I'm most suspicious about the adoration people have for regularly encountered spirits, like the Salvia goddess some describe. A true angel would be mindful to direct worship to God, not accept it for herself.

I've not made any hasty judgements - I've been pondering this carefully for awhile. I feel God is guiding me, and encouraging me to pursue spirituality without the use of mind altering chemicals.
 
elofer, obliguhl,

Thank you for your kind observations. Yes, perhaps I have some work to do on my own assumptions before I am ready to receive more from hyperspace.


Morphane,

I respect your position. I managed to read 75% of the Opticuswrangler's descriptions text which you linked to before I began to feel quite ill. I feel that I would like to remove that from my consciousness now. Perhaps I am too sensitive. Having read what I did though has given me a greater understanding of your position. I do see what you mean.
 
Metatron said:
What are some of your thoughts about Hyperspace entities? Whether or not you've encountered any, I'd like to hear your theories about them. Do you believe that they have an autonomous existence in another dimension? Do they come into existence seconds before you encounter them? Do you believe that they are merely the product of your subconscious imagination or perhaps even the imagination of the Universe?
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Haven´t You heard? They are the Ancestors.
 
As of right now, I believe that the entities one encounters in Hyperspace can be divided into three categories. I believe that some of these entities do in fact have an autonomous existence separate from one's own consciousness and perception. I believe that some of these entities are actually "puppets" used as an intermediary communicator between the Universe or higher beings and the Hyperspace visitor. I also believe that some of these entities are actually one's personal demons that exist within the subconscious mind of the Hyperspace traveler. These inner demons are anthropomorphized into an independent entity in an attempt to literally illustrate the existence of these inner demons to the Hyperspace visitor.
 
why believe?
"I'll never get a distant shot
Heard vessper pure
I never want to see your face
Until the word is made flesh
You'd better ask Metatron
Those flowers that withered away
In the pages of your book
For one day they won't block your route"
dont forget the AI
 
۩ said:
why believe?
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Good question. I suppose for the most part I just accept Hyperspace as an ineffable universal enigma. However I still try to gain some insight into these experiences to better integrate them into my life.
 
MORPHANE I have a few questions on this subject first of all I feel that your fath would be greatlty changed by the use of the spice, A chemical which your god put inside of you already...
The god you refer to has been the most destructive force/idea that has ever been in our history, caused the greatest cultural genocide and attrocity and still is.....why would anyone still worship that??

and my second question which I feel MANY here will undersand is: why would a omnipitent all powerfull all knowing god require worship????????? wtf really if you think about this in terms of actual higher conciousness that is a sight that your god is infantile and egotistical in the EXTREME, not to mention sadistic in the extreme..
ohh but he loves us..yeah right! I have been raised in the christian faith as well and have read the bible through a couple of times...I just can't understand why something so horrible is so accepted
 
Was just wondering the same as elofer. I find it... hard to believe that someone can have a monotheistic perspective of reality after smoking the spice or doing other psychedelics (or have you not done any of these things?). I know myself, because I had a notion of God like being some kind of father figure controlling the universe before I started experimenting with my own mind. I didn't really believe this on a personal scale but this is what I thought of the matter when it got raised in my mind. No wonder, because I do live in western culture. But anyway, as I tried psychedelics and were doing a lot of thought experimenting, as well as reading more about biology, physics, chemics and spirituality I found this notion to be totally unlogic and utterly wrong. For me Christianity, Islam and Judaism (the monotheistic, western religions) are one of the things that contribute to luring us away from what is right in front of our eyes (and behind them for that matter).

With that said I respect your beliefs, and I do NOT mean to step on your toes.
 
Elofer, Citta:

I doubt my faith would change, as I have extensively studied psychedelic experiences as found at this site and other places, mystical experiences (perennial philosophy), and eastern religion in general. I appreciate that an intellectual understanding of these experiences is no comparison to the thing itself, but feel an imperative for patience. I believe there are valuable lessons to be learned in this flesh; in this plane of existence.

I understand your disgust for the monotheistic religions. I too found them impossible, that is why I began exploring eastern mysticism. Yet I found Buddhism and the like incomplete. I desired a relationship with God, not just a view of God as impersonal Tao, or that I was God/Buddha. Upon reviewing my Christian faith, I discovered a way hidden to me before. As I read the Gospel, a gestalten revelation illuminated my perception. The Christian faith is misunderstood by most, and has been used throughout history as a force for evil. The message of Jesus has been obscured, twisted, and corrupted by a spiritual enemy, but this just makes the cosmic game of hide and seek all the more breathtaking.

God doesn't require worship. God is hidden from the world, so that only those who seek, find. However, upon finding God to be love personified, reverence becomes the highest pleasure. Not worshipping Him would be like attending a great feast without an ability to eat. I would suggest that your image of God, or the one you have inherited, is that which is immature.

I have my doubts about the psychedelic experience. At worst, I think it could be dangerous. At best, frustrating - like a bungee jump into paradise. However, if the taste of paradise encourages one to seek self-transformation the old fashioned way, which once earnt and learnt, can never be taken away or forgotten, then maybe there is some merit.
 
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WOW
Im gonna get into this one!!!
Read only a few pages so far but this guy is onto something!

At 1 point he talks about:

'Genetic researcher Richard Dawkins has suggested that information structures may be self-replicating through the behavior of language users. He suggests that discrete idea complexes may behave autonomously, seeking to propagate themselves. This virus-like model of information theory is called memetics. The symbiont appears somehow encoded within memes, much in the way our own physical blueprint is encoded within DNA. The creature exists as an information structure; if it is real, it provides a different perspective on ideas such as stichtomancy and numerology, suggesting a mechanism. All physical reality may be expressed as code, which is the structural matrix of the organism’s tensional form.'

Interesting. For as far as i understand, this guy is talking about an organism (entity) that consists of abstract information?

Did some research (surfing) on memetics. Bumped into this TED talk by Dan Dennett:
 
wow morphane your really really right..reading about an experience canot possibly prepare you for what you will experience..no matter if you read 20 books on the subject, not even close, and no it isn't my relationship/view of god is immature. In fact I have delved into all the paths far deeper than anyone I have ever known, I began pursuing this as a very young kid, I felt called, and ON MY OWN began studying every day there is not a day that goes by that I don't think on this subject or meditate/see what you refer to as god. it is not my view that is imature..I haven't yet told you my view of god dude!!! I simply stated a historic fact...that a monotheiistic god is a sadistic fuck! and any christian who can't see that is IN DENIAL.
MORPHANE: if someone stole your identity and then preceded to kill off races of people and diversity in general wouldn't you feel compeled to stop that?? but an "all powerfull all loving GOD" choses to do nothing. so it is my conclusion that its all part of his plan, afterall it was his "son" who said that the devil will come cloaked in beauty and light...I feel that he was actually warning us about himself.. cause as soon as the guy was nailed to a stick there was a wave of attrocity eminating from him like has never been seen in history.
 
elofer said:
wow morphane your really really right..reading about an experience canot possibly prepare you for what you will experience..no matter if you read 20 books on the subject, not even close, and no it isn't my relationship/view of god is immature. In fact I have delved into all the paths far deeper than anyone I have ever known, I began pursuing this as a very young kid, I felt called, and ON MY OWN began studying every day there is not a day that goes by that I don't think on this subject or meditate/see what you refer to as god. it is not my view that is imature..I haven't yet told you my view of god dude!!! I simply stated a historic fact...that a monotheiistic god is a sadistic fuck! and any christian who can't see that is IN DENIAL.
MORPHANE: if someone stole your identity and then preceded to kill off races of people and diversity in general wouldn't you feel compeled to stop that?? but an "all powerfull all loving GOD" choses to do nothing. so it is my conclusion that its all part of his plan, afterall it was his "son" who said that the devil will come cloaked in beauty and light...I feel that he was actually warning us about himself.. cause as soon as the guy was nailed to a stick there was a wave of attrocity eminating from him like has never been seen in history.
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What does all the misery of this world matter if souls come to know God? Rather than weakling children who receive their inheritance on a silver platter, God requires us to work and grow strong, like salmon returning to the place of their birth against great adversity. This world is not our home, it is school. We are here to learn or else be recycled.
 
it matters because the IDEA of god is the cause of a large percentage of that misery. god makes you weak, and ignorant and unable to grasp the potential 'god' gave to you but made so hard to obtain..be a sheep if ya want mon.

I do however agree that: "This world is not our home, it is school. We are here to learn or else be recycled."
indeed just imagine if instead of developing technology...we developed the increadible untaped potential of our minds, not to mention the potential we would have as a unified being aware of that unity intimatly...the sum would be far and away greater than its parts.
 
elofer said:
it matters because the IDEA of god is the cause of a large percentage of that misery. god makes you weak, and ignorant and unable to grasp the potential 'god' gave to you but made so hard to obtain..be a sheep if ya want mon.
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That's the double edged sword. What is liberation for one, is enslavement for another. The attitude of the heart is the deciding matter. If one is willing to let go of self, let go of this illusion with its earthly games, one finds God. If one is not willing to let go, but wants to continue in darkness, perversion of the truth results.
 
Morphane:

I must ask you something else: What do you consider God to be? Or maybe I should ask different; Are you and God separate? And why Christianity? I think it is interesting speaking to you, as I do have great interest in religion as well as the psychology of it. So I mean no harm in my questions, and I hope that you don't feel misplaced. If so then please tell me, and we shall lay this discussion dead =)

And I must mention that reading about mystical experiences is one thing, but having one is a whole other game. To try to understand these experiences without having them yourself is like trying to understand what love is when you've never felt it. You can read all you want, but it doesn't even come close to the real thing. I think that if you really had a full blown mystical experience your beliefs would've been greatly challenged
 
Citta said:
Morphane:

I must ask you something else: What do you consider God to be? Or maybe I should ask different; Are you and God separate? And why Christianity? I think it is interesting speaking to you, as I do have great interest in religion as well as the psychology of it. So I mean no harm in my questions, and I hope that you don't feel misplaced. If so then please tell me, and we shall lay this discussion dead =)

And I must mention that reading about mystical experiences is one thing, but having one is a whole other game. To try to understand these experiences without having them yourself is like trying to understand what love is when you've never felt it. You can read all you want, but it doesn't even come close to the real thing. I think that if you really had a full blown mystical experience your beliefs would've been greatly challenged
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I don't know what God is. The I Am, the Divine Ground of Being, the Way. Supreme Intelligence. Love personified. As Rick Strassman put it: "unchanging, unborn, undying, and uncreated reality". Absolute consciousness.

We are all unfolded from God, so physically there is no separation from Him. We move inside Him like fish through water. Our perception is separate however - those of us without mystical experience anyway. I think this virtual reality we inhabit allows an illusion of separation, which we can do with as we please.

Christianity, I feel, offers the soul an opportunity to experience God objectively in an eternal sense, not just as a temporary node of consciousness. Through Jesus, one is drawn into a relationship with the Father. Otherwise the soul gets purified and recycled. Whether this means final reintegration back into God consciousness, endless opportunities through reincarnation, or some form of terrible destruction - I don't know.

I think the purpose of creation is to bring separate beings into a loving relationship with God and other beings.
 
I am sorry Morphane but, while everyone else's opinion in this matter seems to be expressed from personal experience and reflective thinking, yours appears to be filled with fairy tales. For example:

"I don't know what God is. The I Am, the Divine Ground of Being, the Way. Supreme Intelligence. Love personified. As Rick Strassman put it: "unchanging, unborn, undying, and uncreated reality". Absolute consciousness."

What does that mean, it's a bunch of words saying nothing; an excuse.


"We are all unfolded from God, so physically there is no separation from Him. We move inside Him like fish through water. Our perception is separate however - those of us without mystical experience anyway. I think this virtual reality we inhabit allows an illusion of separation, which we can do with as we please."

Why do you think this, what experience leads you to this conclusion? Reading?

"Christianity, I feel, offers the soul an opportunity to experience God objectively in an eternal sense, not just as a temporary node of consciousness. Through Jesus, one is drawn into a relationship with the Father."

Personally I outgrew the need for a father many decades ago (although I still love and respect my own children's grandfather).

"Otherwise the soul gets purified and recycled. Whether this means final reintegration back into God consciousness, endless opportunities through reincarnation, or some form of terrible destruction - I don't know"

"I don't know" ... so why do you write this; to excuse poor thinking?

Forgive me for being rather harsh in this criticism but you seem to be on the path to nowhere, my friend.

OF
 
Morphane said:
like a bungee jump into paradise
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This is the best introductory phrase on Spice I've seen.


It's very easy to get frustrated and unintentionally personal with this god talk.

We need to be careful. I've lost two girlfriends because I didn't know how to properly handle my philosophy degree.

To continue this excellent god debate I highly recommend all participants first define their definition of god prior to each post and argument. This ought make the conversation more fruitful and constructive.


I greatly look forward to this Opti and I article and will share my thoughts shortly...
 
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